New tasks for the course. EXTREMELY IMPORTANT

[Vedran]

For those that didn't know/didn't participate, we just had a chat
regarding the course. It wasn't really upbeat or in a good tone
because we are behind, way behind. That's why this is important and it
needs to be done asap.

We HAVE TO finish this by Thursday, we just have to.

Anu - in the chat you were saying something about your task regarding
content, photography styles. you should upload it on the site.

Syzmon - you're in charge of making the site look better (well, look
prettier) :)

Kornelya - Igor talked about the new site structure, that you and
Syzmon should define how to upload the content.

Syzmon and i talked about this after you all left, we talked about how
to organize it all. I was thinking about organizing it like the this
course, like the moodle of this course. That means that we define
tasks that need to be done for each week, and within those tasks, we
give them reading materials, tests, etc. Our project doesn't need to
be original, it's just needs to be done.
So, in the main menu, we could have categories like "Week 1", "Week
2", ...... it's not special, nor flashy, but it could work. If you
have a better idea, tell it now.

The content (reading materials) given to "students" isn't going to be
as comprehensive as the ones given to us. There's no need to that. If
we're gonna use blogs, in the first week we tell them to open a blog,
etc.
The course moodle can be our guide.

Dunja, Iliyan and Johanna. You weren't at the chat. I don't have
specific tasks for you (Igor didn't name them) so you do what you
think is right.
You will have to work, even though you don't have a specific task.
Each of you could organize the task for a certain week (if we are
gonna organize the structure that way).

And again WE HAVE TO COMPILE THE COURSE TILL THURSDAY. (i'm extremely
sorry for using the caps)

I have an exam tomorrow, so i need to study today and tomorrow until
5pm, but after that i'm only doing this. I'm gonna be here all the
time, so if you need to ask me something, or give me some advice, you
are more then welcome to do so.

And, again, sorry for the caps and the tone in which this post was
written, but i hope you understand the urgency of the situation.

If anyone want to see the chat history (the log), the can contact me
and i will send it to him.

Thanks, bye

[Dunja Patafta]

Thank you for the update. I couldn't participate i'm sorry but i'll definitely do everything i can to make this course work. I understand that Kornelya and Syzmon will define how the content will be uploaded so i can take one part of the photography and make a weekly course for this part. Just a proposition- we can put only few weeks (3 max) only but we can make it really good then. I'm for this idea with weeks. Don't have to be much. I have same situation as Vedran, i'll be home at about eight in the evening and then I'll get busy with the course.

[Vedran]

Ok, glad to hear you're on board ;)

I think the weeks idea would be good (thanks for support). Btw, i
think we should do at least 4 (weeks), because Igor said the course
should be a month long. And 4 weeks is almost one month.

[Anu]

I agree with you, four weeks could be good.
We can divide the content for example in these four sections: 1.
history of photography (how and when was the camera invented) 2.
cameras and other equipment (what kinds of cameras are there, how does
a camera work) 3. photographing (the technique, some technical tips
maybe) 4. photography styles and types (different styles of
photography, photography as an art form). I think we already have
material for all these topics or almost all of them.

We could write a small introduction for all the four sections, and
then add links to the materials and also make some exercises if we
want. What do you say about that?

[Anu]

This is an example of what I meant in my last post. Here are an
introduction and links for the lesson of photography styles. The
material seems large, but actually it isn’t. I didn’t add it to Google
sites because the structure isn’t ready yet. When it’s ready, the
person in charge can add these introduction and links to our learning
environment, if you agree with this suggestion of course. What would
you say, if we make this kind of a introduction for every week’s
lesson?

***************The introductions starts here******************

Photography styles throughout history

This lesson traces the progress of photography from its invention in
the 1830s until today, focusing on its role in shaping modern Western
visual culture and following its development as both an art form and a
practical tool for documentation. It also looks at the effects of
photography’s evolution from a technically complex process requiring
considerable skill to one that is available to anyone who can press a
button.

