ABS brake bleed routine - needed for all models?
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Jim5941
Jan 24, 2012, 11:53:37 AM1/24/12
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I found some time to start learning about my GS-911 and ran through
most of the tests...
Is the ABS brake bleed routine necessary for all types of ABS-equipted
bikes?
I seem to recall reading that the older models did need this, but that
newer bikes,
like the F800GS series did not need to use it?
Thanks!
Dave Penfield
Jan 24, 2012, 1:17:48 PM1/24/12
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Bleeding should be part of your maintenance routine as a preventative step and also to improve feel and function. Moisture is the primary contaminate. If it wasn't necessary, the mfg wouldn't spec it out, and the frequency they specify I always treat as a minimum. Do an internet search on the subject. My experience has been that the older ABS systems do require more maintenance, but the same reasoning applies to newer ABS and non ABS systems alike.
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Marty P.
Jan 24, 2012, 2:23:59 PM1/24/12
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| All hydraulic brake systems, ABS and "whizzy" up to 2006 models included require at least every two years a complete flush and bleed. Most folks do it every year as the ABS controllers are quite expensive to replace and frequent fluid changes keep them healthy. Marty Patrovsky --- On Tue, 1/24/12, Jim5941 <jim.w...@gmail.com> wrote: |
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Jim5941
Jan 24, 2012, 4:51:33 PM1/24/12
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Thanks guys!
Sorry I was not clear about what I was asking ....
I do intend to bleed my brakes about every year, cheap insurance
against having to replace expensive bits!
I'm just wondering if the GS-911 bleeding routine is of any value on
the newer ABS systems.
If it is a good idea, how should I bleed?
Bleed, let the GS-911 do it's thing with the bleed screw closed, then
bleed again?
or
Have the bleed screw open with I trip the 911 routine?
or ???
Slightly confused...
Thanks!
Haakon Aas
Jan 25, 2012, 12:18:17 AM1/25/12
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A bit hard to explain- and harder to give good advice.
The ABS bleed routine done with the old MoDiTec unit (BMW workshop computer)
WAS intended to be used ONLY when the ABS unit had been replaced OR the
pipes to the unit had been replaced.
When doing a ABS bleed it in the workshop, only the cap of the master
cylinder reservoirs (front and rear) should be removed, and the openings
covered by a cloth or something- a tiny bit brake fluid will squirt out a a
high pressure.
----------------
The GS911 do exactly the same as the MoDiTec (and later, GT1 do)
It cycles the pumps and valves in the ABS unit several times.
-----------
Do you have to do it???
In theory, it depends on if you ever had the ABS "work".
In theory, if it never was into action, the whole unit are sealed off from
the rest of the braking system and would NOT and never need a bleed.
In theory!!!!!
As the brake fluid is so hygroscopic: sucking in and mixing with
moisture.... bleed your brakes - change ALL of the fluid at least once a
year!!
Water contaminated brake fluid will do 2 things- ruin your master cylinder
and caliphers!
Worse: at repeatedly heavy braking the water will boil and you loose ALL
braking effect- SCARY and very dangerous!!!
(dont ask how I know)
-------------------
My procedure is to first use the ABS bleed function of the GS911 3- 5 times,
then do a normal and maual bleed of both front and rear.
I do so untill the fluid from the bleed nipples are real clean and clear.
Then I do a few more ABS bleed cycles, and repeat the manual bleeding.
More often than not I then see a small amount of gray fluid emerge- My bet
is that its from the ABS unit...but do not know for sure.
Haakon
The ABS bleed routine done with the old MoDiTec unit (BMW workshop computer)
WAS intended to be used ONLY when the ABS unit had been replaced OR the
pipes to the unit had been replaced.
When doing a ABS bleed it in the workshop, only the cap of the master
cylinder reservoirs (front and rear) should be removed, and the openings
covered by a cloth or something- a tiny bit brake fluid will squirt out a a
high pressure.
