Dear Satinath Choudhary, dear all,Since we are living in the time of the definitive decline of the hegemonic power of the USA + NATO member neocolonialist states , the World War Three is in the full gear. On the territory of Ukraine is being waged a proxy war of Russia and NATO: there are reports that in Ukraine were killed more than hundred USA instructors and several humdred soldiers from Poland and other NATO states. In Palestine is being waged armed rebellion for national liberation against the collective West. There are two possibilities how will these wars and others yet to come, end: emergence of the multipolar world of states mutualy cooperating to everybodys benefit, or the nuclear extinguishing of the humanity. I believe therefore that genocidal attempt of the Nataniahu religious extremists to kill or expel Palestinians to Sinai can not be succesful in the longer run. It is only the question how long will servile surrounding Arab regimes continue to participate in the genocide of Palestinians by allowing Americans to take part in the war in the Middle East from their territory.Vera VratusaP.S. Please forward this message to socialist-...@googlegroups.com and foi...@insaf.net lists of which I am not a member.On Sat, Nov 4, 2023 at 6:54 AM Satinath Choudhary <sati...@gmail.com> wrote:Dear Sukla Jee,Personally, I believe in non-violent resistance, particularly for those who can't see a way of defeating the oppressor(s) in the foreseeable future. I believe in non-violent resistance because I think it can win us the support of a larger number of people on both sides (on the oppressed as well as the oppressor side). When the support is overwhelming, the resistors will win. On the other hand, with violent resistance, it may be difficult to win as much support in spite of a longer period of struggle. Of course, it also depends upon the will of the oppressor. If the oppressor is motivated via religious fervor, the will of the oppressor may be very strong.In short, what I want to say is that it is not morality or ethics that motivates me toward non-violent resistance. I just feel that tactically it is superior to violent resistance. It is a lack of resistance to injustice and oppression that is immoral. Further, it is much easier to infiltrate a clandestine armed resistance group (an armed group has to be clandestine) and mislead/waylay them in the wrong direction, or into a trap, than misleading an open non-violent resistance group willing to discuss their tactics openly.The day after Hamas launched their attack on Israelis, i.e., on Oct 8th (Sunday) I was talking to a few friends (we meet on Zoom every Sunday). I mentioned that if I were among the decision-makers among Hamas, I would have opposed the attack on Israel, knowing that their reaction would be overwhelming. I even suspected that the attack might have been engineered by an Israeli mole among Hamas, just as 9/11 destruction of the Twin Towers was an inside job (to my mind). I have heard that Israel was warned several times by Egyptians that something big was afoot. Yet the Israeli government did not take steps to thwart Hamas's attack. It was just like FDR ignoring information that Japanese planes were coming towards Hawaii (Pearl Harbor) because he wanted them to succeed in killing a good number of Americans so that he would be able to declare war on Japan and enter the 2nd World War in a full-fledged manner (this is widely confirmed).In light of the leaked document mentioned in one of the videos in democracynow.com above: (A leaked document from Israel’s Intelligence Ministry dated less than one week after the October 7 Hamas attack proposes the permanent transfer of Gaza’s residents to Egypt. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu confirmed the document’s authenticity but dismissed it as a mere “concept paper,” ) I still feel that the Hamas attack on Israel was engineered in connivance with the Israeli government.Parts of my thinking are confirmed in the thinking of Scot Ritter. It's just that he thinks that Israel will not succeed in pushing the Palestinians into Sinai, whereas I feel that the Israelis may succeed.BTW, I vaguely remembered that there are Palestinians who are active in non-violent resistance to Israeli occupation. Indeed, I found the group on Google: Nonviolent resistance in Palestine: steadfastness, creativity and hopeI do not know if and when they will succeed. It depends upon so many things.In conclusion, I do agree with you that "Hamas attack on civilians in Israel on October 7th delivered a dream alibi on a platter to the genocidal Netanyahu regime."The only possible difference may be in the fact that according to my thinking, there is a good possibility of Israelis way-laying Hamas into the trap, and possibly succeeding in pushing the Gaza Palestinians into Sinai.=========On Fri, Nov 3, 2023 at 4:35 PM Sukla Sen <sukl...@gmail.com> wrote:The spectacular(!?) Hamas attack on civilians in Israel on October 7th delivered a dream alibi on a platter to the genocidal Netanyahu regime.It's our immediate task to ensure that the ongoing genocidal assault on the Gaza population comes to a halt, right now.SuklaOn Fri, Nov 3, 2023, 21:42 Satinath Choudhary <sati...@gmail.com> wrote:Ta-Nehisi Coates Speaks Out Against Israel’s “Segregationist Apartheid Regime” After West Bank Visit=========Another Nakba? Israeli Intel Ministry Proposes Expelling Every Palestinian in Gaza to Egypt
=========State Department Official Resigns, Says Israel Is Using U.S. Arms to Massacre Civilians in Gaza
