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Chad Small

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May 14, 2009, 11:42:10 PM5/14/09
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Depot? Near downtown location. I've been to a couple events here and
was an ok venue. Cost might be a factor.

http://www.thedepotminneapolis.com/default.asp

other city/venues?

@chadsmall

Shaun Jurgemeyer

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May 15, 2009, 1:14:53 AM5/15/09
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The cities that have been thrown out there have been
Twin Cities
Chicago
St Louis

It seems like we're mainly focused on the TC right now, but it's
probably good to keep our options open this early in the game. I'm
certainly biased towards the TC though.

The only other specific suggestion for a venue we've had so far is the
U of M Campus Club where Citcon was held. I plan to do some
additional research this weekend to get a list of options together and
I'll find out prices next week. If anyone has specific suggestions,
or pricing information already, feel free to post it to the group.

Bill Turner

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May 17, 2009, 9:27:15 AM5/17/09
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My opinion is its Minneapolis or Chicago. I am biased towards MSP
because of location and also because logistically it would be far
easier for GUM members to organize. We know MSP pretty well. Chicago
has a lot of great alternative attractions to lure attendees. I do
believe geeks have interests outside of code ;-)

When I get back to town, I'll call up a few event coordinators at
local hotels. As I stated at the meeting the other night, it seemed to
me the space was given free under certain conditions. When I know the
conditions, I'll post.

Hamlet D'Arcy

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May 17, 2009, 8:53:23 PM5/17/09
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The more I think about it, the more I think MSP is best. Most the
people on the list are here already!

Bill, see if you can get a chance to talk to Soren @ GR8. Maybe he has
some advice for us, especially regarding sponsors.
--
Hamlet D'Arcy
haml...@gmail.com

Bill Turner

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May 18, 2009, 5:05:13 AM5/18/09
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I've spoken with Jim Shingler about coming to our conference. He is
open to it, depending on logistics. He also suggested we talk with
Chris Judd. He stated that Chris is a good speaker.

I've also spoken with Guillaume. He is open to speaking as well.
Again, I am sure it is about logistics. He said it would be a lot
easier if the conference was on a weekday. One thing few Americans
realize is how rare it is for Europeans to work weekends. Guillaume
stated that his wife would hurt him if he worked another weekend. ;-)
So, maybe we need to consider a two day conference, perhaps Friday/
Saturday, and maybe allow people to buy for one day, the other, or
both (at some savings, likely).

Next break, I'll talk with more people.

On May 17, 7:53 pm, "Hamlet D'Arcy" <hamlet...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The more I think about it, the more I think MSP is best. Most the
> people on the list are here already!
>
> Bill, see if you can get a chance to talk to Soren @ GR8. Maybe he has
> some advice for us, especially regarding sponsors.
>
> On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Bill Turner <worldwidewi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > My opinion is its Minneapolis or Chicago. I am biased towards MSP
> > because of location and also because logistically it would be far
> > easier for GUM members to organize. We know MSP pretty well. Chicago
> > has a lot of great alternative attractions to lure attendees. I do
> > believe geeks have interests outside of code ;-)
>
> > When I get back to town, I'll call up a few event coordinators at
> > local hotels. As I stated at the meeting the other night, it seemed to
> > me the space was given free under certain conditions. When I know the
> > conditions, I'll post.
>
> --
> Hamlet D'Arcy
> hamlet...@gmail.com

Bill Turner

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May 18, 2009, 7:41:16 AM5/18/09
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I've spoken with Dierk Konig regarding speaking. He is willing as
well, but would need it to be in October. He and his wife are
expecting a child in September.

I've also spoken with Soeren. He had a lot of info about organizing
and is willing to share. Getting sponsors was just a matter of
contacting them. Getting the word out was done by contacting the JUGs/
GUGs, and he really encouraged the use of twitter. He also said that
we could possibly use the GR8 brand, but had to run it by his JUG's
board first. There might be a cost, that might be as simple as giving
a free pass.

BTW - a few of the people I've spoken with strongly suggest that the
conference be at least two days.

