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DrQ

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Oct 20, 2015, 9:16:20 PM10/20/15
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This has become a trendy buzzword, especially since Amazon launched their Lambda service last November.

Does anyone disagree with the following Guerrilla-style '25 words or less' description?: Personal demons in the cloud.


James Newsom

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Oct 20, 2015, 11:49:37 PM10/20/15
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Considering the isolated singular functions of the microservices wouldn't a better name be "Personal daemons in the cloud?" I did a quick look-see and didn't see anything related to metrics collection so those personal daemons could become personal demons.

James


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This has become a trendy buzzword, especially since Amazon launched their Lambda service last November.

Does anyone disagree with the following Guerrilla-style '25 words or less' description?: Personal demons in the cloud.


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KriRad

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Jan 11, 2016, 11:01:02 AM1/11/16
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Spottify uses them heavily.

Mohan


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Considering the isolated singular functions of the microservices wouldn't a better name be "Personal daemons in the cloud?" I did a quick look-see and didn't see anything related to metrics collection so those personal daemons could become personal demons.

James

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This has become a trendy buzzword, especially since Amazon launched their Lambda service last November.

Does anyone disagree with the following Guerrilla-style '25 words or less' description?: Personal demons in the cloud.


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DrQ

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Jan 11, 2016, 11:29:53 AM1/11/16
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It turns out that there was a talk about microservices at CMG'15. Very little on performance but it gave quite a good overview. 

At the end of the talk, I decided to try out my 25-word def on the presenter. It threw him. However, when the session ended, someone from the audience came over to me and suggested that deamon wasn't quite right b/c they don't communicate with each other. After some discussion, we agreed on changing deamon to agent.

Sometimes you can learn more from an audience than a presentation. ;-)

Mike Brunt

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Jan 11, 2016, 12:27:21 PM1/11/16
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Did you share those 25 words somewhere?

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This has become a trendy buzzword, especially since Amazon launched their Lambda service last November.

Does anyone disagree with the following Guerrilla-style '25 words or less' description?: Personal demons in the cloud.


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DrQ

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Jan 11, 2016, 12:32:33 PM1/11/16
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Here. :-)

Still road-testing. Now tuned to be: Microservices are personal agents in the cloud.

Do you buy it?


On Monday, January 11, 2016 at 9:27:21 AM UTC-8, Mike Brunt wrote:
Did you share those 25 words somewhere?
On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 6:16 PM, 'DrQ' via Guerrilla Capacity Planning <guerrilla-capacity-planning@googlegroups.com> wrote:
This has become a trendy buzzword, especially since Amazon launched their Lambda service last November.

Does anyone disagree with the following Guerrilla-style '25 words or less' description?: Personal demons in the cloud.


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Alexander Podelko

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Jan 11, 2016, 1:23:47 PM1/11/16
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Why personal? My understanding is that they are rather public - used by other services.




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Here. :-)

Still road-testing. Now tuned to be: Microservices are personal agents in the cloud.

Do you buy it?

On Monday, January 11, 2016 at 9:27:21 AM UTC-8, Mike Brunt wrote:
Did you share those 25 words somewhere?

On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 6:16 PM, 'DrQ' via Guerrilla Capacity Planning <guerrilla-capacity-planning@ googlegroups.com> wrote:
This has become a trendy buzzword, especially since Amazon launched their Lambda service last November.

Does anyone disagree with the following Guerrilla-style '25 words or less' description?: Personal demons in the cloud.


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Mike Brunt

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Thank you, the day will come when the energy consumption of mega data-centers will become a huge issue and in truth it comes right back down to capacity planning or more to the point, the lack of it.  Sorry if I seem to be "tangenting" off here.  Personally I would like to see a scientific study on the whole era of virtualization and Cloud infrastructure as it pertains to energy consumption effects.  My feeling is that the abstractions of both have impacted overall performance characteristics negatively and that this has been masked by continually ramping up the hardware needed to compensate.  Another real pain in the bottom, with Amazon in particular, is the constant change and adding of services, it makes looking for relevant technical documents, difficult.  Then there is the subject of profitability which is hard to pin down for Amazon.  

Those are my thoughts, which may not be relevant to the spirit of this discussion.

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 9:32 AM, 'DrQ' via Guerrilla Capacity Planning <guerrilla-cap...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Here. :-)

Still road-testing. Now tuned to be: Microservices are personal agents in the cloud.

Do you buy it?


On Monday, January 11, 2016 at 9:27:21 AM UTC-8, Mike Brunt wrote:
Did you share those 25 words somewhere?
On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 6:16 PM, 'DrQ' via Guerrilla Capacity Planning <guerrilla-cap...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
This has become a trendy buzzword, especially since Amazon launched their Lambda service last November.

Does anyone disagree with the following Guerrilla-style '25 words or less' description?: Personal demons in the cloud.


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DrQ

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'Personal' was intended to capture the notion that the user interacts via a smartphone app and m/s works on the user's stuff. 
But maybe that's not really much different from standard client/server architecture. Also not sure if the 'agent' just sits there 'listening' or gets fired up on request.

Do you know?

On Monday, January 11, 2016 at 10:23:47 AM UTC-8, Alex wrote:
Why personal? My understanding is that they are rather public - used by other services.




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On Monday, January 11, 2016 at 10:23:50 AM UTC-8, Mike Brunt wrote:
Thank you, the day will come when the energy consumption of mega data-centers will become a huge issue and in truth it comes right back down to capacity planning or more to the point, the lack of it.  Sorry if I seem to be "tangenting" off here.  Personally I would like to see a scientific study on the whole era of virtualization and Cloud infrastructure as it pertains to energy consumption effects.  My feeling is that the abstractions of both have impacted overall performance characteristics negatively and that this has been masked by continually ramping up the hardware needed to compensate.  Another real pain in the bottom, with Amazon in particular, is the constant change and adding of services, it makes looking for relevant technical documents, difficult.  Then there is the subject of profitability which is hard to pin down for Amazon.  

