FW: [GS-911] Re: 10167: Output stage to Electric Fuel Pump faulty

[Frank De Meyer]

Check

 

http://www.motorcycleinfo.co.uk/index.cfm?fa=contentGeneric.nvxszdkebklxuaer&pageId=233223

 

 

Good Luck

 

 

Vriendelijke groeten,
 
Frank De Meyer

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Van: paul delaney [mailto:paul.de...@gmail.com]
Verzonden: woensdag 17 juni 2009 22:26
Aan: GS-...@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: [GS-911] Re: 10167: Output stage to Electric Fuel Pump faulty

 

change the fuel pump resister that sits on top off the fuel pump held on with torx screws it is probably full of water

On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 8:58 PM, Paul Garner <paulga...@msn.com> wrote:

I ran a full diagnostics on my 2007 R1200GS and it came up with.

GS911 Version:904.1 Date:17/06/2009
10167: Output stage to Electric Fuel Pump faulty (Fuel pump electronics/driver)
    The fault is currently present.

I can clear the fault but it reapers once the bike has been run again.

The bike runs fine.

Any help would be appreciated.

Paul

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[David Stevenson]

Hello to the experts on this group!

 

I have taken my first log of the engine (2006 1200GS) running at normal operating temperature; bike stationary on its main stand, idle for most of it but with some revving to 2000 or 3000 rpm.  It generally looks ok as far as I can see.  I wonder if it can be used to tell things like whether the two cylinders are ‘balanced’?  The local BMW dealer tells me that should I take it to them for servicing (I have not decided yet) they need to do things like sync the throttle butterflies on a bike of this age (15,000 miles).  I want to find out if they just want the cash… ;-)

 

Typical values which might be relevant are:

 

Cylinder head temps – within 3 degrees  eg  1 - 102.75; 2 - 105.75

Knock Sensors – within 0.8, eg  1 - 5.16;  2 - 4.37

Position of idle actuators  - exactly the same on both cylinders (is there actually only one sensor?)

 

So, can we tell from these readings whether any tuning needs to be done to balance the cylinders do do we have to rely on more conventional methods as used by BMW dealers and use balancing kits etc?  Are there any other readings in the log which I should be using to determine this?

 

I hope that any advice anyone is able to give would be of benefit to those of us relatively inexperienced in all this CAN-BUS technology etc.

 

Many thanks

 

David

[Lloyd Provin Jr]

With the GS-911's (relatively) new ability to lock and reset the idle steppers, you can now synch the throttle bodies as accirately as any dealer.  

  
Lloyd (Bud) Provin, Jr
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802-483-2460


 






 

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From: d.j.st...@sussex.ac.uk
To: GS-...@googlegroups.com
Subject: [GS-911] GS-911 Logs
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 10:54:33 +0100

[Don Eilenberger]

At 05:54 AM 10/19/2009, you wrote:

>Hello to the experts on this group!
>
>I have taken my first log of the engine (2006 1200GS) running at
>normal operating temperature; bike stationary on its main stand,
>idle for most of it but with some revving to 2000 or 3000 rpm. It
>generally looks ok as far as I can see. I wonder if it can be used
>to tell things like whether the two cylinders are 'balanced'? The
>local BMW dealer tells me that should I take it to them for
>servicing (I have not decided yet) they need to do things like sync
>the throttle butterflies on a bike of this age (15,000 miles). I
>want to find out if they just want the cash… ;-)

Dealers like work. They have a built in bias that way.

>Typical values which might be relevant are:
>
>Cylinder head temps – within 3 degrees eg 1 - 102.75; 2 - 105.75

Very unusual - since everyone else is reporting exactly the same
readings, and the statement was made that only one head has a temp
sensor on it. And I assume the degrees are Celsius?

>Knock Sensors – within 0.8, eg 1 - 5.16; 2 - 4.37
>Position of idle actuators - exactly the same on both cylinders (is
>there actually only one sensor?)

No - there is no sensor. The GS-911 is reading the number of steps the
ECU thinks the two steppers are at. If you followed our earlier conversation
most of the time they DO remain in sync. On some bikes they can be at
different positions - only at idle. Above idle they fall back into sync.

>So, can we tell from these readings whether any tuning needs to be
>done to balance the cylinders do do we have to rely on more
>conventional methods as used by BMW dealers and use balancing kits
>etc? Are there any other readings in the log which I should be
>using to determine this?

None I know of. The feel of the engine at normal riding speeds is usually
the clue that TB sync might be needed. I'll make a general comment.. the
cable routing/design on the R12 engines is good enough that I doubt if
any regular re-sync'ing of the TB's is needed. I have found on mine that
the TB's remain sync'd as long as I've done a careful job of adjusting the
valves. One shouldn't randomly decide to adjust the TB sync without first
making certain the valve adjustment is absolutely perfect. Chances are,
one the valve adjustment is perfect - the sync will be also. These engines
don't seem to wander as airhead/oilheads used to.

>I hope that any advice anyone is able to give would be of benefit to
>those of us relatively inexperienced in all this CAN-BUS technology etc.

It really isn't "all this CAN-BUS technology etc" - it's giving you access
to reading various sensors on the engine (CAN-BUS is simply the communications
path used.) - And reading those sensors don't change the need to have a basic
understanding of engine tuning. They can make it easier to do the job
(particularly the idle actuator zero and locking) - but it could be done
without the GS-911.

>Many thanks
>David

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[David Stevenson]

Inline...

> Dealers like work. They have a built in bias that way.

I don't mind work - it's the unnecessary work just to get cash out of us
which I have an issue with... sounds like I don't need to pay them to
balance the throttle bodies.

> >Cylinder head temps - within 3 degrees eg 1 - 102.75; 2 - 105.75

>
> Very unusual - since everyone else is reporting exactly the same
> readings, and the statement was made that only one head has a temp
> sensor on it. And I assume the degrees are Celsius?

I recall from the earlier thread that it was the later models that only had
one sensor on no 1 cylinder.

>
> No - there is no sensor. The GS-911 is reading the number of steps the
> ECU thinks the two steppers are at. If you followed our earlier
> conversation
> most of the time they DO remain in sync. On some bikes they can be at
> different positions - only at idle. Above idle they fall back into
> sync.

Hmm - mine are clearly different even at around 3000 rpm (eg 5.62, 4.37).
Is that a problem?

Thanks for your other helpful comments.

David

[Don Eilenberger]

At 10:03 AM 10/19/2009, you wrote:

> > No - there is no sensor. The GS-911 is reading the number of steps the
> > ECU thinks the two steppers are at. If you followed our earlier
> > conversation
> > most of the time they DO remain in sync. On some bikes they can be at
> > different positions - only at idle. Above idle they fall back into
> > sync.
>Hmm - mine are clearly different even at around 3000 rpm (eg 5.62, 4.37).
>Is that a problem?

If you're getting fractional readings it is.. steps are integers..

>Thanks for your other helpful comments.

No problem.

[Stephan Thiel]

hi David,

what values are these (5.62 and 4.37) ?

best,
Stephan

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[David Stevenson]

Hi Stephan

Yes, sorry, these are in fact the knock sensor values. I saw Don's inline
comment underneath my comment about the knock sensor but in fact his comment
was referring to the idle actuator, and I misread it all in my haste (in
between work items). I decided not to confuse things on the group even more
by trying to explain it (as I am doing now on both counts!). But since you
asked...

In fact my Idle Actuator settings are in sync as Don suggests.

Anyway, the bike runs well as far as I can tell, so I am inclined not to
mess about with it (or let the new local BMW dealer mess about with it).

Thanks to all who gave advice.

David