Israel's Relentless Genocidal War on Gaza/Palestine

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Sukla Sen

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Nov 2, 2023, 12:28:36 PM11/2/23
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<<The 2,000 young men who burst the gates of Gaza on October 7, 2023, had been born into a concentration camp. For fully two decades they had been immured in a 25-mile long by 5-mile wide sliver of land that was among the most densely populated places in the world. The vast majority of them could never hope to leave but only to pace each day the camp’s suffocating perimeter; never aspire to gainful employment or eat a full meal; never expect to marry or raise a family. Abandoned by everyone, they were “remaindered” to languish and die. To expedite this process, Israel periodically launched “operations” visiting death and destruction on Gaza: thousands methodically mowed down; homes and critical infrastructure systematically pulverized. It might sound like the script of a bad B-movie, but on the night of October 6 each of those 2,000 men probably kissed his mother, then his father, goodbye. Forever. And then each silently vowed to vindicate the remorseless torture of a twilight existence, and to avenge the murder of a grandparent, sister, brother, niece, nephew by that Satanic power that cursed their lives.
“The owl of Minerva spreads it wings,” Hegel famously said, “only with the falling of the dusk.” That is, one only acquires wisdom into an epoch with the ripeness of time. It’s still high noon and thus too soon to resolve what verdict History will cast on the slave revolt in Gaza on October 7, 2023.>>
That those "young men" were kept inmates of a concentration camp since their birth doesn't alter the fact that they had sprayed civilians celebrating a festival or sleeping in their homes with bullets. Killed them indiscriminately and mercilessly.
One captured woman -- a German tourist dead by now -- was, reportedly, tortured and paraded naked.
As the immediate consequence, whether these civilians (including children) were just "innocents" or were pretty much "complicit" in the monstrous crimes being committed by their state turned instantly irrelevant -- in the minds of too many, both within and outside Israel.
It provided a dream alibi on a platter to the genocidal Netanyahu regime to launch the ongoing operation of mass murder.
It was nothing unanticipated.
Forget the comical (or criminal?) boasts that the committed Hamas would, in a while, overpower the IDF.
This is what I had posted the very following morning:
<<Violence begets more violence, death and destruction.
A long ongoing essentially one-sided war (or genocide?) suddenly turns bi-directional -- for a moment or two at least.
But, that's hardly going to help. Much greater destruction to follow.
It's evidently a hugely unequal war. That's bound to become self-evident soon after the first surprise (desperate) strike by much the weaker and oppressed side.
Operation "Swords of Iron" follows "Al-Aqsa Flood".>>
And I was, by no stretch a lone Nostradamus.
Anybody, in fact anybody, with some minimum common sense could have foreseen that.
Most unfortunately, even now such criminal and absurd boasts are emanating -- call for escalated war instead of immediate ceasefire!
Of course, the October 7 attack has placed Israeli occupation of Palestine very much on the global table -- overshadowing Putin's brutal war on Ukraine.
And Israel, despite wanton bombings and a monstrous siege, is yet unable to overrun Gaza (and occupy West Bank outright).
Outrage against the ongoing genocide is taking the form of organised expressions all over the world -- in the (democratic) countries backing Israel in particular.
That may, in the best possible scenario, end up in some sort of "settlement". Even in such an event, most likely, that "settlement" would be significantly worse than what was there before October 7.
Even otherwise, even if small concessions are gained, what good that would be???
What tremendous costs are being paid!!!
Addendum: A Personal Note
Just to clarify, I, for one, don't see any Chinese Wall separating "non-violent" from "violent".
Guess, even Gandhi -- the icon of "non-violence" -- was not as rigid as his fans and detractors project him to be.
As a child, it used to be incessantly drilled into my head that Gandhi pretty abruptly withdrew the anti-colonial struggle of the Indian masses after "Chauri Chaura" which was too promising to become a turning point -- panicked by the prospect of an imminent Leftist takeover.
Only when I grew up to have my very own independent thinking far more developed, came to discover that:
I. Gandhi was finally back to India, less than seven years back.
With great efforts, breaking radically from the Congress traditions, for the first time ever in the history of the Party, a _mass_ movement on the streets was launched.
II. "The Chauri Chaura Incident took place on 4 February 1922 at Chauri Chaura in the Gorakhpur district of United Provinces (now Uttar Pradesh) in British India. The police there fired upon a large group of protesters participating in the Non-cooperation movement. In retaliation, the demonstrators attacked and set fire to a police station, which killed all of its occupants. The incident led to the death of three civilians and 22 policemen. Mahatma Gandhi halted the Non-Cooperation Movement on the national level on 12 February 1922 as a direct result of the incident."
III. At that time there was hardly any Leftist presence in India to be able to meaningfully intervene.
The CPI on the Indian soil would be formed in Kanpur only in 1925.
IV. Quite plausibly, Gandhi got panicked that the colonial government would weaponise that act of mindless violence to nip his dream of building up a huge mass movement, all over the land, very much in the bud.
So, he, rather promptly -- just about in a week -- suspended the movement.
V. In stark contrast, in 1942, he'd give the historical call of "Bharat Chhodo!" and, as was his wont, would quietly get arrested by the British Government.
Immediately, the whole country would erupt. _At places_ native administrations would be set up. Symbols of colonial rule would be _physically_ brought or even burnt down, overpowering the local administrations.
It was largely spontaneous and yet led mainly by the Congress Socialist Party. (The CPI then was pretty much in the British camp.) JP, Aruna Asaf Ali, Achyut Patwardhan and so many others became legendary.
"Bharat Chhodo" graduated to become "August Kranti".
VI. Gandhi, let alone withdraw the call, didn't utter a word against
"violence" -- even in whisper.
Again, the plausible explanation was that the movement, which had been in its very infancy in 1922, was by then a grown-up full-blooded adult.
VII. Neither Gandhi's fans nor his detractors are known to be in a position to explain.
Beyond that, Martin Luther King Jr has publicly acknowledged Gandhi as his ideological mentor.
Also, Nelson Mandela paid rich tributes to him. Mandela did lead armed struggles in his country. Regardless.
Real life is seldom a clear choice between either "this" or "that".
Hamas arose precisely because of the failure of the PLO.
But, it's proving itself a far greater calamity.
The task of the moment is, however, to demand an immediate cessation of the ongoing brutal genocide. Subsequent to that a just, durable and peaceful settlement.