----------------
The GS911 do exactly the same as the MoDiTec (and later, GT1 do)
It cycles the pumps and valves in the ABS unit several times.
-----------
Do you have to do it???
In theory, it depends on if you ever had the ABS "work".
In theory, if it never was into action, the whole unit are sealed off from
the rest of the braking system and would NOT and never need a bleed.
In theory!!!!!
As the brake fluid is so hygroscopic: sucking in and mixing with
moisture.... bleed your brakes - change ALL of the fluid at least once a
year!!
Water contaminated brake fluid will do 2 things- ruin your master cylinder
and caliphers!
Worse: at repeatedly heavy braking the water will boil and you loose ALL
braking effect- SCARY and very dangerous!!!
(dont ask how I know)
-------------------
My procedure is to first use the ABS bleed function of the GS911 3- 5 times,
then do a normal and maual bleed of both front and rear.
I do so untill the fluid from the bleed nipples are real clean and clear.
Then I do a few more ABS bleed cycles, and repeat the manual bleeding.
More often than not I then see a small amount of gray fluid emerge- My bet
is that its from the ABS unit...but do not know for sure.
Haakon
PS- JUST how I do it and what I see :-)
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Jan 25, 2012, 12:20:16 AM1/25/12
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PS- PS- My bike is a 2000 model F650GS!!
Jim5941
Jan 25, 2012, 9:49:01 AM1/25/12
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Thank you Haakon!
That sounds like a good procedure - I'll be copying you!
Jim
Stephan Thiel
Feb 1, 2012, 4:36:20 AM2/1/12
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A lot of confusion exists when it comes to ABS and the Bleed
procedures - Allow me to clarify...
there is Bleeding... and then there is a Bleed Test... there are 2 completely different things... then Bleeding is the procedure by which air is removed from the system... and the Bleed Test, is a test to check whether the Bleeding was adequately performed... i.e. no air in the system...
if you click on the bleed tests in GS-911 it instructs you to perform a conventional Bleed (even links to a web page with some info on the procedure etc...) and that the Bleed test ONLY tests whether the bleeding was adequately done...
Now, there are Servo brakes and and non-Servo brakes... and people believe (wrongly so!) that the servo brakes (or any of the non-servo brakes) require a diagnostic tool to do the bleed... This is COMPLETELY incorrect... the Bleeds are conventional (even on the servo assisted models - although with all their valves on the ABS unit, the process differs from the stock standard conventional bleed as we know it on the caliper bleed nipple only...)
For the non-Servo assisted brakes
(C1, F650 singles earlier versions on 1150 and non-can K1200, and then on the later 2007+ CAN-bus bikes (even the S1000RR), the brakes are bled conventionally.. and ONCE YOU ARE DONE, then you do a Bleed Test... the bleed test actuates the pump, forcing residual air out of the system/pump... and then you do ANOTHER bleed... and if you see air during this follow-up bleed, that means there was some residual air left in the system... Repeat until no more air is seen during a conventional bleed that follows a bleed test...
For the Servo assisted brakes
(These would be the iABS or ABS3 models on the later versions of the R1150 / R1200C/CL and non-CAN K1200 models, as well as the iABS-CAN or ABS3-CAN for the first generation models (2004 to late2006/early2007) of the R1200GS/Adv, R1200RT, R1200ST, K1200GT, K1200R, K1200S)
You also do NOT use a diagnostic machine during the actual bleed... once done, you can do a Bleed test, in which you are asked to squeeze the lever and the pressure in the Control circuit is shown on a bar graph (and believe me... you have to SQUEEZE... to get it into the green... if you get the Control circuit into the Green Zone, then the pressure is measure in the Wheel circuit, which of course also has to comply to a minimum pressure specification... you can see a screenshot on the news post I made for Beta1201:
http://www.hexcode.co.za/new-beta-version-1201-released#iabsbleedtest
In addition to the different Bleed Test, the servo assisted brakes also have the Brake Switch Adjustment Tests, in which the position of the switch itself is checked... (they generally have a little 2mm (if memory serves me correctly) grub/allan screw that holds it in place), as well as the Sensor Drift Test. I have a screenshot of the Sensor Drift Test in the Beta1201 news post as well...