Shaun Jurgemeyer

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May 18, 2009, 9:37:24 AM5/18/09
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Hi Bill,

What are the reasons people have for making the conference 2 days?  Is it mainly to make it seem more substantial for people traveling, or to spread out the information over a couple of days so people get burned out?  Something else?

If we were to extend to include sessions on Friday I think it might be best to keep it at half a day on Friday.  My impression is that our audience is going to contain a lot of people who are attending on their own (not company sponsored) and so would have to take off work to travel to and attend the conference. Potentially they would pay for hotel etc out of pocket which increases the cost the longer we stretch things out.

Bill Turner

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May 18, 2009, 10:25:09 AM5/18/09
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I think it is largely due to the amount of content. One day just would
not do much justice (my take on the reasons, I'll see if I can get a
better feel). If we do a half day Friday, maybe we might want to dual
track a few sessions?

Graeme has bee the most reticent about coming, mostly because he is
busy and has committed to another conference in October. He suggested
that his co-author, Jeff Brown. Also, a couple mentions were made of
someone who works (worked?) at Mutual of Omaha. I didn't catch the
name, but apparently he has written and/or done some interesting
things. Perhaps someone here knows who I am talking about. If not, I
am sure I can dig out the name.

On May 18, 8:37 am, Shaun Jurgemeyer <sjurgeme...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Bill,
>
> What are the reasons people have for making the conference 2 days?  Is it
> mainly to make it seem more substantial for people traveling, or to spread
> out the information over a couple of days so people get burned out?
> Something else?
>
> If we were to extend to include sessions on Friday I think it might be best
> to keep it at half a day on Friday.  My impression is that our audience is
> going to contain a lot of people who are attending on their own (not company
> sponsored) and so would have to take off work to travel to and attend the
> conference. Potentially they would pay for hotel etc out of pocket which
> increases the cost the longer we stretch things out.
>

Colin Harrington

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May 18, 2009, 10:55:33 AM5/18/09
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I think that MSP as a location makes the most sense, the Twin Cities has a lot to offer; we just have to be effective in communicating Minnesota's features.

Another thing to consider when it comes to location is the proximity to other conferences.  NFJS is coming to MSP on October 2-4 2009, for example.

~ Colin

Robert Fischer

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May 18, 2009, 10:58:30 AM5/18/09
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And seeing as how the organizers seem to be centralized in MSP, and MSP is a just fine hub city for
transit, I see no reason you should put yourselves out. Welcome to Meritocracy: the ones who do the
work get to define the work to be done.

~~ Robert.