This weeks article includes these chapters:

1. Introduction
2. Origins
3. Invention
4. Early Uses
a) Portraiture
b) Views of Distant Lands
5. War and the West
6. A Tool of Science and Social Progress
7. In the Service of Art
8. A Populist Revolution
9. Pictorialism: An Artistic Revolt
10. 20th Century: Commercial Functions
a) Color Photography
b) Fashion
11. 20th Century: A Modern Art
12. Postwar Photography: Interactions

Here’s the link to the article.
http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761575598/History_of_Photography.html

Additional link to a brief history of photographic styles. The text is
illustrated with plenty of nice pictures.
http://www.eyeconart.net/history/photography.htm

***************And ends here************************

[Szymon Waliczek]

My proposition:
1. Everything could be on only one page. We can create a something like MAIN MENU. There would be a links to the right place on this page. It would be a main page our course. (I hope that you understand me :) ).

2. I think that second "big page" could be about 4 weeks. Anu wrote about 4 sections (1 week = 1 section). It would be on this page.

3. Third "big page" is a Group 6 - about us... :D:D:D

What do you think about it?

BW

[Dunja Patafta]

I think we should stick exactley to that. that way it will be easy to navigate through

[Anu]

Yeah, it's important to keep the site and the main menu simple.

On 27 touko, 14:44, "Szymon Waliczek" <kostek.bov...@gmail.com> wrote:
> My proposition:

> 1. Everything could be on only *one page*. We can create a something like

[Szymon Waliczek]

So Can I do it?

[Szymon Waliczek]

Vedran, very good idea with new image our Google Site!

I changed something. I'm creating "Main menu" now, but I don't know what I will do with 2. Final assessment and pages, which I gave on first big bage...

I added a new big page: Materials. There are a sub pages: Additional resources, General principles of picture taking, Photography Techniques.

[Vedran]

I started changing the main menu too, as you can see. I was thinking
about removing the recently used bar and putting the page bar because
students don't need that. And in the page bar we can have some of the
more important pages. There we can put link to the evaluation page,
etc.
I have the concept in my head, i just have to publish it on the google
site :)

Btw. Anu, korneliya, johanna, iliyan, two of you could do the tasks
and materials for weeks 2 and 3. You have a lot of it already, it just
needs to be structured. Anu wrote the other day about how weeks should
be structured (activities for each week), you could use that.
Anu said that week 3 could be photography technique and tips, and week
4 could be photography styles and types.

[Vedran]

Btw, we should to something about the site structure. I looked at the
sitemap and it's not looking good. Being this is a website, there is
no real need for organizing it like a book, i.e. by chapters 1., 1.1.,
2., 2.1., 2.2., 2.2.1., etc.
I'm trying to figure it out how to organize it better, but can't think
of anything. And i also realized that any organizing will require
organization on a page level, that means every page will have to be
specially configured. I will look what i can do, but i don't think it
should stay like this.

If you have any ideas, please tell me. Thank you.

[Vedran]

Me again.

I just wanted to ask you of anyone would mind if i deleted their
(unnecessary) pages. There is a lot of pages that are just empty and
useless. I have to delete them if i want to organize the site.

I would be very thankful if someone started to work on weeks 3 and 4.
Actually, Dunja said she's gonna do the week 3, so....could anyone
just do the week 4? I would do it myself, but i have to organize the
site, i don't have the time to do it. We can't leave it like this.


Thank you.

[Korneliya]

Hi,
about the new structure and content.
It looks good. If Anu is ready with Photography styles throughout
history she can add the content as week 4 as she proposed.
And there are several problems in my opinion:
In the "Group 6- about us" section pictures are missing : at least on
my computer?
In the week 1 there is a part 2 which is empty
I think that each task at the end of each week should be with the same
font and size as the other information on the page
Blogger and all external links shuld be opened in new window ( i think
so I ma not sure)
I ma not sure if violet color of subtitles is appropriate and I do not
like the idea to use yellow and red mark some of the content - it is
too coloured....
just an idea
All pages should be linked. after the first week you must be able to
access the second one without using the main menu
The test in week 2 can be smaller and they can be placed by pairs:
first tow pictures that should be compared oon the first row and
second pair on the next
The task for the second week is described once and it is described
once again in the tasks description which can be comfusing for the
students in my opinion
I am not sure if the tasks descripton should be centered and maybe it
will be better to use numbers.
If we decide to use content for each page as it is for the fisrt week
you have to add content for all pages
About week 3 : i ma not sure if we can give the students a test before
explain anything. There must be a lesson before testing.
For any reason wekk 3 is missing from the menu on the left- main menu.
It is not clear how srudents performance will be evaluated?
Unless the blogger there is no desciption of collaborative environment
and there is no list of participant in the course
How they will communicate ?
And we can romove the recents activities from the sitebar
What do you think ?

