Re: Growl Notifications disappear from Notification Center

[Daniel Siemer]

This was something intentional on our part. We are removing
notifications which aren't flagged as sticky from NC after 2 minutes.
We are open to discussion on this behavior of course, we got no
feedback on it during beta, so it remained in for the final shipped
version.

On Sep 24, 9:08 am, Dennis Quek <dennisq2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Me too, I just installed Growl 2.0 from Apps Store. Previously on Hiss, my
> growl notification stay in the ML notification panel, now it will disappear
> after 2min. What am I doing wrong? Please advise.

[Chris Forsythe]

What's the use of a notification that sticks around when you have a nice sidebar with a summary of your notifications there? If you want to talk about usability, let's talk about it. This isn't a bug, this is intentional, since this is how Growl notifications work. It's assumed that users of Growl want notifications to behave like Growl, but to just show up in NC.

So if you want to talk about fixing something, that's the wrong way to think about this. The real issue is expectations in the new NC world. I'm willing to discuss it, but only if we think about the solution for 90% of people. But it's not a bug to fix since it's intentional, so keep that in mind.

Think about notifications and how you use them, how everyone you know would use them, and then think about why it should be the way you want it. Then write down an explanation about why that is, why you want it that way. That's where this conversation should start. We thought about this for a while and decided that NC should act like just another Growl display for us. So if it should be different let's talk about it, as Daniel mentioned.

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On Monday, September 24, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Dennis Quek wrote:

Dear Growl Developer,

Any workaround for now? What is the use of disappearing notification after 2 min, notification should stay until i read it. What use-case from the public that wants a disappearing notifications? Please fix it.

Regards,

Dennis

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[Dennis Quek]

Let me describe a use case for you.. I got twitter messages coming in say, two message comes in at a interval on 1 min apart. At this moment it flashes the growl on top right corner and went into the os

[Dennis Quek]

When into the os x nc, I am in the middle of work on my laptop or I didn't manage to catch a glimse on the tweet message. I went back to nc after 10 min, nothing there.... Do u really think this is what majority wants?

Now that your apps is a paying apps and I am a right paying customer and this kind of attitude you are giving me?

I am not sure what culture u r from in USA or what but from a customer point of view we have the right to voice our dismay in your product and not telling customer how stupid we are!

This is just mu bad luck, I always trust growl developer can do a better job and shock to receive such crude remark from u..

Is not about the money I paid but take pride to making customer is what I look for in u. Cheers

[Chris Forsythe]

I never said you were stupid. Quite the contrary. I said to think about the scenario and write out what problems our solution solves and doesn't solve, and what the proposed change solves and doesn't solve, and to think about how that affects more people than just yourself in doing so. I don't think this is rude at all, it involves you in the thought process here. I think you misunderstood what I was saying.

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[Chris Forsythe]

Also you see nothing in the sidebar for notification center like this?

Screen-Shot-2012-07-25-at-5.14.31-PM.png

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On Monday, September 24, 2012 at 10:53 PM, Dennis Quek wrote:

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[Dennis Quek]

I am not seeing anything in the sidebar for notification centre.

I attached two screen shots here. 

Base on the time stamp, 5.50pm one Growl message came in alerting me Adium someone login. 

At 5.52 pm the alert in NC is gone.

I understand your reasoning on disappearing growl message in NC, but it serves no purpose if it is not inside NC for later viewing. NC is meant to be view later, NC is not like growl.. your growl works perfectly but once u put it inside NC, it should follow NC rules... meaning stick there.  

I give u an example, Facebook notification stick there and will not disappear. Are you implying facebook doing it wrong?

[James]

Couldn't we just put a checkbox under the OS X notifications switch to say whether OS X growl -> NC notifications are sticky or not?

[Chris Forsythe]

No, we can figure out the right approach without a checkbox.

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[Chris Forsythe]

So when you have 45 Facebook notifications what happens then? :)

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[Christopher Forsythe]

We're looking at how to change NC in 2.1. I'm seeing here you guys are talking about it disappearing not being right. But what is, is my question. I understand on the sticky bit, but I need a detailed description of what you are seeing from other applications so that we can discuss what to do on our end.

Chris

On Oct 28, 2012, at 12:08 PM, Andrew Beers <acb...@gmail.com> wrote:

Doesn't NC handle this by letting you choose how many updates to show here?  I agree with the other posters here - having notifications disappear by default makes them useless in NC. I can't think of another app that makes its notifications disappear before being read or dismissed by the user.

