Sony A7 Picture Profile
Angelique Syria
When I shot a still I usually remember to change the picture profile back, but sometimes on the run and gun I forget. While on the go, I edited some pictures on my old MacBook Pro and I realized Lightroom applies some sort of LUT to the pictures shot with PP3 (it loads a bit sluggish, that's why I can see the "LUT" being applied).
Now I'm back at my office and I'm editing the pictures on my desktop PC, a Windows machine. At first I was still noticing this correction being applied, but now that I went through about 600 pictures it looks like it's skipping this on a bunch of them. I'm sure on the pictures that have the PP3 because they are shot at ISO 200 (which is the limit) while the others are ISO 100 since it was mid day, very bright situation.
Also, as a side note, for stills I usually use PP2 with color mode Stills. It's a very light difference between this and the PP off but to me it looks like it's rendering the green colors a bit better. In this case I can't really see a correction being applied by Lightroom, one because the difference is very mild, two because there is no gamma change in this profile, just a light color adjustment.
When LR first imports a raw, the thumbnail initially shows the JPEG preview the camera embedded in the raw. In background, LR then starts computing a LR preview from the raw, and as soon as that preview is computed, it updates the thumbnail in Library.
If you are shooting raw images with your camera it doesn't make any difference which one of those picture styles you are trying to apply because Lightroom isn't going to read that information. Those are proprietary settings and Lightroom doesn't read those. If you're shooting JPEG images then that information is baked in to the image when the image is created in the camera and Lightroom can't change that. So please clarify your shooting process and your question.
Yes I know that. I'm shooting RAW but I actually see the picture profile on the RAW images both browsing the images on the computer and in Lightroom. When I go in Lightroom though I see that it's applying a correction onto the images after they are loaded, at the time time it's applying the lens correction. If I look at the same image inside Lighrtoom after it's been loaded (both in Library and Develop) and then look at the image opening it from the file explorer, I can clearly see a difference in colors.
Of course you can. File Explorer is not a raw converter, it is showing you the embedded JPEG preview that is part of every raw image. It's the same JPEG preview that is displayed in the camera. It's showing all of the in-camera adjustments that Lightroom ignores. You can't expect to compare the File Explorer display with what you are doing in Lightroom. Assuming that your monitor is properly calibrated or that you have a good monitor profile, edit one of your raw images to your satisfaction and export a JPEG, TIF or PSD image using the sRGB color space. Then open that image in File Explorer and compare it with the raw image.
Obliviously if I edit the picture and then export a jpeg it'll look different, I edited it. I know that and I can still edit the pictures this way, but I see lightroom putting something over my image and I would like to know what's going on.
As Jim explained, the JPEG preview incorporates the PP3 camera setting, whereas LR doesn't know anything about that setting and computes a preview from the raw as if there were no PP3 setting applied. That's why you see the LR Library preview change soon after the raw is imported. (Technically, there is no LUT involved in this process, by the way.)
You could try using Sony's Image Data Converter to convert such raws to TIFFs before importing them into LR. I believe that the converted TIFF should look similar to the embedded JPEG preview. I've tried this with PP7 (S-Log2) but not PP3. See this thread for more details: Re: Sony RX100 Mark V slog 2 picture profile ruined in Lightrom and ARC
Just one last thing: I usually use PP2 for my photos, which has color setting "stills" and to me it looks like it renders the green a bit better. I can definitely see a difference here even in the raw files. I want to make a proper test to prove it but I'm sure about it, because before I used it I was constantly lowering my green saturation on landscapes, while now with PP2 I never have to do that.
I'm certainly not going to try to tell you how to process your images. But you can modify the settings in Lightroom and save new default settings. For instance, I use a Nikon camera and I found that the reds were a little oversaturated. My solution was to go to the calibration section and reduce the red saturation by -15 and then save new defaults for the camera. That seemed to produce a good starting point for new imports for me.