[Vedran]

I will remove recent activities from the site later (i already said so
on the site).

Thank you Korneliya for your suggestions, i really needed them. I've
been working on the site all day, i'm getting lost.
I'm gonna sort out the site itself, the structure, the pages, links,
etc. What i want from the rest of you is too do the weeks 3 and 2.
Week 3 was just a suggestion from Dunja i think. It's nowhere near
done.

I'm gonna work on fonts, try to make all the fonts the same. I'm
thinking Verdana will do. About yellow stuff, i agree, i'll change
that too.
I'm also gonna edit the week 2, and week 1 mistakes that have been
made (the things you pointed out). I didn't touch week 1 because
that's Dunja's project, and i thought she will add the part too.

So, all you need to do is to upload the weeks 3 and 4. Don't worry
where you'll upload it, i can easily organize it later. And one more
thing. You should just upload content regarding the weeks, no need for
additional content. I think Simon uploaded some materials today, i
organized it so they will be additional material for students that
want to know more. I didn't want anything to go to waste. I only
deleted empty pages and pages that had very little (mostly useless)
text on them.

[Korneliya]

Hi again.
look at the criteria for evaluation:
http://www.valnet-emim.eu/mod/resource/view.php?id=815
We have to add course objectives, some types of assessment and it will
be good to declare how students performane will be evaluated
I have used proposal of Ilian in the previous version of the course
and we can add the document for List of evaluation criteria as a
feedback form.
(it is a requirement for well-developed course)
in the previous version of the course I used the final version of the
document about Evaluation Criteria for an On-line Course

And just a prosposal - we have enough material about history of
photography. We can use it as a content for one week instead of
missing learning materials.
And i think that somewhhere we have to describe environment.
There are a lot of tool on the top of the page if you are signed in :
Mail Calendar Documents Photos Reader Web more
so we can use them to describe some group activities because according
to criteria for evaluation assignments have to support course
objectives, favour self-directed learning, and favour collaborative
learning and knowledge building.

We have to add some group activities and more collaborative and
communicative tools e.g. E-mail, IM :gtalk, skype, icq, Virtual
meeting, Tool for collaborative group work and project managemen, and
Social tools, forums, ……..
because I declared our learning theory as Socially situated learning
for Communities of practice :
http://groups.google.com/group/group6ib/web/good-principles?hl=en

This is another criterion for evaluation of the course- Elements that
support certain learning theories have been used to realize course
objectives


One exercise can be to find appropriate social network where they can
find information about how to find appropriate camera at best price
like "Digital Cameras Help Centre Helping you to find the right
digital camera at the best price"
just a proposal

Another appropriate resurce is How Photo Sharing Works we can use it
as a lesson instead of missing materila.And the exercise for social
networking is appropriate for this lesson... (maybe)

and forget for the content about week 4 ( unless we use what Anu has
prepared)
This week could be a group project

[Vedran]

I see no one posted anything on the site yet. You have ideas, great,
but put them into action. You're writing here about what should be
done and asking our approval, but we don't have time for that.
Your ideas are good, now put them to good use. Change something on the
site, add something. No one is reading this accept me anyway :)

We can do this....if you have an idea that YOU think would be good, do
it. When all is done, what is unnecessary will be deleted, but right
now, we have to make something, not just talk/write about it.

Thank you Korneliya, but now everything that you wrote in the previous
post just....just make it happen.