BTW, I'm using the Python library to send some notifications, and even when those are sticky they still disappear from NC after two minutes.
Andrew

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[Yann Ricquebourg]

Hi All,

Now that Mavericks forced me into leaving the Bark plugin for Growl native forwarding to Notification Centter,
I was struggling to understand why the hell my Growl notifications forwarded (natively by Growl) to Apple Notification Center were vanishing magically from the history drawer...

Here seems to be the answer in that thread. I'm not totally satisfied, but at least I can understand that magic!

As Stefan asked, is there any change on that behavior?
Is it still "hard-coded" in Growl that its notifications forwarded Apple Notification Center will be removed from the drawer 2 minutes after being displayed? (I think the answer is "yes" according to what I observe to be puzzling, but since Chris wrote things could be changed in Growl 2.1...)

Best regards,

-Yann.

On Monday, February 11, 2013 9:10:43 PM UTC+1, Stefan Wrobel wrote:

What's the status on this? I've been baffled by why my growl notifications don't show up in the history when I open the NC drawer. I guess this explains now. A checkbox to remove the 2min timeout in 2.1 would be greatly appreciated!

On Monday, October 29, 2012 12:03:37 AM UTC-7, Christopher Forsythe wrote:

We're looking at how to change NC in 2.1. I'm seeing here you guys are talking about it disappearing not being right. But what is, is my question. I understand on the sticky bit, but I need a detailed description of what you are seeing from other applications so that we can discuss what to do on our end.

Chris

[Stefan Wrobel]

I would say the correct behavior is to emulate the way that regular NC notifications behave when NC forwarding is enabled. I think that as users, we expect NC to behave like NC. Honestly if I wanted growl-style functionality I would have growl display its own notifications, but I like NC better.

On Monday, October 29, 2012 12:03:37 AM UTC-7, Christopher Forsythe wrote:

[Christopher Forsythe]

So explain in detail exactly what that behavior is. When we originally implemented this, it was based on what we observed. So to file a ticket I need detailed expectations. Getting those from someone who knows exactly what he's expecting is ideal versus going through the same analysis again and possibly getting the same results.

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[Yann Ricquebourg]

Hi,

Maybe my wishes are different from Stefan's, but I can explain my personal preferences
when redirecting Growl Notification to Apple Notification Center:

- I consider the NC visual notifications (on screen) like Growl notifications:
a way to be noticed "live", in the moment, of a particular event.
So, I'm not annoyed that notification disappear and are not sticky. That's perfect.

- I consider the Apple Notification drawer (from right side) a bit like a mix between Growl History and Roll-up.
In other words, a way to see the notifications that I missed while away, or that I saw but
I want to check when it happened or other details.
This "history", by default the last 5 items, can be parametrized per application in Apple
system preferences, and that's why I changed it to a different range for particular applications ;-)

=> Then, to sum it up, the only detail that I wish to be changed in Growl forwarding is
the automatic removing of notifications from the NC drawer after 2 minutes.
Not removing them at all would be better for me.

-Yann.

P.S. Moreover, to completely explain what would be the ideal behavior for me concerning Growl forwarding to NC:
I would love a support a bit like Bark did:
- I appreciate to gather most of my "system" notifications into centralized Apple Notification Center
- Nevertheless I don't want to forward 100% of my notifications, for different reasons:
some are "special" (like HardwareGrowler special key notifications) and better with a nice visual style
(thanks to Growl Styles) and do not need to be logged in the Notification Center history
(for instance Growl Tunes with a big display of the cover), or others are currently better with their
particular icon for each notification (like Chat applications)...

=> therefore, getting the Notification Center forwarding as a Growl notification style among others
(and not a global switch) would be better for me, to able able to disable it per application...