Has the World Gone Deaf and Blind!?
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At long last!
Let's not crib over "pause" vs. "ceasefire".
Let's rather demand that the US must walk the talk and immediately withhold/withdraw all support for the genocidal Netanyahu regime!
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Sukla Sen

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Nov 5, 2023, 10:38:44 PM11/5/23
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On Putin's War on Ukraine:

Russia had started mobilising on Ukraine's borders about three months
before the actual massive invasion: <
>.
And almost till the very last just kept pooh-poohing the apprehensions of
The repeated warnings from the US were routinely projected as
misinformation campaign by the US: <

Almost on the eve of the invasion, in the making for about three months in
terms of actual mobilisation on the ground, an utterly deceptive
announcement of troops withdrawal is made: <
>.

All the while, Ukraine's plea for NATO entry was just not heeded to: <
<

Then Putin, finally on Feb. 21, spoke on why the war?
To be fair, he was, for once, remarkably forthright in his address to the
nation.

No pussyfooting.
Clearly identified Ukraine as a part of Russia, by referring to the
glorious (Tsarist) past.
(No, he didn't name Peter the Great or Ivan the Terrible.)
Strongly castigated Lenin, as the architect of modern Ukraine, and
chastised Stalin for doing only a half-job - completely subjugated Ukraine
and yet not formally erased its separate identity that had been granted by
Lenin.

Now, he's out to finish what Stalin had left only half done to go back to
glory days of the past (under the Tsars).

Some very helpful fragments:
I. "I would like to emphasise again that Ukraine is not just a neighbouring
country for us. It is an inalienable part of our own history, culture and
spiritual space."
II. "I will start with the fact that modern Ukraine was entirely created by
Russia or, to be more precise, by Bolshevik, Communist Russia. This process
started practically right after the 1917 revolution, and Lenin and his
associates did it in a way that was extremely harsh on Russia – by
separating, severing what is historically Russian land."
III. "When it comes to the historical destiny of Russia and its peoples,
Lenin’s principles of state development were not just a mistake; they were
worse than a mistake, as the saying goes. This became patently clear after
the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991."
IV. "Soviet Ukraine is the result of the Bolsheviks’ policy and can be
rightfully called “Vladimir Lenin’s Ukraine.”"
V. "It is logical that the Red Terror and a rapid slide into Stalin’s
dictatorship, the domination of the communist ideology and the Communist
Party’s monopoly on power, nationalisation and the planned economy – all
this transformed the formally declared but ineffective principles of
government into a mere declaration. In reality, the union republics did not
have any sovereign rights, none at all. The practical result was the
creation of a tightly centralised and absolutely unitary state."
V. "And yet, it is a great pity that the fundamental and formally legal
foundations of our state were not promptly cleansed [by Stalin] of the
odious and utopian fantasies [of Lenin] inspired by the revolution, which
are absolutely destructive for any normal state."