http://www.hexcode.co.za/new-beta-version-1201-released#iabssensordrifttest
hope this clarifies it a little more...
best,
Stephan
there is Bleeding... and then there is a Bleed Test... there are 2 completely different things... then Bleeding is the procedure by which air is removed from the system... and the Bleed Test, is a test to check whether the Bleeding was adequately performed... i.e. no air in the system...
if you click on the bleed tests in GS-911 it instructs you to perform a conventional Bleed (even links to a web page with some info on the procedure etc...) and that the Bleed test ONLY tests whether the bleeding was adequately done...
Now, there are Servo brakes and and non-Servo brakes... and people believe (wrongly so!) that the servo brakes (or any of the non-servo brakes) require a diagnostic tool to do the bleed... This is COMPLETELY incorrect... the Bleeds are conventional (even on the servo assisted models - although with all their valves on the ABS unit, the process differs from the stock standard conventional bleed as we know it on the caliper bleed nipple only...)
For the non-Servo assisted brakes
(C1, F650 singles earlier versions on 1150 and non-can K1200, and then on the later 2007+ CAN-bus bikes (even the S1000RR), the brakes are bled conventionally.. and ONCE YOU ARE DONE, then you do a Bleed Test... the bleed test actuates the pump, forcing residual air out of the system/pump... and then you do ANOTHER bleed... and if you see air during this follow-up bleed, that means there was some residual air left in the system... Repeat until no more air is seen during a conventional bleed that follows a bleed test...
For the Servo assisted brakes
(These would be the iABS or ABS3 models on the later versions of the R1150 / R1200C/CL and non-CAN K1200 models, as well as the iABS-CAN or ABS3-CAN for the first generation models (2004 to late2006/early2007) of the R1200GS/Adv, R1200RT, R1200ST, K1200GT, K1200R, K1200S)
You also do NOT use a diagnostic machine during the actual bleed... once done, you can do a Bleed test, in which you are asked to squeeze the lever and the pressure in the Control circuit is shown on a bar graph (and believe me... you have to SQUEEZE... to get it into the green... if you get the Control circuit into the Green Zone, then the pressure is measure in the Wheel circuit, which of course also has to comply to a minimum pressure specification... you can see a screenshot on the news post I made for Beta1201:
http://www.hexcode.co.za/new-beta-version-1201-released#iabsbleedtest
In addition to the different Bleed Test, the servo assisted brakes also have the Brake Switch Adjustment Tests, in which the position of the switch itself is checked... (they generally have a little 2mm (if memory serves me correctly) grub/allan screw that holds it in place), as well as the Sensor Drift Test. I have a screenshot of the Sensor Drift Test in the Beta1201 news post as well...
http://www.hexcode.co.za/new-beta-version-1201-released#iabssensordrifttest
hope this clarifies it a little more...
best,
Stephan
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Paul Milo
Feb 1, 2012, 6:53:27 AM2/1/12
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Excellent - thanks so much for that. Really good information.
Cheers
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Joe Harvey
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How about that I've never noticed that Bleed Test in the list. Was that test added during subsequent software revisions?
Mike Delacoe
Feb 1, 2012, 10:14:24 AM2/1/12
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It's in the latest Beta 1201 released
31/01/12
Mike
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Stephan Thiel
Feb 1, 2012, 11:44:27 AM2/1/12
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the other ABS controllers have had this for a while... ;-)
ABS-8M, iABS2-CAN, and ABS-9M, were released the in Beta of June 2011
�http://www.hexcode.co.za/new-beta-version-1106-released
while ABS-N was early in Beta of March 2009
�http://www.hexcode.co.za/products/gs-911/beta-release-903
best,
Stephan
On 2/1/12 5:12 PM, Joe Harvey wrote:
ABS-8M, iABS2-CAN, and ABS-9M, were released the in Beta of June 2011
�http://www.hexcode.co.za/new-beta-version-1106-released
while ABS-N was early in Beta of March 2009
�http://www.hexcode.co.za/products/gs-911/beta-release-903
best,
Stephan
On 2/1/12 5:12 PM, Joe Harvey wrote:
How about that I've never noticed that Bleed Test in the list.� Was that test added during subsequent software revisions?