Btw, sorry if i seem bossy :)

[Vedran]

PS: Regarding the link to open in a new window. I can't find that
option. The link tool is rather limited, i just don't know how to make
it open in a new window. I tried to make it work even before you
mentioned it, but i just don't know how.
If you figure it out, be sure to tell me.

[Anu]

I made the page for week 4. Is it ok? Please feel free to make changes
and corrections if needed. As Korneliya proposed, we can save the week
4 for a group project and change the topic of Photography styles for
week 3. We don’t have to teach how to take photos at all if we don’t
want to, we have tips and tutorials in the other section anyway if
students are interested. It’s a very practical topic and hard to learn
from the books or other tutorials. But, I have an idea how to figure
it out though. I think the group work could be for example, that all
the students must practise taking photos, and then they put them into
the blog or we can connect Korneliya’s idea about the photo sharing
aspect to this lesson, and ask students to download the photos to some
photo sharing application on the web. Then they for example have to
comment and review each others photos based on the reading materials
about the techniques of photographing and all the things they’ve
learned in the course. That could happen in small groups or something
like that. This could be a nice, not so serious way to learn
photographing.:) What do you think?

[Dunja Patafta]

I definitely agree with this. I made week three and there are tasks which include taking pictures and putting them on blog, if you could just in week four,that you're doing,put a final project for the student to do exactley that,comment each other photos on blog and if you have time to realize some of the ideas you just proposed.

[Anu]

Ok. I also change the order of weeks 3 and 4, so the group work is
last weeks task. The last task could be a bit bigger than others. Now
the instruction is to publish it in blog, but if someone knows a nice
image sharing application, please change the instructions. I don't
have any experience about them.
Ok for everyone? Good, I'll do it. (nobody comments anyway because
everyone's sleeping...) =D

On 29 touko, 00:15, "Dunja Patafta" <jackson.shel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I definitely agree with this. I made week three and there are tasks which
> include taking pictures and putting them on blog, if you could just in week
> four,that you're doing,put a final project for the student to do exactley
> that,comment each other photos on blog and if you have time to realize some
> of the ideas you just proposed.
>

[Anu]

I changed my mind, I don't change the order of the weeks, because then
there isn't enough time for commenting. Commenting can be a task of
week 4, photography styles, and it can replace the former task 3. So
the students take photos on week 3 and comment each other's photos on
week 4.

[Anu]

And here are my comments on almost everything…
Nice work! The page is much more logical now. And I like the wooden
theme. By the way, if you want to delete the picture I’ve made, go
ahead. It takes maybe too much space in the main page. Though I have a
smaller and wider version of it too…
I also like the structure, Vedran is right, the site doesn’t have to
look like a book. We must take an advantage of the possibilities that
web and hypertext provides. When all the pages are ready, we could add
the return links. Then we can unify the layout of the page, make sure
that we have the same fonts and font sizes in every page. I can take
care of that when the content of the site is ready.

The images of cameras in the week 2 materials could be smaller, unless
the purpose is to show the cameras in actual size??

I absolutely agree with all Korneliya’s suggestions of the page
layout. There should be enough links backwards and it is confusing if
there’s same information in two different places. Yellow color isn’t
good at screen. I took the right to make some of these changes.:)

In addition it’s good idea to delete the recent acticity bar but just
after the site is finished because it comes very handy now in the
design process if you want to check the recent updates.

I agree with Korneliya that if we decide to use content for each page
as it is for the fisrt week we have to add content for all pages. We
have to keep the consistency of the site. As Igor said, for the
copyright issues it is essential to mark the sources of the text or
just use links. I found actually only one good web page about
photographing styles, and I had to use it as a link, because it’s
quite long to scroll and there’s a separate picture gallery about the
topic. We should consider to do the same for the first weeks page
also.

The third task in week 2 is pretty easy.:) There could be some
additional questions like: what’s wrong with the photo of bad digital
camera and what could have caused it? It would be nice idea to add the
Korneliya’s suggestion of finding appropriate social network where
students can find information about how to find appropriate camera at

best price like "Digital Cameras Help Centre Helping you to find the

right digital camera at the best price". It could be a task number 4,
because it fits the topic.