Christopher Forsythe wrote on 31/10/13

> So explain in detail exactly what that behavior is. When we originally implemented this, it was based on what we observed. So to file a ticket I need detailed expectations. Getting those from someone who knows exactly what he's expecting is ideal versus going through the same analysis again and possibly getting the same results.
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 5:54 PM, Stefan Wrobel <swr...@gmail.com <mailto:swr...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I would say the correct behavior is to emulate the way that regular NC notifications behave when NC forwarding is enabled. I think that as users, we expect NC to behave like NC. Honestly if I wanted growl-style functionality I would have growl display its own notifications, but I like NC better.
>
>
> On Monday, October 29, 2012 12:03:37 AM UTC-7, Christopher Forsythe wrote:
>
> We're looking at how to change NC in 2.1. I'm seeing here you guys are talking about it disappearing not being right. But what is, is my question. I understand on the sticky bit, but I need a detailed description of what you are seeing from other applications so that we can discuss what to do on our end.
>
> Chris
>
> On Oct 28, 2012, at 12:08 PM, Andrew Beers <acb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Doesn't NC handle this by letting you choose how many updates to show here? I agree with the other posters here - having notifications disappear by default makes them useless in NC. I can't think of another app that makes its notifications disappear before being read or dismissed by the user.
>>
>> BTW, I'm using the Python library to send some notifications, and even when those are sticky they still disappear from NC after two minutes.
>> Andrew
>>
>> On Monday, October 15, 2012 11:09:26 PM UTC-7, Christopher Forsythe wrote:
>>
>> So when you have 45 Facebook notifications what happens then? :)
>>
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>> @The_Tick <http://twitter.com/The_Tick>

>>
>> On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 at 4:59 AM, Dennis Quek wrote:
>>
>>> I am not seeing anything in the sidebar for notification centre.
>>>
>>> I attached two screen shots here.
>>>
>>> Base on the time stamp, 5.50pm one Growl message came in alerting me Adium someone login.
>>> At 5.52 pm the alert in NC is gone.
>>>
>>> I understand your reasoning on disappearing growl message in NC, but it serves no purpose if it is not inside NC for later viewing. NC is meant to be view later, NC is not like growl.. your growl works perfectly but once u put it inside NC, it should follow NC rules... meaning stick there.
>>>
>>> I give u an example, Facebook notification stick there and will not disappear. Are you implying facebook doing it wrong?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 1:58:21 PM UTC+8, Christopher Forsythe wrote:
>>>> Also you see nothing in the sidebar for notification center like this?
>>>>

>>>> Screen-Shot-2012-07-25-at-5.__14.31-PM.png <http://cdn.arstechnica.net//wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Screen-Shot-2012-07-25-at-5.14.31-PM.png>
>>>>
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>>>> @The_Tick <http://twitter.com/The_Tick>

>>>>
>>>> On Monday, September 24, 2012 at 10:53 PM, Dennis Quek wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> When into the os x nc, I am in the middle of work on my laptop or I didn't manage to catch a glimse on the tweet message. I went back to nc after 10 min, nothing there.... Do u really think this is what majority wants?
>>>>>
>>>>> Now that your apps is a paying apps and I am a right paying customer and this kind of attitude you are giving me?
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not sure what culture u r from in USA or what but from a customer point of view we have the right to voice our dismay in your product and not telling customer how stupid we are!
>>>>>
>>>>> This is just mu bad luck, I always trust growl developer can do a better job and shock to receive such crude remark from u..
>>>>>
>>>>> Is not about the money I paid but take pride to making customer is what I look for in u. Cheers
>>>>>
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[Stefan Wrobel]

Yann said it perfectly!

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[TJ Luoma]

On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 6:40 AM, Yann Ricquebourg
<yann.ric...@gmail.com> wrote:
> P.S. Moreover, to completely explain what would be the ideal behavior for me
> concerning Growl forwarding to NC:
> I would love a support a bit like Bark did:
> - I appreciate to gather most of my "system" notifications into centralized
> Apple Notification Center
> - Nevertheless I don't want to forward 100% of my notifications, for
> different reasons:
> some are "special" (like HardwareGrowler special key notifications) and
> better with a nice visual style
> (thanks to Growl Styles) and do not need to be logged in the Notification
> Center history
> (for instance Growl Tunes with a big display of the cover), or others are
> currently better with their
> particular icon for each notification (like Chat applications)...
>
> => therefore, getting the Notification Center forwarding as a Growl
> notification style among others
> (and not a global switch) would be better for me, to able able to disable it
> per application...

I really like that idea.

For example, I would probably forward most Growl notifications to NC
____EXCEPT____ that I have some instances where I use `growlnotify
--sticky` and since NC does not have a concept of "sticky" I
absolutely want those notifications to be 'sticky' so I don't use
forward-to-NC.