Also, on what he's out to achieve:
"[T]oday the “grateful progeny” [i.e. independent Ukraine] has overturned
monuments to Lenin in Ukraine. They call it decommunization.
"You want decommunization? Very well, this suits us just fine. But why stop
halfway? We are ready to show what real decommunizations would mean for
Ukraine [i.e. complete erasure of Ukraine's separate identity that was the
doing of the Communist regime]."

That's a very cursory mapping of how the things actually developed.

Not to miss that the explanation proffered above is far from altogether
novel.
Putin, in fact, had put it elaborately forward in a 5000 word signed
article in July 2021 (ref.: <http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/66181>).
[This is how the article opens: "During the recent Direct Line, when I was asked about Russian-Ukrainian relations, I said that Russians and Ukrainians were one people – a single whole. These words were not driven by some short-term considerations or prompted by the current political context. It is what I have said on numerous occasions and what I firmly believe. I therefore feel it necessary to explain my position in detail and share my assessments of today's situation."]
But, it goes even further back.
The July 2021 article is only a comprehensive articulation of the position
that Ukraine is a part and parcel of (Mother) Russia (ref: <https://huri.harvard.edu/news/putin-historical-unity>).

Little to do with NATO or whatever - regardless of what the NATO stands for
and/or stood for.

That's how the war on Ukraine was launched.

On Sun, Nov 5, 2023, 14:05 Vera Vratusa <vera.v...@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Satinath Choudhary, dear all,
Since we are living in the time of the definitive decline of the hegemonic power of the USA + NATO member neocolonialist states , the World War Three is in the full gear. On the territory of Ukraine is being waged a proxy war of Russia and NATO: there are reports that in Ukraine were killed more than hundred USA instructors and several humdred soldiers from Poland and other NATO states. In Palestine is being waged armed rebellion for national liberation against the collective West. There are two possibilities how will these wars and others yet to come, end:  emergence of the multipolar world of states mutualy cooperating to everybodys benefit, or the nuclear extinguishing of the humanity. I believe therefore that genocidal attempt of the Nataniahu religious extremists to kill or expel Palestinians to Sinai can not be succesful in the longer run. It is only the question how long will servile surrounding Arab regimes continue to participate in the genocide of Palestinians by allowing Americans to take part in the war in the Middle East from their territory. 
Vera Vratusa
P.S. Please forward this message to socialist-...@googlegroups.com  and foi...@insaf.net lists of which I am not a member.

On Sat, Nov 4, 2023 at 6:54 AM Satinath Choudhary <sati...@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Sukla Jee,
Personally, I believe in non-violent resistance, particularly for those who can't see a way of defeating the oppressor(s) in the foreseeable future. I believe in non-violent resistance because I think it can win us the support of a larger number of people on both sides (on the oppressed as well as the oppressor side). When the support is overwhelming, the resistors will win. On the other hand, with violent resistance, it may be difficult to win as much support in spite of a longer period of struggle. Of course, it also depends upon the will of the oppressor. If the oppressor is motivated via religious fervor, the will of the oppressor may be very strong. 

In short, what I want to say is that it is not morality or ethics that motivates me toward non-violent resistance. I just feel that tactically it is superior to violent resistance. It is a lack of resistance to injustice and oppression that is immoral. Further, it is much easier to infiltrate a clandestine armed resistance group (an armed group has to be clandestine) and mislead/waylay them in the wrong direction, or into a trap, than misleading an open non-violent resistance group willing to discuss their tactics openly. 

The day after Hamas launched their attack on Israelis, i.e., on Oct 8th (Sunday) I was talking to a few friends (we meet on Zoom every Sunday). I mentioned that if I were among the decision-makers among Hamas, I would have opposed the attack on Israel, knowing that their reaction would be overwhelming. I even suspected that the attack might have been engineered by an Israeli mole among Hamas, just as 9/11 destruction of the Twin Towers was an inside job (to my mind). I have heard that Israel was warned several times by Egyptians that something big was afoot. Yet the Israeli government did not take steps to thwart Hamas's attack. It was just like FDR ignoring information that Japanese planes were coming towards Hawaii (Pearl Harbor) because he wanted them to succeed in killing a good number of Americans so that he would be able to declare war on Japan and enter the 2nd World War in a full-fledged manner (this is widely confirmed). 