Korneliya said the In the "Group 6- about us" section pictures are
missing. They seem to be ok in my computer now. When I look at the
site with Internet Explorer 6, there are two of these ”image missing
symbols” (you know what I mean?) above Igor’s photo. Opera and Firefox
don’t show these icons nor any photos there. I don’t know what they
are, they don’t seem to exist in the edit page. But Internet Explorer
6 sucks anyway – the web designers biggest enemy.;)

As I said in chat the Google sites is pretty limited regarding some
features and I neither can find a way to set the links open to a new
window. It’s really weird, as this is also a copyright issue, because
it does matter whether the sited link is opened in the same or new
window. But I don’t think we got into troubles for that, it’s so
common nowadays.;)

Now that I’ve given my comments, I can get into work.=)

[Vedran]

Thanks Anu, it's really nice to see someone actually doing something.
I'm seriously running out of ideas now. I just make stuff up as i go
along.
You're right about the pictures in week 2, i will make them smaller,
i've been actually trying to do that for so long now, but i always get
distracted.
Btw, i edited some pages and changed the font. Most font on the site
are Verdana, 12. So i think that all fonts should be that. If it's ok.
It is a little big font, but it makes it look like there's a lot of
content :)
I will add the task to the week 2 as you proposed. Thanks

PS: I removed the attachment option from the pages, so now there's
just the comment bar. I thought it would be nice for participants to
be able to comment on the material, or point out what may be wrong,
etc.
It can be removed if you think that would be better.

[Vedran]

Hey, me again. I edited some things on the site, it can honestly say
it doesn't look bad now :)

I used your advice Anu about tasks for week 2 so i added two more. I
really like the 5th task. Basically, they have 200€ and they have to
pick out a digital camera. In their blog they will have to write the
reason why the took that one. I gave them a good link with a lot of
camera reviews.

You and Korneliya said some stuff about the links. I don't think they
are really necessary because above every page there is a path to get
there (much like in forums), so if they wanna go one step back, they
just click above the page, and they're there.
Also, there are 2 navigation sidebars, one containing the main menu
(weeks) and sitemap and one containing other pages that aren't linked
specifically to a certain week.

Also, should i remove the recent activity bar? I tested it if it shows
comments, it does. So it can be useful for future participants, they
can see who commented on what and where. I personally don't know if i
should leave it or remove it. You decide?

Btw, what happened to Iliyan, Johanna and Korneliya? I haven't seen
them on the site.

[Johanna Kauppila]

Here I am. I'm sorry that I participated to the chat meeting. We have
had a busy week at work so my thoughts have been away from this
course. But I'm now willing to do what ever is needed. So is there
still something to do?

[Korneliya]

hi,
about :

"Thank you Korneliya, but now everything that you wrote in the
previous
post just....just make it happen. "

I have been telling you the same thing for the last 3 weeks (at least)
Not to discuss but to do something and if you do not see me on the
site have a look at the history...
:-)))

i really do not see our picture on the group 6 page but may be this is
only my problem.
Links can be opened in new window if you edit the html code
There is different information published on the site:

"Orientation

The course provides learning materials for each four weeks.
You can use collaborative and communicative tools in order to exchange
ideas, ask questions and develop your group project. You can find
information about your instructor and other students in the course in
the list of participants.
You have to follow the schedule of the course and at the end
of the learning you have to take your final exam and make a
presentation of the group work of your team."


and

"Students are scored based on their activity in the course. There will
be no special tests (except the assigments as a part of the weekly
tasks) so the grade will be based solely on activity on your blog and
general activity on this site. "

[Korneliya]

There is no group activities except review on the photos published in
the blogs

And pages Additional resources, Evaluation criteria and Participants
list are not linked anywhere and it is not clear what to do with them
Centered main menu was a better idea in my opinion

On May 29, 11:53 am, Vedran <Vedran....@gmail.com> wrote:

[Igor]

Dearl all,

I'm very proud on you. Yes, I went through the course and all I can
say is that with no problem you could have ended it sooner because you
are very very capable of doing whatever is needed :). I don't see all
of you participating... What's with the Ilyian?

