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Neil Seldman

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Nov 22, 2009, 12:40:34 AM11/22/09
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Dear All,

Thanks to Chaz and Norm for pointing out important technical realities.

My concern about biomass is not the niche uses like saw dust pellets,
but massive cutting. AND, in many, many states MSW is defined as
biomass. This is a perverse loop-hole that distorts the issue, and
prevents policies
that can lead
to sensible use of biomass such as direct digestion for methane recovery and
pellets.

Unfortunately, the norm in our politics these days is obfuscation not
clarification, so we can think straight in common. Example, the health care
bill.

Neil Seldman

On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 2:10 AM, <gree...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
  Today's Topic Summary

Group: http://groups.google.com/group/greenyes/topics

    Norm Ruttan <normr...@iwastenotsystems.com> Nov 20 06:16PM -0800
     
    Hi Nadine,
     
    1. www.cmex.ca run by the Clean Calgary Association. Business
    consultancy, with active waste matching, using our software.
     
    2. www.wastematch.org run by the City of New York/City College with
    active consultancy, etc.
     
    3. www.vbmx.org run by the Northeast Recycling Council with some
    interaction with business, exchange users.
     
    4. www.kppc-kime.org run by the Kentucky Pollution Prevention Center
    at the U. of Lousville goes beyond online passive materials exchange.
     
    5. www.scrapmatchga.org run by the State of Georgia with an online
    materials exchange, plus.
     
    6. www.wastexchange.org run by Florida State University, Southern
    Waste Information Exchange has some activity beyond materials
    exchange.
     
    7. new exchanges with some offline activity, and enhanced (active
    waste brokering) online in Massachusetts (State), Rhode Island (Rhode
    Island Resource Recovery Association)
     
    8. www.materialtrader.org in Pennsylvania, run by the U. of
    Pennsylvania (Wharton) Small Business Development Center. Some active
    activities beyond the waste exchange, and some active waste brokering
    beyond the passive (do it yourself) online waste exchange.
     
    More coming. All the above use our exchange software, or exchange
    software plus active brokering tools.
     
    Norm Ruttan
    iWasteNot Systems
     

     

    Norm Ruttan <normr...@iwastenotsystems.com> Nov 20 06:22PM -0800
     
    Forgot to mention a couple mroe.
     
    www.giffordslist.org which is run by the Gifford Foundation in
    Syracuse New York connecting about 100+ non-profits with a materials
    exchange run actively.
     
    www.bcimex.ca which is run by the Recycling Council of British
    Columbia. I don't think they do a lot beyond the online 'do it
    yourself' exchange, but I could be wrong.
     
    Please feel free to write or call for more information.
     
    On Nov 20, 9:16 pm, Norm Ruttan <normrut...@iwastenotsystems.com>
    wrote:

     

    Norm Ruttan <normr...@iwastenotsystems.com> Nov 20 05:36PM -0800
     
    Mike,
     
    With respect, I'm opposed to a blanket condemnation of biomass for
    energy.
     
    10 years ago I asked the Kortright Center in Toronto for a
    recommendation on how to replace electric heating in my house. They
    recommended (of course) that I spend as much as I could afford on
    conservation.
     
    At the same time, they recommended that I buy a wood pellet stove that
    would burn sawdust pellets that were made out of sawdust that was at
    the time being 'wasted' by being put in huge piles, causing runoff
    problems, slowly decaying without producing any useful decomposition
    product.
     
    As a result, I bought a wood pellet stove, and have used it for that
    period of time, thereby permitting me to avoid the use of coal (and
    hydro) produced electricity. During that time, I have avoided burning
    X gallons of fuel oil, or Y cords of firewood cut expressly for my
    wood stove, or Z tonnes of coal transported by train to the Naticoke
    Hydro Generating Station in Nanticoke, Ontario to be turned into
    electricity.
     
    In my view use of biomass for energy, including direct combustion, and
    also including biomass being put through a biodigestion process, and/
    or producing biochar and pyrolysis products is not a bad thing. If I
    had to judge it solely on its own merit, I'd say 'conserve' and then
    use biomass if you have to. But compared to fuel oil, coal fired
    electricity, tar sands oil, etc it's a good thing.
     
    I am in favour of developing a 'hierarchy' of 'wise use of biomass' so
    that we avoid things like 'corn to ethanol' for eg. where the full
    cost assessment of the process would/does show that the net effect of
    growing corn, including the use of petroleum for fuel and fertilizer
    is not beneficial for our planet.
     
    I am of course first in favour of 'conservation' as the prime method
    of reducing generation of energy and waste. In a perfect world, we
    would not need to use biomass for energy, but the world I live in is
    not perfect.
     