Colin Harrington wrote:
> I think that MSP as a location makes the most sense, the Twin Cities has
> a lot to offer; we just have to be effective in communicating
> Minnesota's features.
>
> Another thing to consider when it comes to location is the proximity to
> other conferences. NFJS is coming to MSP on October 2-4 2009
> <http://www.nofluffjuststuff.com/conference/minneapolis/2009/10/coming_soon.html>,
> for example.
>
> ~ Colin
>
> On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Bill Turner <worldwi...@gmail.com
> <mailto:worldwi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
> I think it is largely due to the amount of content. One day just would
> not do much justice (my take on the reasons, I'll see if I can get a
> better feel). If we do a half day Friday, maybe we might want to dual
> track a few sessions?
>
> Graeme has bee the most reticent about coming, mostly because he is
> busy and has committed to another conference in October. He suggested
> that his co-author, Jeff Brown. Also, a couple mentions were made of
> someone who works (worked?) at Mutual of Omaha. I didn't catch the
> name, but apparently he has written and/or done some interesting
> things. Perhaps someone here knows who I am talking about. If not, I
> am sure I can dig out the name.
>
> On May 18, 8:37 am, Shaun Jurgemeyer <sjurgeme...@gmail.com
> <mailto:sjurgeme...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > Hi Bill,
> >
> > What are the reasons people have for making the conference 2
> days? Is it
> > mainly to make it seem more substantial for people traveling, or
> to spread
> > out the information over a couple of days so people get burned out?
> > Something else?
> >
> > If we were to extend to include sessions on Friday I think it
> might be best
> > to keep it at half a day on Friday. My impression is that our
> audience is
> > going to contain a lot of people who are attending on their own
> (not company
> > sponsored) and so would have to take off work to travel to and
> attend the
> > conference. Potentially they would pay for hotel etc out of
> pocket which
> > increases the cost the longer we stretch things out.
> >
> > On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 6:41 AM, Bill Turner
> <worldwidewi...@gmail.com <mailto:worldwidewi...@gmail.com>>wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > I've spoken with Dierk Konig regarding speaking. He is willing as
> > > well, but would need it to be in October. He and his wife are
> > > expecting a child in September.
> >
> > > I've also spoken with Soeren. He had a lot of info about organizing
> > > and is willing to share. Getting sponsors was just a matter of
> > > contacting them. Getting the word out was done by contacting
> the JUGs/
> > > GUGs, and he really encouraged the use of twitter. He also said
> that
> > > we could possibly use the GR8 brand, but had to run it by his JUG's
> > > board first. There might be a cost, that might be as simple as
> giving
> > > a free pass.
> >
> > > BTW - a few of the people I've spoken with strongly suggest
> that the
> > > conference be at least two days.
> >
> > > On May 18, 4:05 am, Bill Turner <worldwidewi...@gmail.com
> <mailto:worldwidewi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > > I've spoken with Jim Shingler about coming to our conference.
> He is
> > > > open to it, depending on logistics. He also suggested we talk
> with
> > > > Chris Judd. He stated that Chris is a good speaker.
> >
> > > > I've also spoken with Guillaume. He is open to speaking as well.
> > > > Again, I am sure it is about logistics. He said it would be a lot
> > > > easier if the conference was on a weekday. One thing few
> Americans
> > > > realize is how rare it is for Europeans to work weekends.
> Guillaume
> > > > stated that his wife would hurt him if he worked another
> weekend. ;-)
> > > > So, maybe we need to consider a two day conference, perhaps
> Friday/
> > > > Saturday, and maybe allow people to buy for one day, the
> other, or
> > > > both (at some savings, likely).
> >
> > > > Next break, I'll talk with more people.
> >
> > > > On May 17, 7:53 pm, "Hamlet D'Arcy" <hamlet...@gmail.com
> <mailto:hamlet...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > > > > The more I think about it, the more I think MSP is best.
> Most the
> > > > > people on the list are here already!
> >
> > > > > Bill, see if you can get a chance to talk to Soren @ GR8.
> Maybe he has
> > > > > some advice for us, especially regarding sponsors.
> >
> > > > > On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Bill Turner
> <worldwidewi...@gmail.com <mailto:worldwidewi...@gmail.com>>
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > > > > My opinion is its Minneapolis or Chicago. I am biased
> towards MSP
> > > > > > because of location and also because logistically it
> would be far
> > > > > > easier for GUM members to organize. We know MSP pretty
> well. Chicago
> > > > > > has a lot of great alternative attractions to lure
> attendees. I do
> > > > > > believe geeks have interests outside of code ;-)
> >
> > > > > > When I get back to town, I'll call up a few event
> coordinators at
> > > > > > local hotels. As I stated at the meeting the other night,
> it seemed
> > > to
> > > > > > me the space was given free under certain conditions.
> When I know the
> > > > > > conditions, I'll post.
> >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Hamlet D'Arcy
> > > > > hamlet...@gmail.com <mailto:hamlet...@gmail.com>
>
>
>
> >

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Dave Klein

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May 18, 2009, 11:29:22 AM5/18/09
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The guy from Omaha that you were hearing about is probably Scott Hickey. Jeff
Brown is in St. Louis, but SpringSource has his travel schedule pretty full.
Though, it would still be worth checking with him. Also, in St. Louis is Matt
Taylor, formerly of G2One/SpringSource and the lead developer of the GrailsUI
plugin.

But you also have a lot of GR8 talent in your own backyard (Hamlet, Ted, Mike,
Scott, Jesse... forgive me for anyone I'm forgetting) Just run down the
speaker list from past GUM meetings.