I can't access Internet easily, so the next time I will have chance to
look at your pages will be on Sunday. I think there will be the need
for chat. Monday or Tuesday? Please try to define times and we will
vote on them. You must find an external evaluator. Dusan Mundjar, from
the Faculty of organization and informatics can be one of the
evaluators since he will get his e-learning certificate for course
design in just couple of weeks. Try to find two evaluators more for
objective evaluation.

Please receive my best regards from Germany and (today) from France!

I.B.

On May 26, 10:10 pm, Vedran <Vedran....@gmail.com> wrote:
> For those that didn't know/didn't participate, we just had a chat
> regarding the course. It wasn't really upbeat or in a good tone
> because we are behind, way behind. That's why this is important and it
> needs to be done asap.
>
> We HAVE TO finish this by Thursday, we just have to.
>
> Anu - in the chat you were saying something about your task regarding
> content, photography styles. you should upload it on the site.
>
> Syzmon - you're in charge of making the site look better (well, look
> prettier) :)
>
> Kornelya - Igor talked about the new site structure, that you and
> Syzmon should define how to upload the content.
>
> Syzmon and i talked about this after you all left, we talked about how
> to organize it all. I was thinking about organizing it like the this
> course, like the moodle of this course. That means that we define
> tasks that need to be done for each week, and within those tasks, we
> give them reading materials, tests, etc. Our project doesn't need to
> be original, it's just needs to be done.
> So, in the main menu, we could have categories like "Week 1", "Week
> 2", ...... it's not special, nor flashy, but it could work. If you
> have a better idea, tell it now.
>
> The content (reading materials) given to "students" isn't going to be
> as comprehensive as the ones given to us. There's no need to that. If
> we're gonna use blogs, in the first week we tell them to open a blog,
> etc.
> The course moodle can be our guide.
>
> Dunja, Iliyan and Johanna. You weren't at the chat. I don't have
> specific tasks for you (Igor didn't name them) so you do what you
> think is right.
> You will have to work, even though you don't have a specific task.
> Each of you could organize the task for a certain week (if we are
> gonna organize the structure that way).
>
> And again WE HAVE TO COMPILE THE COURSE TILL THURSDAY. (i'm extremely
> sorry for using the caps)
>
> I have an exam tomorrow, so i need to study today and tomorrow until
> 5pm, but after that i'm only doing this. I'm gonna be here all the
> time, so if you need to ask me something, or give me some advice, you
> are more then welcome to do so.
>
> And, again, sorry for the caps and the tone in which this post was
> written, but i hope you understand the urgency of the situation.
>
> If anyone want to see the chat history (the log), the can contact me
> and i will send it to him.
>
> Thanks, bye

[Vedran]

korneliya said: "about :

"Thank you Korneliya, but now everything that you wrote in the
previous
post just....just make it happen. "
I have been telling you the same thing for the last 3 weeks (at least)
Not to discuss but to do something and if you do not see me on the
site have a look at the history... "

Well, we did something, and now we have become the ones that are
telling people to do stuff, you are a very good teacher :) your
methods are remarkable :)
Ok, enough joking.

About the conflicting information. I really didn't know what to do so
i just wrote some stuff, i kinda hope some one will notice and make it
better.
This course is not a group course (like ours), right? I mean, there's
not much point. Photographers are mostly alone, they do stuff by
themselves. I don't see a point in working in a group.
And i put the activity based scoring/grading because that way we don't
have to make up any tests :)

Btw, today is supposed to be the end day, the day we have to be over.
What now, what do we do? I posted the link to the course on my blog,
but i don't know really what to do next.
Has anyone talked to Igor?

[Vedran]

Scratch that last part with Igor :)

[Dunja Patafta]

As much as i've seen, everyone have been giving the link of their course and putting it under comments here on the main page  http://htk.tlu.ee/elearning/ under week 11-comments. We can also put it there right?

[Vedran]

Korneliya said:
"And pages Additional resources, Evaluation criteria and Participants
list are not linked anywhere and it is not clear what to do with them
Centered main menu was a better idea in my opinion"

Those pages aren't linked to anything because they aren't the part of
the course, i mean, they are a part of the course, but not the part of
the weeks. There are links to the pages on the right, so anyone can
access them. All pages within the site are accessible, in one way or
another.

