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Chad Small
May 14, 2009, 11:47:32 PM5/14/09
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Is it assumed doing a Friday evening, Saturday all day event? I think
this makes sense for attendees/speakers.
Thinking fall conference time - Aug/Sept/Oct time frame?
I would propose early Oct and Fri/Sat. Others?
@chadsmall
this makes sense for attendees/speakers.
Thinking fall conference time - Aug/Sept/Oct time frame?
I would propose early Oct and Fri/Sat. Others?
@chadsmall
Dave Klein
May 15, 2009, 12:00:05 AM5/15/09
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A Friday evening and all day Saturday schedule is great.
I would suggest earlier in the year than October. Perhaps as early as August.
There will be a Groovy/Grails Experience in October or early November and you
wouldn't want to force people to choose between the two.
Also, in earlier discussions there was some talk of cities like Chicago or St.
Louis. While those are both great locations for a mid-sized regional
conference, I think think a local conference will be more successful. You
have a boat load of Groovy/Grails/Griffon talent in the Twin Cities. Also if
you want to keep it low cost then regional doesn't make sense. As soon as
someone has to pay airfare and hotel, it's no longer low cost.
Dave
I would suggest earlier in the year than October. Perhaps as early as August.
There will be a Groovy/Grails Experience in October or early November and you
wouldn't want to force people to choose between the two.
Also, in earlier discussions there was some talk of cities like Chicago or St.
Louis. While those are both great locations for a mid-sized regional
conference, I think think a local conference will be more successful. You
have a boat load of Groovy/Grails/Griffon talent in the Twin Cities. Also if
you want to keep it low cost then regional doesn't make sense. As soon as
someone has to pay airfare and hotel, it's no longer low cost.
Dave
Shaun Jurgemeyer
May 15, 2009, 1:24:07 AM5/15/09
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I'm definitely on board with the Fri-Sat schedule as well. It seems
like a good way to get a social atmosphere going right away instead of
the stale conference feel.
I'd hesitate to focus on this as just a local conference. Even though
we have a strong community here, I think it would be best if we could
attract people from outside the area to help diversify our knowledge
and experience. Air fare and hotel in the TC or St Louis can still be
a relatively low cost for someone who would otherwise have to go to
San Francisco plus pay a higher conference fee.
On May 14, 11:00 pm, "Dave Klein" <davekl...@usa.net> wrote:
> A Friday evening and all day Saturday schedule is great.
>
> I would suggest earlier in the year than October. Perhaps as early as August.
> There will be a Groovy/Grails Experience in October or early November and you
> wouldn't want to force people to choose between the two.
>
> Also, in earlier discussions there was some talk of cities like Chicago or St.
> Louis. While those are both great locations for a mid-sized regional
> conference, I think think a local conference will be more successful. You
> have a boat load of Groovy/Grails/Griffon talent in the Twin Cities. Also if
> you want to keep it low cost then regional doesn't make sense. As soon as
> someone has to pay airfare and hotel, it's no longer low cost.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> ------ Original Message ------
>
> Received: Thu, 14 May 2009 10:47:34 PM CDT
> From: Chad Small <chadem...@gmail.com>
like a good way to get a social atmosphere going right away instead of
the stale conference feel.
I'd hesitate to focus on this as just a local conference. Even though
we have a strong community here, I think it would be best if we could
attract people from outside the area to help diversify our knowledge
and experience. Air fare and hotel in the TC or St Louis can still be
a relatively low cost for someone who would otherwise have to go to
San Francisco plus pay a higher conference fee.
On May 14, 11:00 pm, "Dave Klein" <davekl...@usa.net> wrote:
> A Friday evening and all day Saturday schedule is great.
>
> I would suggest earlier in the year than October. Perhaps as early as August.
> There will be a Groovy/Grails Experience in October or early November and you
> wouldn't want to force people to choose between the two.
>
> Also, in earlier discussions there was some talk of cities like Chicago or St.