=========On Fri, Nov 3, 2023 at 7:18 AM Vera Vratusa via WSM-Discuss <wsm-d...@lists.openspaceforum.net> wrote:P.S. P.S. Pardon me, I omitted one word in the formulation of the last sentence in the above message: ... thus to have an excuse for state terrorist repression of CIVILIANS due to terrorist attacks on the settlers and military and police Israeli occupying force.On Fri, Nov 3, 2023 at 11:59 AM Vera Vratusa <vera.v...@gmail.com> wrote:P.S. Please forward this message to foil-l <foi...@insaf.net> of which I am not a member.On Fri, Nov 3, 2023 at 11:57 AM Vera Vratusa <vera.v...@gmail.com> wrote:I subscribe respected Sukla Sen each and every word in your text. I only think that Hamas did not arise only "because of the failure of the PLO". Namely, British and USA ruling class in fact supported founding and armed military groups like Hamas exactly in order to undermine PLO and Arafat who attempted to attain the aim of creation of the Palestinian state by more peaceful means , and thus to have an excuse for state terrorist repression of terrorist attacks on the settlers and military and police Israeli occupying force.Vera Vratusa
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Dear all,I have the strong impression thet presented citations from Putin are suspectidly selective: omitted are very precisely defined eims of Russian special military opperation: demilitarization, military neutrality and denacification of Ukraine. These aims are being gradually attained through the tactics of active defense, vaged tragically as the proxy war between Russia and NATO, on the very territory where the Russian speaking Ukrainians are the most densely populated in Donbas and Krim,(similarly to Palestinians in Gaza and West Benk ). Namely, NATO supplied (including forbidden casette and deplated uranium coated shells that for centuries polute earth and undergorund waters causing cancer) and NATO trained Ukrainian Army, was and is still killing Ukrainians who speak Russian ever since Maidan military coup against democratically elected President (https://jacobin.com/2022/02/maidan-protests-neo-nazis-russia-nato-crimea ) bringing to Power admirers of World War II colaborationits of Hitler, Josip Bandera, whose heirs performed the burning alive of Russion speaking Ukrainians in Odessa.Even though Ukraine received statehood in 1991 from the USSR since Ukraine presidents solemly promised to stay militarily neutral, Zelenski however ever louder demanded that Ukraine joins EU and NATO, bringing potentially NATO taktical nuclear rockets to two seconds from Moskow.. Putin warned to the very dawn of a SMO in february 2022 that Zelenski should observe february 2015 Minsk agreements I (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsk_agreements gouranted by the collective West organised militarily into NATO, and should stop doscriminating and harming Russian speaking citizens of Ukraine treating them as a second rate citizens, exercising a kind of appartheid, like Zionists (not entire Juwish people) are exercisiong over Palestinians in Gaza and a Left Bank..Just compare the number of civilian victims and children in eastern regions of Ukraine bordering Russia, caught in the cross fire bitween Ukrainean army and Russian army both equipped with the heavy weapons, for more than a year and a half,and a number of civilian victims and children in Gaza during just two weekes of entrance of heavily equiped Israely army with tenks and phosporous bombes against lightly armed Hamas. urban terrorist or liberation guerillas carrying NATO rifles and shoulder rockets thanks to the corrupted Ukrainian regime which selled to them the arms which collective West sent as a military aid to Ukraine.International court shamelessly accused Putin for evacuating children from the war zone to Russia, while it is screamingly silent about totaly unproportional response to Hamas terrorism, through bombing hospitals, scholls and refugee camps of Palestinians, denying them water, fooud, electircity, gas, medical supplies, internet communiation by Zionists, in the attempt to genocidally exterminate Palestinians from Gaza by party killing them and partly expelling them to Egypt. Paradoxically the victims of the "end solution" perpetrated by the Nazists, are now becoming themselves genocidal perpetratprs of the holocaust "end solution".We are like talking heads mostly passively watching the genocid enveloping before our eyes through mobile phone videos in real time.Vera VratusaP.S. Please forward this reply to the lists socialist-...@googlegroups.and com foi...@insaf.net, of which I am not a memberOn Mon, Nov 6, 2023 at 7:56 AM Sukla Sen <sukl...@gmail.com> wrote:Please refer Putin's speech, delivered just three days before the launch of the war of aggression.Both relevant excerpts and the link have been provided. Also the subterfuges employed by Putin and the NATO's, in effect, refusal to extend its protection to Ukraine -- turning virtually a deaf ear to repeated desperate pleas. Backed up with references to sources.Any substantiated claim to buttress or negate is of course highly welcome.SuklaOn Mon, Nov 6, 2023, 10:12 Tanveer A Jafri <tanveerahsan...@gmail.com> wrote:This war was due to USA not allowing flow of Oil and Gas from Russia through Ukraine . Later Russia build Nord stream lines through the sea ,wherein the contractors left midway before completing the pipe line. Which resulted into hike in Oil and Gas prices.Thanks
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