Myonly concern is the performance of the Core-M chip up against the Core i5/i7 chips. I am also yet to be convinced that "fanless" designs really work (ie too much throttling to control the thermals).
What would really be revolutionary is if they had the Core-M chip in the tablet part, but put a Broadwell Core i5/i7 (with fan) in the Keyboard part so that when docked with the keyboard, it switched to the more high performance CPU.
For the z20t charging $500 for the keyboard dock is ridiculous. The z20t's CPU is worse. It's all good to say you get longer battery life, but not at the cost of significant raw processing power. The dock looks to be a big improvement on the z10t. Has more range of movement which the z10t lacked.
Actually the Z20t feels considerably better made than the surface in my opinion and due to its sevicability, would recommend it over the surface any time (that's why it comes standard with 3 year warranty and the surface is only 1 year)
The Z20t is smaller and lighter and the pen fits inside the screen which has the superior wacom digitizer. Full size ports on the keyboard/second battery also enhances its superiority along with the 16 hour total battery life.
Intel Core M 5Y51
4GB RAM
128GB SSD
Wifi + 4G LTE
Tablet + Keyboard Dock + Charger + Big and small/stowaway Wacom pens with spare nibs and nib removal tool. Something to note, all of the included nibs for the big pen are the hard felt type, that feels like writing with a pencil on paper, not the usual smooth and slippery hard plastic nibs that usually come with Wacom tablet PC pens. The small pen uses a hard plastic nib though.
Still on Windows 8.1 here, out of the box. I also couldn't connect to Cellular, until I tried removing the stock Sierra Wireless LTE drivers. Bam, it started working straight away. :) If it still doesn't work, check your Windows 10 APN settings (for Telstra it should be telstra.internet)
One thing I haven't seen mentioned here yet is the trackpoint/accupoint. IMO it's as good as Lenovo's implementation, and certainly better than what Dell did on their Arrandale and Sandy Bridge based Latitude series laptops. Accurate, responsive tracking. I've disabled the trackpad and just using the accupoint now. :)
I have this, I give it a lot of juice use though! LOL. TV server, 2 external hard drives, 4 VMS running at 512MB (Domain Server/Client Lab setup) and upgraded to Windows 10. Runs well. Although I think i may eventually go back to Windows 8.1 because Windows 10 doesn't feel right in tablet mode. It still just doest flow as well as Windows 8.1 did.
I don't think the Z20t was all that popular or well known (just compare this thread to the hundreds of pages of the Surface RT/Surface Pro lineup!), so they're likely just clearing old stock. That and there's actually a newer model out now (Z20t-C) with a Skylake CPU, with the top model having 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD, and a USB 3.1 Type-C port in place of the USB 2.0 micro-B port on the Z20t-B.
Thank you. Picked one up, love it. Only complaint is the touch pad doesnt have a smoothness that my laptops does even after tweaking. One other thing, it has inverted double finger scroll on the touch pad, and I cant find an option anywhere to flip it. Any thoughts? Thanks
Might be the delayed response thing (meant to prevent accidental movement while typing). You could try disabling it (double-click the touchpad icon in the notifications area). Also check in Mouse Properties that "Enhance pointer precision" is enabled.
I couldn't find anywhere to change it either. It should be somewhere in Mouse Properties (traditional Control Panel) or in the Modern UI mouse settings menu. Might be a registry edit that can do it, but not sure.
Just a PSA re: SSD upgrades. Only enough room for a single-sided m.2 SSD, with the empty side of the PCB absolutely flat against the display panel. So [currently] no upgrade to a 1TB m.2 SSD (eg. Intel 540s) until a single-sided model appears on the market.
Well I picked up a Z20t from a Pawn shop wasn't looking for one and didn't expect to find one in these kind of stores but it's in mint condition and was asking $599 Core m5y51, 4GB ram, 120Gb ssd, mobile sim. I've bidded a few times on ebay recently and know the ballpark value of it so was happy to take it off his hands.
Just doing a format before imaging the ssd, and will do it again after updating to win10, though I'll be checking others thoughts on win10 with it just in case there's an issue. Not a blemish on it but shame it doesn't come with that super stylus, only the emergency one.
It's all arse covering nothing more, I've taken an image of it in it's original state. Am 93% into the media creation tool DL, I do want to remove everything on the ssd to start clean. I'm aware how much bloat there is there were the typical programs we all love to hate, both toshiba's and 3rd party.