You could ad those link to the main menu inside the main page if you
want.
Btw, i have another idea. On the main page, we could have a saying
that goes "If you're interested in enrolling in this course, klick
here" and the link would lead to participants.
That way it actually feels like you're enrolling.
Just a suggestion.

[Vedran]

Yes Dunja, i guess we could put it there.
You can put right now (if everyone's doing it, then i guess it's ok)

[Dunja Patafta]

ok.

 

On 5/29/08, Vedran <Vedra...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Anu]

The font size 12 and Verdana are ok, let’s stick to that. The idea
about comment bar is ok, we just have to instruct the students to use
it.

The idea of enrolment link sounds good.:)

I meant the additional questions about bad camera’s photo actually as
a part of the task 3 in week 2… I meant, that students should justify
why they think that the picture in case has been taken with the good/
bad digital camera. But as Vedran’s task 5 for week 2 is excellent
(!), maybe we don’t need the whole task 4.

Ok, maybe we don’t need anymore links.:)

You’re right, the recent site activity bar could come handy for the
students too. There’s also RSS feed possibility though. In my opinion
it can stay.

We should decide whether we include the exam to the course or not. In
my opinion we donät need the exam. There’s enough to do even without
it. The second description fits better the current version of the
course. Maybe we should encourage the students to keep an eye on other
students’ blogs too. There could also be more group actions, as
Korneliya pointed out.

And it’s ok to put the link of our course site to the E-learning blog.

[Johanna Kauppila]

Ok. I updated the mainpage a bit. Nothing radical. I just added couple
of sentences to some parts and added one more objective to the course.
To be honest I wasnt sure what I could change or was it ok if I added
this one etc..

[Szymon Waliczek]

Wow! You are wonderful! Now I don't know what I do... :)

[Szymon Waliczek]

Hi... I know that is late, but I have important news...

On the beginning, Sorry for my English... :) It's too late...

I sent for everyone a invite to the Google docs. It's a questionnaire form. I think that if you want to change something (it's good idea) you will know how do it... I hope! :) It's a new propositions Google.

Best wishes...

Aaaa... Zapomniałbym... Sorry, only English! I forgot... We must add the link to our Google site somewhere, and on Google Site add link to questionnaire form, but if you accept questionnaire form I will do it.

Good night! :D:D:D:D:D:D and nice dreams...

[Anu]

I took a look at it, but I don't actually know how the questionnaire
works in Google docs. But I think it is a good idea.:)

And don't worry, it's always later here in Finland.=)

[Korneliya]

Hi,
about my teaching methods: :-PPP
:-)
If we follow the idea for Socially situated learning and lerning
theory as Communities of practice it should be a group learning
Additional pages sould be linked somewhere in the content ( in the
description of group work or somewhere else..)
I do not know how to use Google Docs too. I am sorry

It was funny as I supposed in the beginning of the course...
:-)

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[Korneliya]

We have to organize a peer-assessment on group product (prototypes of
e-learning courses) using the voting system to assess the course
quality
for this reason I created a voting in the Doodle :
http://www.doodle.ch/participation.html?pollId=m7tsn3xqr7gv56bd
But i ma not sure at all where it should be published...

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[Szymon Waliczek]

Hi
Korneliya, I checked my gmail and I have a information, that you don't give a invite to Google docs. Please, write to me about it :)

How can we use a Google Docs?
When you went to yours accont in Google Docs and opened Evaluation iCamp6, you will see a main page, when will be a answers on our questionnaire form.
If you want to see a questionnaire form, you must click Edit or resend form below F :)...

I think that this way is the easiest!

BW

[Vedran]

Hey guys (and girls). The form looks good, great idea someone (i can't
remember who suggested it). As you can see, i didn't do much on the
site yesterday, i just don't know what to do.

If anyone has some ideas, i can do my best do fulfill them. I honestly
don't know what to do with the site. Is it safe to say that we're
done?

Btw, what next?