> Louis. While those are both great locations for a mid-sized regional
> conference, I think think a local conference will be more successful. You
> have a boat load of Groovy/Grails/Griffon talent in the Twin Cities. Also if
> you want to keep it low cost then regional doesn't make sense. As soon as
> someone has to pay airfare and hotel, it's no longer low cost.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> ------ Original Message ------
>
> Received: Thu, 14 May 2009 10:47:34 PM CDT
Andres Almiray
May 15, 2009, 2:24:50 AM5/15/09
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Anywhere on the Midwest is fine by me, I'll make the trip from
California just to be there with the G3 community anyway :-)
- Andres
California just to be there with the G3 community anyway :-)
- Andres
Hamlet D'Arcy
May 15, 2009, 3:51:15 PM5/15/09
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August is really, really soon. I'd suggest September. Weather is still
beautiful.
beautiful.
Bill Turner
May 17, 2009, 9:34:44 AM5/17/09
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As I must attend a wedding the last weekend in September, I'd
personally prefer earlier in September, though the first week or two
in October are usually still very lovely here.
BTW - The Mall Of America is the fourth largest tourist attraction in
the country. While at the airport the other day, I saw other
promotional stuff: 22 lakes in Minneapolis proper, well over 100
parks, the Mississippi (of course), more theaters per capita than
anyplace except NYC, the list goes on. If we are to promote it to
outsiders, it might be good to throw in some of the touristy info.
Perhaps arrange an outing(s).
personally prefer earlier in September, though the first week or two
in October are usually still very lovely here.
BTW - The Mall Of America is the fourth largest tourist attraction in
the country. While at the airport the other day, I saw other
promotional stuff: 22 lakes in Minneapolis proper, well over 100
parks, the Mississippi (of course), more theaters per capita than
anyplace except NYC, the list goes on. If we are to promote it to
outsiders, it might be good to throw in some of the touristy info.
Perhaps arrange an outing(s).
Bill Turner
May 21, 2009, 7:20:31 AM5/21/09
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Are we sure that it would be unrealistic to have the conference as
early as August, or is that the belief that everyone has accepted just
because one person has stated such? No offense meant, here, just
checking assumptions. It may be logistically possible, of course, but
then there is the promotion time and I don't feel we can promote until
we have crossed some as yet undefined threshold.
Also, there has been concern about holding the conference here too
late, that it might scare off those from warmer climes. Ultimately, if
people are interested in the subject, I don't think the temperature is
that big of an issue. Many conferences are held off-season for the
very reason that it tends to hold down costs. Anyway, according to
this site, all of October is still pretty decent on average:
http://home.att.net/~minn_climo/. And, the average dailies at the
beginning of November are not much cooler than the temps I just
experienced in Copenhagen where they had people attending from all
over the world (India, Japan, Australia, US and Canada). Since most of
the time will be spent indoors anyway, I think an over-emphasis on the
temperature is unwarranted. Also, I have been researching when to
expect the fall leaf color peak in the area. While it varies each
year, pretty much everything I found stated the peak should occur
within the first ten days of October, with the whole thing happening
from the last week or so of September to about the middle of October.
See http://minnesota-travel.suite101.com/article.cfm/twin_city_fall_festivals_and_fun
for one reference.
early as August, or is that the belief that everyone has accepted just
because one person has stated such? No offense meant, here, just
checking assumptions. It may be logistically possible, of course, but
then there is the promotion time and I don't feel we can promote until
we have crossed some as yet undefined threshold.
Also, there has been concern about holding the conference here too
late, that it might scare off those from warmer climes. Ultimately, if
people are interested in the subject, I don't think the temperature is
that big of an issue. Many conferences are held off-season for the
very reason that it tends to hold down costs. Anyway, according to
this site, all of October is still pretty decent on average:
http://home.att.net/~minn_climo/. And, the average dailies at the
beginning of November are not much cooler than the temps I just
experienced in Copenhagen where they had people attending from all
over the world (India, Japan, Australia, US and Canada). Since most of
the time will be spent indoors anyway, I think an over-emphasis on the
temperature is unwarranted. Also, I have been researching when to
expect the fall leaf color peak in the area. While it varies each
year, pretty much everything I found stated the peak should occur
within the first ten days of October, with the whole thing happening
from the last week or so of September to about the middle of October.