This is because As it may seem that Picture profile doesn't affect RAW files on ssony, It DOES affect the RAW files when GAMMA is changed. As you said, you are using PP# right? Check the Gamma setting in that PP.
This issue is explained in detail by Gerald in this video:-
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So as long as you are using Creative style, you are safe. but when you use Picture profile, you affect the curves of RAW files as well due to change in gamma curve.
Recently I discovered Picture Profile tab in camera settings.By default it is turned off.Once Picture Profile is activated by selecting one - a few Drive Modes for expanding dynamic range (DR) are grayed out:
The picture profiles aren't what is preventing you from using bracketing. It is the fact that you are using manual mode and fixed ISO. You have essentially locked down every possible means for the camera to adjust exposure, and then are wondering why the camera will not adjust exposure. When in manual mode (locking down shutter speed and aperture), the only other way for the camera to adjust exposure is to adjust the ISO. But it can only do this if you have ISO set to "Auto." If you tell the camera that you want to use a specific ISO, then the camera believes that you know what you want.
Now, if you are setting the ISO to a specific value because you want to control the "central" exposure value to start with for bracketing (thinking the camera will adjust around that specific ISO value), then what you should do is use the exposure compensation instead. Set the ISO to "Auto." Set up the bracketing the way you want. Set your shutter and aperture to what you want in manual mode. Then use the Exposure Compensation Dial (or the setting in the menu if you need more than 3 stops of exposure compensation) till the camera "chooses" the ISO that you want to start with. Now take your picture. Because you have told the camera that you are "flexible" as to the final ISO value, it knows it can adjust it to achieve the bracketing you asked for.
The picture profiles are intended for recording video; it would be very odd to bracket frames in the middle of a video. So while you can use the picture profiles for still images; it's assumed the camera will be being used for video at least some of the time, and those modes are disabled.
A raw file does not use a gamma profile perse. A gamma curve is applied during the demosaicing (display) process, but it can be changed w/o affecting the original raw data. Typically, raw files are displayed with a 2.2 gamma curve applied. E.g. Lightroom's Melissa color space, used for displaying/editing images, is ProPhoto with 2.2 gamma.
Do you think Sony left them out as they conflict with the electronic shutter somehow - maybe they were afraid sports photographers would be confused about why their max FPS just dropped from 20fps to 5fps, because they had PP1 selected.
The A7R III and D850 full frame 4K both fall short of the resolution and almost zero-moire achieved by the A9. So they have the most capable full frame mirrorless camera on the market for shooting 4K... with the least number of picture profile options. Well done Sony!
Thing is getting down to 3k used now, so actually cheaper than the A7R III with all the same nice things, but better 4K, bigger buffer, extra dial, faster continuous shooting, better electronic shutter and yet... no S-LOG!
I really, really like the a9 - the zero blackout EVF and AF are truly what every mirrorless camera should strive to achieve, its so far ahead of everything else out there - most DSLR's too. The oversampled 4k is absolutely beautiful as well, RS is good and its just so fast at ... well everything. I've been seriously tempted to get one and dumping my a7r2/s2 despite the lack of PP's, just using the standard profiles instead.
I still think the PP's get added at some point when a7r3 mania slows a bit. But Sony being Sony, you can see why they exclude them. With the sensor readout speed being so fast, I'm willing to bet they could unlock 4k60p and much higher bitrates too if they wanted to.
And I can't understand why they'd want us to buy an A7S III or A7R III instead for video, when these have more rolling shutter, and most importantly for Sony - when these are cheaper and actually the A9 has a bigger profit margin for Sony. There are people who actually want to buy one for video right now and who find lack of S-LOG a major roadblock to Sony earning a tasty $4.5k sale.
Maybe the A7siii will tell us. I think that the A7siii may not have 4k 60p dues to 'overheating' so I sort of wonder whether 'zero rolling shutter' (possibly based off the A9 sensor) will be its 'key selling point'.
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