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 3:53 AM, Paul Milo <paul...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
Excellent - thanks so much for that. Really good information.
Cheers
��������
Paul MilosavljevicAviation ManagerCootes Aviationmobile: 0408 083 111
Sent from iPhone
A lot of confusion exists when it comes to ABS and the Bleed procedures - Allow me to clarify...
there is Bleeding... and then there is a Bleed Test... there are 2 completely different things... then Bleeding is the procedure by which air is removed from the system... and the Bleed Test, is a test to check whether the Bleeding was adequately performed... i.e. no air in the system...
if you click on the bleed tests in GS-911 it instructs you to perform a conventional Bleed (even links to a web page with some info on the procedure etc...) and that the Bleed test ONLY tests whether the bleeding was adequately done...
Now, there are Servo brakes and and non-Servo brakes... and people believe (wrongly so!) that the servo brakes (or any of the non-servo brakes) require a diagnostic tool to do the bleed... This is COMPLETELY incorrect... the Bleeds are conventional (even on the servo assisted models - although with all their valves on the ABS unit, the process differs from the stock standard conventional bleed as we know it on the caliper bleed nipple only...)
For the non-Servo assisted brakes
(C1, F650 singles earlier versions on 1150 and non-can K1200, and then on the later 2007+ CAN-bus bikes (even the S1000RR), the brakes are bled conventionally.. and ONCE YOU ARE DONE, then you do a Bleed Test...� the bleed test actuates the pump, forcing residual air out of the system/pump... and then you do ANOTHER bleed... and if you see air during this follow-up bleed, that means there was some residual air left in the system... Repeat until no more air is seen during a conventional bleed that follows a bleed test...
For the Servo assisted brakes
(These would be the iABS or ABS3 models on the later versions of the R1150 / R1200C/CL and non-CAN K1200 models, as well as the iABS-CAN or ABS3-CAN for the first generation models (2004 to late2006/early2007) of the R1200GS/Adv, R1200RT, R1200ST, K1200GT, K1200R, K1200S)
You also do NOT use a diagnostic machine during the actual bleed... once done, you can do a Bleed test, in which you are asked to squeeze the lever and the pressure in the Control circuit is shown on a bar graph (and believe me... you have to SQUEEZE... to get it into the green... if you get the Control circuit into the Green Zone, then the pressure is measure in the Wheel circuit, which of course also has to comply to a minimum pressure specification... you can see a screenshot on the news post I made for Beta1201:
In addition to the different Bleed Test, the servo assisted brakes also have the Brake Switch Adjustment Tests, in which the position of the switch itself is checked... (they generally have a little 2mm (if memory serves me correctly) grub/allan screw that holds it in place), as well as the Sensor Drift Test. I have a screenshot of the Sensor Drift Test in the Beta1201 news post as well...
Jim5941
Feb 1, 2012, 6:48:34 PM2/1/12
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Thank you Stephan!
If I read you correctly the F800GS & F650GS twin-cylinder bikes are
NON-Servo-assisted - correct?
Jim
On Feb 1, 11:44 am, Stephan Thiel <step...@hex.co.za> wrote:
> the other ABS controllers have had this for a while... ;-)
>
> ABS-8M, iABS2-CAN, and ABS-9M, were released the in Beta of June 2011
> http://www.hexcode.co.za/new-beta-version-1106-released
>
> while ABS-N was early in Beta of March 2009
>
> while ABS-N was early in Beta of March 2009
> http://www.hexcode.co.za/products/gs-911/beta-release-903
>
> best,
> Stephan
>
> On 2/1/12 5:12 PM, Joe Harvey wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > How about that I've never noticed that Bleed Test in the list. Was
>
> best,
> Stephan
>
> On 2/1/12 5:12 PM, Joe Harvey wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > that test added during subsequent software revisions?