Any wacom tablet pc pen from the last 15 or so years will work, as well as the Samsung Galaxy Note phone and tablet pens (it's sturdier than the flimsy little toothpick that stows away in the Z20t, and feels and tracks better as well IMO, Note 3 and Note 5 pens work great with the Z20t).
The Z20t big pen comes with a hard felt tip (feels like writing with a pencil instead of slippery hard plastic), so you may feel like buying a handful of these to try out in place of the plastic tips that usually come with these pens.
thanks, I have a different link. I also had a Bios update 2.01 to 6.4. Installed what I wanted as they were DL and had a brilliant run. I really like this laptop have a great setup now almost mirroring the desktop (better in some ways being pro and access to 'group policy')
cheers I really want to give it a good go on this device and want to start using/learning oneNote so it should be a blast, I had a good time with the emergency pen input as it was. I've used a felt tip stylus before and quite liked it, I've seen $70 being floated on the original one but I may have to widen the search to a nice comfy one.
Heh, I wish it did have the option to charge via USB in addition to the standard charger. Would make it even better for road warriors. As it is, I just keep a car charger in my... car (:P) just in case. Otherwise, its 12 hour battery life is more than enough to not have to worry during a work day.
I don't think the updated Skylake model (Z20t-C) can charge via USB either, despite having a type C [gen 1, 5Gbps] port in place of micro-B on the Z20t-B. Not unless they fiddled with the internals I guess.
I'll keep that link thanks, I don't need on the road charging but I may want it in the future. I'm really loving the Z20t and it's my first hybrid/2in1 and because I can utilise more of Windows (app side of things, modern UI ect..) I'm starting to enjoy windows rather than being jaded on it.......funny that
I'm really loving the Z20t and it's my first hybrid/2in1 and because I can utilise more of Windows (app side of things, modern UI ect..) I'm starting to enjoy windows rather than being jaded on it.......funny that
For day to day use, I set mine up by copy-pasting over my Firefox and Chrome profile folders. Up and running in no time with the same tabs, bookmarks, add-ons as my Windows desktop PC. Haven't bothered with syncing browsers, but that's an option as well.
I don't really bother with the modern UI. Maybe the Camera app occasionally (phone camera better and more convenient anyway, heh), some games and specific apps (check out the app "Geolocator", GPS works fine). But otherwise I'm all about the "traditional" desktop and getting the same functionality as my desktop. :)
I bring out the notifications bar and tap the brightness panel, it's 25% each touch. Though I'm being a tad annoyed having to manually change power options between eco or performance when docked or not, it doesn't seem to auto do it. I might try it for a while and see. I tried tablet mode when not docked but I'm just not liking it atm.
yeah I popped it in, activated the sim, got back to it an hour later and received sms messages that it's activated. Fired up Skylight and connected. It's going great, loving it and how much faster it feels than adsl. Still waiting fot the phone to be connected and internode to churn to the new premises. This is so much better than using my phone. That and I haven't recharged the laptop in three days only connected it tonight and still had 52%.
I've just tried (today) connecting without Skylight (I understand it's useful to capture quota) and it's good to go and a bit easier to let windows handle it. What a great device. I've even stumbled upon the widi (wireless display) lastnight with my wdtv live streaming device. I was going to push video up to it but it auto connected and my screen was on the tv, was a laugh... I might look for an app for quota if there is one for telstra.
For a quick peek at youtube video size before viewing, I use the firefox addon "Download YouTube Videos as MP4". Combine with the addon "Magic Actions for Youtube" to prevent the video from loading and playing automatically, until you click to begin playback. Lets you check the 360p30 and 720p30 file sizes first.
For checking all possible resolutions and frame rates, and to get it working in Chrome (Google doesn't like you downloading youtube videos hehe), try Clip Convertor with the Greasemonkey/Tampermonkey extension. Takes a few seconds, but you get all the juicy details.
Yeah I find it easier to use than the touchpad, though I often find myself reaching for the touchscreen when in a hurry. Thankfully the matte screen protector resists fingerprints really, really well. :)
Looks like the WWAN antennas only come with the 4G/LTE models; the wifi only models have neither the antennas nor the modem card. Other business laptop lines such as Dell Latitude, Lenovo Thinkpad always come with the WWAN antennas ready to use.
Pic of the guts for anyone interested (5.7MB), model number is PT15BA-00J00Y. Make sure to remove the twig pen, any microSD card, and any SIM card before removing the casing. No ribbon cables between motherboard and back casing, thankfully:
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