In light of the leaked document mentioned in one of the videos in democracynow.com above: (A leaked document from Israel’s Intelligence Ministry dated less than one week after the October 7 Hamas attack proposes the permanent transfer of Gaza’s residents to Egypt. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu confirmed the document’s authenticity but dismissed it as a mere “concept paper,” ) I still feel that the Hamas attack on Israel was engineered in connivance with the Israeli government. 

Parts of my thinking are confirmed in the thinking of Scot Ritter. It's just that he thinks that Israel will not succeed in pushing the Palestinians into Sinai, whereas I feel that the Israelis may succeed.

BTW, I vaguely remembered that there are Palestinians who are active in non-violent resistance to Israeli occupation. Indeed, I found the group on Google: Nonviolent resistance in Palestine: steadfastness, creativity and hope

I do not know if and when they will succeed. It depends upon so many things. 

In conclusion, I do agree with you that "Hamas attack on civilians in Israel on October 7th delivered a dream alibi on a platter to the genocidal Netanyahu regime." 

The only possible difference may be in the fact that according to my thinking, there is a good possibility of Israelis way-laying Hamas into the trap, and possibly succeeding in pushing the Gaza Palestinians into Sinai. 
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On Fri, Nov 3, 2023 at 4:35 PM Sukla Sen <sukl...@gmail.com> wrote:
The spectacular(!?) Hamas attack on civilians in Israel on October 7th delivered a dream alibi on a platter to the genocidal Netanyahu regime.

It's our immediate task to ensure that the ongoing genocidal assault on the Gaza population comes to a halt, right now.

Sukla

On Fri, Nov 3, 2023, 21:42 Satinath Choudhary <sati...@gmail.com> wrote:
Ta-Nehisi Coates Speaks Out Against Israel’s “Segregationist Apartheid Regime” After West Bank Visit
=========

Another Nakba? Israeli Intel Ministry Proposes Expelling Every Palestinian in Gaza to Egypt

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State Department Official Resigns, Says Israel Is Using U.S. Arms to Massacre Civilians in Gaza

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On Fri, Nov 3, 2023 at 7:18 AM Vera Vratusa via WSM-Discuss <wsm-d...@lists.openspaceforum.net> wrote:
P.S. P.S. Pardon me, I omitted one word in the formulation of the last sentence in the above message: ... thus to have an excuse for state terrorist repression of CIVILIANS due to terrorist attacks on the settlers and military and police Israeli occupying force.  

On Fri, Nov 3, 2023 at 11:59 AM Vera Vratusa <vera.v...@gmail.com> wrote:
P.S. Please forward this message to  foil-l <foi...@insaf.net> of which I am not a member.

On Fri, Nov 3, 2023 at 11:57 AM Vera Vratusa <vera.v...@gmail.com> wrote:
I subscribe respected Sukla Sen each and every word in your text. I only think that Hamas did not arise only "because of the failure of the PLO". Namely, British and USA ruling class in fact supported founding and armed military groups like Hamas  exactly in order to undermine PLO and Arafat who attempted to attain the aim of creation of the Palestinian state by more peaceful means , and thus to have an excuse for state terrorist repression of terrorist attacks on the settlers and military and police Israeli occupying force.  
Vera Vratusa

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Sukla Sen

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Demilitarisation, i.e. radical degradation of Ukraine's military infrastructure, and denazification -- i.e. regime change -- is only the roadmap for Putin's design to (re)gobble up Ukraine -- for which the detailed justifications and denial of Ukraine's nationhood provided by him, on the very eve of the launch of the aggression have already been cited by me at some length.

There's no whatever contradiction between the two. On the contrary, they are only pretty much complementary.

Whether Putin's (evil) plan is succeeding or not, right at this stage, is needlessly diversionary.
In that context, only two things may, however, be fleetingly mentioned.
1. A Russian news agency has published [on Feb. 26th -- just two days after the launch of the massive aggression] and then deleted an article prematurely praising Russia's success in invading Ukraine. [Bold in original.]
It applauds Russian President Vladimir Putin for solving the Ukraine "problem", saying that "Ukraine has returned to Russia" through military action...
2. Equally, or maybe even more, significant: 
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has [today, on Feb. 26th] turned down an offer from the United States of evacuation from the capital city Kyiv, the Ukraine embassy in Britain said Saturday on Twitter.
"The fight is here; I need ammunition, not a ride," Zelensky told the US, according to the embassy.
"Ukrainians are proud of their President," the tweet adds.
The rest, as they say, is history.