See http://minnesota-travel.suite101.com/article.cfm/twin_city_fall_festivals_and_fun
for one reference.
Shaun Jurgemeyer
May 21, 2009, 9:08:42 AM5/21/09
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I think the main issue with having it as early as August is getting
sponsors and getting the word out. That said, given that it's been
over a week and we still can't nail down the days of the week or
general format, this isn't going to be a quick process in general.
I agree with you that weather is not that big of a concern. September
or even October should be fine. BTW, the 1st weekend in October is
the Twin Cities marathon, so we probably don't want to be in downtown
Mpls or St Paul on that weekend.
On May 21, 6:20 am, Bill Turner <worldwidewi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Are we sure that it would be unrealistic to have the conference as
> early as August, or is that the belief that everyone has accepted just
> because one person has stated such? No offense meant, here, just
> checking assumptions. It may be logistically possible, of course, but
> then there is the promotion time and I don't feel we can promote until
> we have crossed some as yet undefined threshold.
>
> Also, there has been concern about holding the conference here too
> late, that it might scare off those from warmer climes. Ultimately, if
> people are interested in the subject, I don't think the temperature is
> that big of an issue. Many conferences are held off-season for the
> very reason that it tends to hold down costs. Anyway, according to
> this site, all of October is still pretty decent on average:http://home.att.net/~minn_climo/. And, the average dailies at the
> beginning of November are not much cooler than the temps I just
> experienced in Copenhagen where they had people attending from all
> over the world (India, Japan, Australia, US and Canada). Since most of
> the time will be spent indoors anyway, I think an over-emphasis on the
> temperature is unwarranted. Also, I have been researching when to
> expect the fall leaf color peak in the area. While it varies each
> year, pretty much everything I found stated the peak should occur
> within the first ten days of October, with the whole thing happening
> from the last week or so of September to about the middle of October.
> Seehttp://minnesota-travel.suite101.com/article.cfm/twin_city_fall_festi...
sponsors and getting the word out. That said, given that it's been
over a week and we still can't nail down the days of the week or
general format, this isn't going to be a quick process in general.
I agree with you that weather is not that big of a concern. September
or even October should be fine. BTW, the 1st weekend in October is
the Twin Cities marathon, so we probably don't want to be in downtown
Mpls or St Paul on that weekend.
On May 21, 6:20 am, Bill Turner <worldwidewi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Are we sure that it would be unrealistic to have the conference as
> early as August, or is that the belief that everyone has accepted just
> because one person has stated such? No offense meant, here, just
> checking assumptions. It may be logistically possible, of course, but
> then there is the promotion time and I don't feel we can promote until
> we have crossed some as yet undefined threshold.
>
> Also, there has been concern about holding the conference here too
> late, that it might scare off those from warmer climes. Ultimately, if
> people are interested in the subject, I don't think the temperature is
> that big of an issue. Many conferences are held off-season for the
> very reason that it tends to hold down costs. Anyway, according to
> this site, all of October is still pretty decent on average:http://home.att.net/~minn_climo/. And, the average dailies at the
> beginning of November are not much cooler than the temps I just
> experienced in Copenhagen where they had people attending from all
> over the world (India, Japan, Australia, US and Canada). Since most of
> the time will be spent indoors anyway, I think an over-emphasis on the
> temperature is unwarranted. Also, I have been researching when to
> expect the fall leaf color peak in the area. While it varies each
> year, pretty much everything I found stated the peak should occur
> within the first ten days of October, with the whole thing happening
> from the last week or so of September to about the middle of October.