>
>
> > On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 3:53 AM, Paul Milo <paulm...@bigpond.net.au
> > <mailto:paulm...@bigpond.net.au>> wrote:
>
> > Excellent - thanks so much for that. Really good information.
>
> > Cheers
>
> > ��������
> > Paul Milosavljevic
> > Aviation Manager
> > Cootes Aviation
> > mobile: 0408 083 111
>
> > Sent from iPhone
>
> > On 01/02/2012, at 20:36, Stephan Thiel <step...@hex.co.za
> > <mailto:paulm...@bigpond.net.au>> wrote:
>
> > Excellent - thanks so much for that. Really good information.
>
> > Cheers
>
> > ��������
> > Paul Milosavljevic
> > Aviation Manager
> > Cootes Aviation
> > mobile: 0408 083 111
>
> > Sent from iPhone
>
> > <mailto:step...@hex.co.za>> wrote:
>
> >> A lot of confusion exists when it comes to ABS and the Bleed
> >> procedures - Allow me to clarify...
>
> >> there is Bleeding... and then there is a Bleed Test... there are
> >> 2 completely different things... then Bleeding is the procedure
> >> by which air is removed from the system... and the Bleed Test, is
> >> a test to check whether the Bleeding was adequately performed...
> >> i.e. no air in the system...
>
> >> if you click on the bleed tests in GS-911 it instructs you to
> >> perform a conventional Bleed (even links to a web page with some
> >> info on the procedure etc...) and that the Bleed test ONLY tests
> >> whether the bleeding was adequately done...
>
> >> Now, there are Servo brakes and and non-Servo brakes... and
> >> people believe (wrongly so!) that the servo brakes (or any of the
> >> non-servo brakes) require a diagnostic tool to do the bleed...
> >> This is COMPLETELY incorrect... the Bleeds are conventional (even
> >> on the servo assisted models - although with all their valves on
> >> the ABS unit, the process differs from the stock standard
> >> conventional bleed as we know it on the caliper bleed nipple only...)
>
> >> *For the non-Servo assisted brakes*
>
> >> A lot of confusion exists when it comes to ABS and the Bleed
> >> procedures - Allow me to clarify...
>
> >> there is Bleeding... and then there is a Bleed Test... there are
> >> 2 completely different things... then Bleeding is the procedure
> >> by which air is removed from the system... and the Bleed Test, is
> >> a test to check whether the Bleeding was adequately performed...
> >> i.e. no air in the system...
>
> >> if you click on the bleed tests in GS-911 it instructs you to
> >> perform a conventional Bleed (even links to a web page with some
> >> info on the procedure etc...) and that the Bleed test ONLY tests
> >> whether the bleeding was adequately done...
>
> >> Now, there are Servo brakes and and non-Servo brakes... and
> >> people believe (wrongly so!) that the servo brakes (or any of the
> >> non-servo brakes) require a diagnostic tool to do the bleed...
> >> This is COMPLETELY incorrect... the Bleeds are conventional (even
> >> on the servo assisted models - although with all their valves on
> >> the ABS unit, the process differs from the stock standard
> >> conventional bleed as we know it on the caliper bleed nipple only...)
>
> >> (C1, F650 singles earlier versions on 1150 and non-can K1200, and
> >> then on the later 2007+ CAN-bus bikes (even the S1000RR), the
> >> brakes are bled conventionally.. and ONCE YOU ARE DONE, then you
> >> do a Bleed Test... the bleed test actuates the pump, forcing
> >> then on the later 2007+ CAN-bus bikes (even the S1000RR), the
> >> brakes are bled conventionally.. and ONCE YOU ARE DONE, then you
> >> residual air out of the system/pump... and then you do ANOTHER
> >> bleed... and if you see air during this follow-up bleed, that
> >> means there was some residual air left in the system... Repeat
> >> until no more air is seen during a conventional bleed that
> >> follows a bleed test...