On this last point ... From the Twittersphere
 
Those are my thoughts, which may not be relevant to the spirit of this discussion.
On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 9:32 AM, 'DrQ' via Guerrilla Capacity Planning <guerrilla-capacity-planning@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Here. :-)

Still road-testing. Now tuned to be: Microservices are personal agents in the cloud.

Do you buy it?


On Monday, January 11, 2016 at 9:27:21 AM UTC-8, Mike Brunt wrote:
Did you share those 25 words somewhere?
On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 6:16 PM, 'DrQ' via Guerrilla Capacity Planning <guerrilla-capacity-planning@googlegroups.com> wrote:
This has become a trendy buzzword, especially since Amazon launched their Lambda service last November.

Does anyone disagree with the following Guerrilla-style '25 words or less' description?: Personal demons in the cloud.


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steve jenkin

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Neil has, typically, chosen a hard question.

“The Register” does a good job in reporting Technology and recently took a stab at this question
They couldn’t ‘nail’ it. Link below.

Nobody has talked about ‘locality’ and execution-space as being differentiators (local/remote and in same/diff process space).
There’s also the issue of reuse:
are ‘microservices’ _not_ tied to a single ‘application’ versus ‘components’ being inherently single application?

Are we revisiting Constantine's “Coupling and Cohesion” question for the cloud?

cheers
steve

Microservices are not the same thing as components
<http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/01/06/inside_microservices/>

> An explainer for broad-minded architects
>
> Is the difference clear yet ... almost right?
> The two technologies are obviously very closely matched in terms of the way they "break up" application structures,
> but the finer nuances of the way the two behave have not been subject to intensely strict segregation-driven nomenclature.

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> On 12 Jan 2016, at 4:32 AM, 'DrQ' via Guerrilla Capacity Planning <guerrilla-cap...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Here. :-)
>
> Still road-testing. Now tuned to be: Microservices are personal agents in the cloud.
>
> Do you buy it?
>
> On Monday, January 11, 2016 at 9:27:21 AM UTC-8, Mike Brunt wrote:
> Did you share those 25 words somewhere?
>
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 6:16 PM, 'DrQ' via Guerrilla Capacity Planning <guerrilla-cap...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> This has become a trendy buzzword, especially since Amazon launched their Lambda service last November.
>
> Does anyone disagree with the following Guerrilla-style '25 words or less' description?: Personal demons in the cloud.
>
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steve jenkin

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Jan 12, 2016, 2:31:16 AM1/12/16
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Neil has, typically, chosen a hard question.

“The Register” does a good job in reporting Technology and recently took a stab at this question
They couldn’t ‘nail’ it. Link below.

Nobody has talked about ‘locality’ and execution-space as being differentiators (local/remote and in same/diff process space).
There’s also the issue of reuse:
 are ‘microservices’ _not_ tied to a single ‘application’ versus ‘components’ being inherently single application?

Are we revisiting Constantine's “Coupling and Cohesion” question for the cloud?

cheers
steve

Microservices are not the same thing as components
<http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/01/06/inside_microservices/>

An explainer for broad-minded architects

Is the difference clear yet ... almost right?
The two technologies are obviously very closely matched in terms of the way they "break up" application structures,
but the finer nuances of the way the two behave have not been subject to intensely strict segregation-driven nomenclature.

=============

On 12 Jan 2016, at 4:32 AM, 'DrQ' via Guerrilla Capacity Planning <guerrilla-cap...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Here. :-)

Still road-testing. Now tuned to be: Microservices are personal agents in the cloud.

Do you buy it?

On Monday, January 11, 2016 at 9:27:21 AM UTC-8, Mike Brunt wrote:
Did you share those 25 words somewhere?

On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 6:16 PM, 'DrQ' via Guerrilla Capacity Planning <guerrilla-capacity-planning@googlegroups.com> wrote:
This has become a trendy buzzword, especially since Amazon launched their Lambda service last November.

Does anyone disagree with the following Guerrilla-style '25 words or less' description?: Personal demons in the cloud.

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Lance N.

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Jan 12, 2016, 6:44:46 PM1/12/16
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This has nothing to do with microservices. Microservices are a technique for distributing the code for a server-side app among containers.

You're thinking of "If This, Then That": https://ifttt.com/

Lance N.

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Jan 12, 2016, 9:08:24 PM1/12/16
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Most sensible thing I've seen on microservices: http://martinfowler.com/bliki/MonolithFirst.html

But I do agree it's possible to think of small agents that do stuff for you, and Internet-of-Things definitely wants this.

KriRad

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Jan 14, 2016, 10:20:46 AM1/14/16
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>Microservices are a technique for distributing the code for a server-side app among containers

But 'containers' lead you to a different subject.
One point mentioned by the Spottify presenter is related to availability. If the 'typeahead' search service is unavaiable people may overlook it as long the critical services are up.

Mohan

Alexander Podelko

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Jan 14, 2016, 11:09:00 AM1/14/16
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Yes, I don't think that containers is a necessary part of microservices (while, I guess, many use it).

My understanding is that they are just completely independent components that may be used by different applications when needed. A next step in object/component/service development fulfilling promises of them a little further.



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Alexander Podelko

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Jan 14, 2016, 11:16:09 AM1/14/16
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A Microservice Definition: Loosely coupled service oriented architecture with bounded contexts.
If every service has to be updated at the same time it’s not loosely coupled.
If you have to know too much about surrounding services you don’t have a bounded context.
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