Bill Turner
May 28, 2009, 4:36:20 PM5/28/09
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I just got this from Jim Shingler:
jshingler: ya know, there is enough material that for Gr8Conf US to
consider a 3rd Day
--
I really agree with this statement, especially if we have workshops.
We haven’t really sat down and budgeted at all. The venue we are
likely to choose seems reasonable in price, but to sustain a three day
event, we’d either have to bring in more nationally recognized
speakers (I’d like more than were at Copenhagen, anyway, and mix it up
with others that were not there), which means more travel expenses
we’d have to cover. Not insurmountable. Or, we'd have to lean on
speakers to give more than one presentation and still incur additional
hotel/meal expenses. Or, charge more. (I know, there has been some
dream of making this free if we can get enough sponsors, but I am not
sure that is realistic, I'd rather charge, then give away more goodies
from the excess). Certainly more local people could fill in the space,
and perhaps other "regional" players could be brought up without
airfare (Chicago, St. Louis, others?). When you start asking attendees
to take three days off work and pay for an extra night at a hotel, it
might hurt our attendance. I am currently planning approximately 100
attendees and charging $150 for the event (of course, no budgeting has
been done!). Considering that and some paying sponsors, two days seem
quite realistic. Perhaps we can charge $195 for a three day event? Or
have workshops the whole day beforehand and have those optional?
Certainly, budgeting will help put a spotlight on what we can and
cannot do. Maybe we can add a third day if we get a lot of interest.
Or, we just stick with the current plan (what plan? I don't think
Agile methods will suffice here!).
jshingler: ya know, there is enough material that for Gr8Conf US to
consider a 3rd Day
--
I really agree with this statement, especially if we have workshops.
We haven’t really sat down and budgeted at all. The venue we are
likely to choose seems reasonable in price, but to sustain a three day
event, we’d either have to bring in more nationally recognized
speakers (I’d like more than were at Copenhagen, anyway, and mix it up
with others that were not there), which means more travel expenses
we’d have to cover. Not insurmountable. Or, we'd have to lean on
speakers to give more than one presentation and still incur additional
hotel/meal expenses. Or, charge more. (I know, there has been some
dream of making this free if we can get enough sponsors, but I am not
sure that is realistic, I'd rather charge, then give away more goodies
from the excess). Certainly more local people could fill in the space,
and perhaps other "regional" players could be brought up without
airfare (Chicago, St. Louis, others?). When you start asking attendees
to take three days off work and pay for an extra night at a hotel, it
might hurt our attendance. I am currently planning approximately 100
attendees and charging $150 for the event (of course, no budgeting has
been done!). Considering that and some paying sponsors, two days seem
quite realistic. Perhaps we can charge $195 for a three day event? Or
have workshops the whole day beforehand and have those optional?
Certainly, budgeting will help put a spotlight on what we can and
cannot do. Maybe we can add a third day if we get a lot of interest.
Or, we just stick with the current plan (what plan? I don't think
Agile methods will suffice here!).
Chad Small
Jun 2, 2009, 5:37:21 PM6/2/09
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SpringOne2x officially announced - mid Oct. - 4 days - 80
presentations - http://www.springone2gx.com/coming_soon.jsp
Cost?
<<
SpringSource in conjuction with the No Fluff Just Stuff Symposium
Series are pleased to present the premier Java event of 2009:
SpringOne2GX
Join us in New Orleans on October 19-22nd for a technical exploration
of the Spring ecosystem along with latest developments in the Groovy/
Grails space. As a participant, you will have the opportunity to
attend two great events at one venue.
SpringOne2GX will feature over eighty different presentations
delivered by speakers who are development leads and/or published
authors in the Spring, Groovy/Grails and Tomcat space today.
Mark your calendar and join us in New Orleans on October 19-22nd for
SpringOne2GX! Registration opens mid-June for SpringOne2GX.
>>
presentations - http://www.springone2gx.com/coming_soon.jsp
Cost?