>
> >> *For the Servo assisted brakes*
> >> bleed... and if you see air during this follow-up bleed, that
> >> means there was some residual air left in the system... Repeat
> >> until no more air is seen during a conventional bleed that
> >> follows a bleed test...
>
> >> (These would be the iABS or ABS3 models on the later versions of
> >> the R1150 / R1200C/CL and non-CAN K1200 models, as well as the
> >> iABS-CAN or ABS3-CAN for the first generation models (2004 to
> >> late2006/early2007) of the R1200GS/Adv, R1200RT, R1200ST,
> >> K1200GT, K1200R, K1200S)
>
> >> You also do NOT use a diagnostic machine during the actual
> >> bleed... once done, you can do a Bleed test, in which you are
> >> asked to squeeze the lever and the pressure in the Control
> >> circuit is shown on a bar graph (and believe me... you have to
> >> SQUEEZE... to get it into the green... if you get the Control
> >> circuit into the Green Zone, then the pressure is measure in the
> >> Wheel circuit, which of course also has to comply to a minimum
> >> pressure specification... you can see a screenshot on the news
> >> post I made for Beta1201:
> >> the R1150 / R1200C/CL and non-CAN K1200 models, as well as the
> >> iABS-CAN or ABS3-CAN for the first generation models (2004 to
> >> late2006/early2007) of the R1200GS/Adv, R1200RT, R1200ST,
> >> K1200GT, K1200R, K1200S)
>
> >> You also do NOT use a diagnostic machine during the actual
> >> bleed... once done, you can do a Bleed test, in which you are
> >> asked to squeeze the lever and the pressure in the Control
> >> circuit is shown on a bar graph (and believe me... you have to
> >> SQUEEZE... to get it into the green... if you get the Control
> >> circuit into the Green Zone, then the pressure is measure in the
> >> Wheel circuit, which of course also has to comply to a minimum
> >> pressure specification... you can see a screenshot on the news
> >> post I made for Beta1201:
> >> http://www.hexcode.co.za/new-beta-version-1201-released#iabsbleedtest
>
> >> In addition to the different Bleed Test, the servo assisted
> >> brakes also have the Brake Switch Adjustment Tests, in which the
> >> position of the switch itself is checked... (they generally have
> >> a little 2mm (if memory serves me correctly) grub/allan screw
> >> that holds it in place), as well as the Sensor Drift Test. I have
> >> a screenshot of the Sensor Drift Test in the Beta1201 news post
> >> as well...
> >> http://www.hexcode.co.za/new-beta-version-1201-released#iabssensordri...
>
> >> In addition to the different Bleed Test, the servo assisted
> >> brakes also have the Brake Switch Adjustment Tests, in which the
> >> position of the switch itself is checked... (they generally have
> >> a little 2mm (if memory serves me correctly) grub/allan screw
> >> that holds it in place), as well as the Sensor Drift Test. I have
> >> a screenshot of the Sensor Drift Test in the Beta1201 news post
> >> as well...
>
> >> hope this clarifies it a little more...
>
> >> best,
> >> Stephan
>
> >> On 1/24/12 11:51 PM, Jim5941 wrote:
> >>> Thanks guys!
> >>> Sorry I was not clear about what I was asking ....
>
> >>> I do intend to bleed my brakes about every year, cheap insurance
> >>> against having to replace expensive bits!
>
> >>> I'm just wondering if the GS-911 bleeding routine is of any value on
> >>> the newer ABS systems.
>
> >>> If it is a good idea, how should I bleed?
> >>> Bleed, let the GS-911 do it's thing with the bleed screw closed, then
> >>> bleed again?
> >>> or
> >>> Have the bleed screw open with I trip the 911 routine?
> >>> or ???