With local speakers and sponsors footing the bill for everything, you could
pull off a FREE conference, which would be GR8!

Dave

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From: Bill Turner <worldwi...@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: location options city/venue


I think it is largely due to the amount of content. One day just would
not do much justice (my take on the reasons, I'll see if I can get a
better feel). If we do a half day Friday, maybe we might want to dual
track a few sessions?

Graeme has bee the most reticent about coming, mostly because he is
busy and has committed to another conference in October. He suggested
that his co-author, Jeff Brown. Also, a couple mentions were made of
someone who works (worked?) at Mutual of Omaha. I didn't catch the
name, but apparently he has written and/or done some interesting
things. Perhaps someone here knows who I am talking about. If not, I
am sure I can dig out the name.

On May 18, 8:37 am, Shaun Jurgemeyer <sjurgeme...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Bill,
>
> What are the reasons people have for making the conference 2 days?  Is it
> mainly to make it seem more substantial for people traveling, or to spread
> out the information over a couple of days so people get burned out?
> Something else?
>
> If we were to extend to include sessions on Friday I think it might be best
> to keep it at half a day on Friday.  My impression is that our audience is
> going to contain a lot of people who are attending on their own (not
company
> sponsored) and so would have to take off work to travel to and attend the
> conference. Potentially they would pay for hotel etc out of pocket which
> increases the cost the longer we stretch things out.
>
> On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 6:41 AM, Bill Turner
<worldwidewi...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
> > I've spoken with Dierk Konig regarding speaking. He is willing as
> > well, but would need it to be in October. He and his wife are
> > expecting a child in September.
>
> > I've also spoken with Soeren. He had a lot of info about organizing
> > and is willing to share. Getting sponsors was just a matter of
> > contacting them. Getting the word out was done by contacting the JUGs/
> > GUGs, and he really encouraged the use of twitter. He also said that
> > we could possibly use the GR8 brand, but had to run it by his JUG's
> > board first. There might be a cost, that might be as simple as giving
> > a free pass.
>
> > BTW - a few of the people I've spoken with strongly suggest that the
> > conference be at least two days.
>
> > On May 18, 4:05 am, Bill Turner <worldwidewi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I've spoken with Jim Shingler about coming to our conference. He is
> > > open to it, depending on logistics. He also suggested we talk with
> > > Chris Judd. He stated that Chris is a good speaker.
>
> > > I've also spoken with Guillaume. He is open to speaking as well.
> > > Again, I am sure it is about logistics. He said it would be a lot
> > > easier if the conference was on a weekday. One thing few Americans
> > > realize is how rare it is for Europeans to work weekends. Guillaume
> > > stated that his wife would hurt him if he worked another weekend. ;-)
> > > So, maybe we need to consider a two day conference, perhaps Friday/
> > > Saturday, and maybe allow people to buy for one day, the other, or
> > > both (at some savings, likely).
>
> > > Next break, I'll talk with more people.
>
> > > On May 17, 7:53 pm, "Hamlet D'Arcy" <hamlet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > The more I think about it, the more I think MSP is best. Most the
> > > > people on the list are here already!
>
> > > > Bill, see if you can get a chance to talk to Soren @ GR8. Maybe he
has
> > > > some advice for us, especially regarding sponsors.
>
> > > > On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Bill Turner
<worldwidewi...@gmail.com>

Hamlet D'Arcy

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I'm fine with 2 days during the week. I think 2 weekdays at a low cost
will attract more crowds than a 2 weekend days at a higher cost (and I
have no evidence to support this!)

Is there a proposed planning schedule? Something like:

1) Commit to date(s) and tentative venue and registration page
2) Try to get some sponsors
3) Line up speakers willing to come at their own expense
4) Draw up initial marketing and twitter/website blast
5) Approach more sponsors and create budget
6) Decide on travel/speaker expenses & get more speakers that need to
be reimbursed
7) Finalize venue
8) Finalize format (speakers + some open spaces)
9) Try to get more sponsors
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