<<
SpringSource in conjuction with the No Fluff Just Stuff Symposium
Series are pleased to present the premier Java event of 2009:
SpringOne2GX
Join us in New Orleans on October 19-22nd for a technical exploration
of the Spring ecosystem along with latest developments in the Groovy/
Grails space. As a participant, you will have the opportunity to
attend two great events at one venue.
SpringOne2GX will feature over eighty different presentations
delivered by speakers who are development leads and/or published
authors in the Spring, Groovy/Grails and Tomcat space today.
Mark your calendar and join us in New Orleans on October 19-22nd for
SpringOne2GX! Registration opens mid-June for SpringOne2GX.
>>
Bill Turner
Jun 25, 2009, 11:44:57 AM6/25/09
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more catching up. again, shaun and me...
[Shaun] Have you talked to Soreon about the spring timeframe? We'll
want to be sure that whatever dates we offer don't get in his way.
After we know what timeframe works for him, we can probably contact
the speakers and get their input on dates.
[Bill Turner] Australia is in February. He is in mid-May. He felt
comfortable with the idea of being at least two weeks apart. Guilluame
felt that way, too. The wider spacing, the better. Paul King is
targeting late February or early March. Australia has a specific time
frame. They all seem okay with last week of March to mid-April.
I heard from NFJS, Jay Zimmerman to be exact:
The NFJS tour will be back in Minneapolis for the 2010 Twin Cities
Software Symposium on March 13-15th. It would be great to see a
minimum of 60-75 day buffer between events so we do not become
competitors.
We won’t be able to give him the buffer he’s looking for [editor's
note: Rosie stated that no more than two weeks are necessary for
buffers to prevent much competition], but mid-April should be good
enough, perhaps somewhere around 15th to 23rd. Easter is April 4th.
Someone mentioned looking at the UoM calendar. I am not sure why. All
schools choose their own spring break dates covering many weeks. And,
I would not expect a lot of students to come. Am I wrong on that last
point?
[Shaun] UoM Spring Break is March 15 - 19. It might've been easier to
get volunteers around spring break I suppose, but I don't think it's a
big deal. Finals aren't until May, so I it'll probably be fine. I
don't ever see many students at these things. The cost is quite a bit
for a student.
On Jun 2, 4:37 pm, Chad Small <chadem...@gmail.com> wrote:
> SpringOne2x officially announced - mid Oct. - 4 days - 80
> presentations -http://www.springone2gx.com/coming_soon.jsp
[Shaun] Have you talked to Soreon about the spring timeframe? We'll
want to be sure that whatever dates we offer don't get in his way.
After we know what timeframe works for him, we can probably contact
the speakers and get their input on dates.
[Bill Turner] Australia is in February. He is in mid-May. He felt
comfortable with the idea of being at least two weeks apart. Guilluame
felt that way, too. The wider spacing, the better. Paul King is
targeting late February or early March. Australia has a specific time
frame. They all seem okay with last week of March to mid-April.
I heard from NFJS, Jay Zimmerman to be exact:
The NFJS tour will be back in Minneapolis for the 2010 Twin Cities
Software Symposium on March 13-15th. It would be great to see a
minimum of 60-75 day buffer between events so we do not become
competitors.
We won’t be able to give him the buffer he’s looking for [editor's
note: Rosie stated that no more than two weeks are necessary for
buffers to prevent much competition], but mid-April should be good
enough, perhaps somewhere around 15th to 23rd. Easter is April 4th.
Someone mentioned looking at the UoM calendar. I am not sure why. All
schools choose their own spring break dates covering many weeks. And,
I would not expect a lot of students to come. Am I wrong on that last
point?
[Shaun] UoM Spring Break is March 15 - 19. It might've been easier to
get volunteers around spring break I suppose, but I don't think it's a
big deal. Finals aren't until May, so I it'll probably be fine. I
don't ever see many students at these things. The cost is quite a bit
for a student.
On Jun 2, 4:37 pm, Chad Small <chadem...@gmail.com> wrote:
> SpringOne2x officially announced - mid Oct. - 4 days - 80
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