>
> >>> Slightly confused...
> >>> Thanks!
>
> >> --
> >> ========================
> >> Stephan Thiel
> >> www.hexcode.co.za<http://www.hexcode.co.za>
> >> hope this clarifies it a little more...
>
> >> best,
> >> Stephan
>
> >> On 1/24/12 11:51 PM, Jim5941 wrote:
> >>> Thanks guys!
> >>> Sorry I was not clear about what I was asking ....
>
> >>> I do intend to bleed my brakes about every year, cheap insurance
> >>> against having to replace expensive bits!
>
> >>> I'm just wondering if the GS-911 bleeding routine is of any value on
> >>> the newer ABS systems.
>
> >>> If it is a good idea, how should I bleed?
> >>> Bleed, let the GS-911 do it's thing with the bleed screw closed, then
> >>> bleed again?
> >>> or
> >>> Have the bleed screw open with I trip the 911 routine?
> >>> or ???
>
> >>> Slightly confused...
> >>> Thanks!
>
> >> --
> >> ========================
> >> Stephan Thiel
> >> +27 21 880 1433 <tel:%2B27%2021%20880%201433> (tel)
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Stephan Thiel
Feb 2, 2012, 2:26:51 AM2/2/12
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that's correct - they have the ABS-8M control unit
best,
Stephan
On 2/2/12 1:48 AM, Jim5941 wrote:
> Thank you Stephan!
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> If I read you correctly the F800GS & F650GS twin-cylinder bikes are
> NON-Servo-assisted - correct?
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> Jim
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> On Feb 1, 11:44 am, Stephan Thiel <step...@hex.co.za> wrote:
>> the other ABS controllers have had this for a while... ;-)
>>
>> ABS-8M, iABS2-CAN, and ABS-9M, were released the in Beta of June 2011
>> http://www.hexcode.co.za/new-beta-version-1106-released
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>> while ABS-N was early in Beta of March 2009
>> http://www.hexcode.co.za/products/gs-911/beta-release-903
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>> best,
>> Stephan
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>> On 2/1/12 5:12 PM, Joe Harvey wrote:
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>>> How about that I've never noticed that Bleed Test in the list. Was
>>> that test added during subsequent software revisions?
>>> On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 3:53 AM, Paul Milo <paulm...@bigpond.net.au
>>> <mailto:paulm...@bigpond.net.au>> wrote:
>>> Excellent - thanks so much for that. Really good information.
>>> Cheers
>>> ��������
Don W
Feb 15, 2012, 1:30:03 PM2/15/12
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Hello All, this is my first post, so I hope I don't blow it. I bought
a GS-911 last week to try to sort out an apparently failing iABS unit
on my '04 R1150RT-P. In reading this thread, I wonder if it is
possible to use the GS-911 to cycle the pumps/valves on my ABS? All I
find in the menu is the ability to read and/or clear the fault codes.
If the answer to this is elsewhere, I apoligize. I tried "search" but
had no luck.
Thank you!
Don
Lafayette, CA
a GS-911 last week to try to sort out an apparently failing iABS unit
on my '04 R1150RT-P. In reading this thread, I wonder if it is
possible to use the GS-911 to cycle the pumps/valves on my ABS? All I
find in the menu is the ability to read and/or clear the fault codes.
If the answer to this is elsewhere, I apoligize. I tried "search" but
had no luck.
Thank you!
Don
Lafayette, CA
simon ball
Feb 15, 2012, 4:13:17 PM2/15/12
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Hi,
if yours are servo assist I used this
http://advwisdom.hogranch.com/Wisdom/
look for abs-3
I did not use the GS-911 and confess i did not bother with wooden pads since mine were new any way.
Your unit might just need bleeding- hopefully.
Simon
Jos Palmaers
Feb 15, 2012, 5:42:41 PM2/15/12
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Hi Don,
Maintenance functions for iABS on the R1150RT are not supported yet.
Best,
Jos
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Thank you!
Don
Lafayette, CA
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