Just two days after the launch of the aggression, the aggressor -- or a significant drumbeater, to be more accurate -- declares victory over the aggressed.
Even before that, the would-be main international backer of the aggressed comes up with an offer of flying the President out -- presumably, so that he can head a symbolic government while in exile.
And, today it is 622nd day of the aggression, the initial success of which has just not only come to a halt, it is being slowly pushed back too. The aggressor -- with a much larger armed forces -- had to go for forced conscription, triggering a veritable exodus from the country.

That's the actual status of Putin's fiendish design.

On Tue, Nov 7, 2023, 19:17 Vera Vratusa <vera.v...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear all,
I have the strong impression thet presented citations from Putin are suspectidly selective: omitted are very precisely defined eims of Russian  special military opperation: demilitarization, military neutrality and denacification of Ukraine. These aims are being gradually attained through the tactics of active defense, vaged tragically as the proxy war between Russia and NATO, on the very territory where the Russian speaking Ukrainians are the most densely populated in Donbas and Krim,(similarly to Palestinians in Gaza and West Benk ). Namely, NATO supplied (including forbidden casette and deplated uranium coated shells that for centuries polute earth and undergorund waters causing cancer) and NATO trained Ukrainian Army, was and is still killing Ukrainians who speak Russian ever since Maidan military coup against democratically elected President (https://jacobin.com/2022/02/maidan-protests-neo-nazis-russia-nato-crimea ) bringing to Power admirers of World War II colaborationits of Hitler, Josip Bandera, whose heirs performed the burning alive of Russion speaking Ukrainians in Odessa.

Even though Ukraine received statehood in 1991 from the USSR since Ukraine presidents solemly  promised to stay militarily neutral, Zelenski however ever louder demanded that Ukraine joins EU and NATO, bringing potentially NATO taktical nuclear rockets to two seconds from Moskow.. Putin warned to the very dawn of  a SMO in february 2022 that Zelenski should observe february 2015 Minsk agreements I (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsk_agreements  gouranted by the collective West organised militarily into NATO, and should stop doscriminating and harming  Russian speaking citizens of Ukraine  treating them  as a second rate citizens, exercising a kind of appartheid, like Zionists (not entire Juwish people) are exercisiong over Palestinians in Gaza and a Left Bank..  

Just compare the number of civilian victims and children in eastern regions of Ukraine bordering Russia, caught in the cross fire bitween Ukrainean army and Russian army both equipped with the heavy weapons, for more than a year and a half,and a number of civilian victims and children in Gaza during just two weekes of entrance of heavily equiped Israely army with tenks and phosporous bombes  against lightly armed Hamas. urban terrorist or liberation guerillas carrying NATO rifles and shoulder rockets thanks to the corrupted Ukrainian regime which selled to them the arms which collective West sent as a military aid to Ukraine.

International court shamelessly accused Putin for evacuating children from the war zone to Russia, while it is screamingly silent about totaly unproportional response  to Hamas terrorism, through bombing hospitals, scholls and refugee camps of Palestinians, denying them water, fooud, electircity, gas, medical supplies, internet communiation  by Zionists, in the attempt to genocidally exterminate Palestinians from Gaza by party killing them and partly expelling them to Egypt. Paradoxically the  victims of the "end solution" perpetrated by the Nazists, are now becoming themselves genocidal perpetratprs of the holocaust "end solution".We are like talking heads mostly passively watching the genocid enveloping before our eyes through mobile phone videos  in real time. 
Vera Vratusa

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On Mon, Nov 6, 2023 at 7:56 AM Sukla Sen <sukl...@gmail.com> wrote:
Please refer Putin's speech, delivered just three days before the launch of the war of aggression.
Both relevant excerpts and the link have been provided. Also the subterfuges employed by Putin and the NATO's, in effect, refusal to extend its protection to Ukraine -- turning virtually a deaf ear to repeated desperate pleas. Backed up with references to sources.

Any substantiated claim to buttress or negate is of course highly welcome.

Sukla 

On Mon, Nov 6, 2023, 10:12 Tanveer A Jafri <tanveerahsan...@gmail.com> wrote:
This war was due to USA not allowing flow of Oil and Gas from Russia through Ukraine . Later Russia build Nord stream lines through the sea ,wherein the contractors left midway before completing the pipe line. Which resulted into hike in Oil and Gas prices.
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