    Norm (Ruttan)
    iWasteNot Systems
     

     

    Barbara Hamilton <bar...@eco-stream.com> Nov 20 02:18PM -0800
     
    There is so much information out there about "going green" that it can
    become overwhelming. But relax; there are some scientific frameworks that
    can help you to achieve your sustainability goals, while at the same time
    considering your short-term and long-term business or community objectives
    http://bit.ly/6R0gyD

     

    "Gary Liss" <ga...@garyliss.com> Nov 20 07:29PM
     

    Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
     
    -----Original Message-----
    From: "Grober, Brenda" <bgr...@empire.state.ny.us>
    Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 12:37:15
    To: <JTRProfessional...@yahoogroups.com>
    Cc: <ab...@newmoa.org>; <jennifer....@sgs.com>
    Subject: RE: [JTRProfessionalRecyclersNetwork] FW: MRC - Conference Call for Papers by Dec 11 [1 Attachment]
     
    The New York State Assoc. for Reduction, Reuse and Recycling (NYSAR3)
    just included a session on "Making a Connection between Recycling and
    GHG Reduction" at its annual conference in Cooperstown. The two speakers
    at the session were excellent. The first was Andy Bray, representing the
    Northeast Waste Management Officials' Assoc. (NEWMOA) on that
    organization's ecompassing Climate Action Plan (I've attached it, in
    case anyone's interested in seeing their proposed strategy for ghg
    reduction through improved materials and waste management). He gave an
    overview of how the Plan came to be, what's proposed for New England and
    NY and NJ in terms of strategies for ghg reduction and how the group
    intends to move forward. Feel free to contact NEWMOA to see if someone's
    available to give this talk, if you're interested:

    www.newmoa.org

    NEWMOA, Northeast Waste Management Officials' Association
    129 Portland Street, Suite 602; Boston, MA 02114-2014; ph (617) 367-8558
     
    Our second speaker was a consultant from SGS, Ms. Jen McDonnel, who also
    was a fabulous speaker and gave a great presentation on her work with
    manufacturers to quantify the ghg impact of their products.

    Jennifer McDonnell, Manager, Business Development Sustainability
    SGS US Testing Company
    291 Fairfield Ave.
    Fairfield, NJ 07004
    (973) 461-7933 / (800) 777-TEST
    jennifer....@sgs.com

    Good luck! Brenda G

     
    Brenda Grober
    Environmental Services Unit
    Empire State Development
    30 South Pearl Street
    Albany, NY 12245
    (518) 292-5342 / FAX (518) 292-5886
    bgr...@empire.state.ny.us
     
    -----Original Message-----
    From: JTRProfessional...@yahoogroups.com
    [mailto:JTRProfessional...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
    Chaz Miller
    Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 12:05 PM
    To: JTRProfessional...@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: RE: [JTRProfessionalRecyclersNetwork] FW: MRC - Conference Call
    for Papers by Dec 11
     
     

     
     
     
     
    Lucy
     
     
     
    Any number of people can speak on recycling and climate change. The
    tricky part is that EPA's data - which is what everyone uses - assumes
    that all recyclables stay in this country. Unfortunately, more than
    half of the PET, a great majority of e-waste and perhaps up to 40
    percent of paper are exported. China is the major recipient. China is
    now the world's largest producer of greenhouse gases. China is also
    indifferent to worker safety issues. We need to be straightforward on
    where recycling truly lowers greenhouse gas emissions and where the
    impact may not, unfortunately, be as positive. And we need to develop
    end markets in this country that will guarantee that recycling's impact
    lives up to EPA's data.
     
     
     
    Chaz Miller
     
     
     
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    Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 8:59 AM
    To: Chaz Miller
    Subject: [JTRProfessionalRecyclersNetwork] FW: MRC - Conference Call for
    Papers by Dec 11 [1 Attachment]
     
     
     

     
    [Attachment(s) from Doroshko, Lucy (DELEG) included below]
     
    Detroit can be beautiful in May J Truly, this conference is shaping up
    to be very interesting, especially with a full day workshop on
    interpretation and tours of a variety of waste management facilities
    (incinerator, single stream, dirty MRF, etc.) as well as the potential
    of a Tigers game, MoTown party and maybe even a Michigan celebrity
    involved, yet to be committed. Please consider submitting a paper for
    this conference.
     
     
     
    What I would like to have at the conference is a good session entitled,
    "Measuring Recycling's Impact on Climate Change" Have you done or have
    you heard anyone do a really good presentation that can provide metrics
    for local recyclers regarding the positive impact that recycling has to
    reduce GHGs as well as create jobs and the other, well-known benefits?
    The conference had Brenda Platt speak this past year so we would need
    someone else this year. Any ideas?
     
    Lucy Doroshko, Recycling Specialist
    Green Practices Section
    Bureau of Energy Systems
    Michigan Department of Energy, Labor & Economic Growth
    Ottawa Office Building
    611 W. Ottawa St., 4th Floor
    P.O. Box 30221
    Lansing, MI 48909
    Phone: 517/373-1322
    FAX: 517/373-6734
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    <http://www.michigan.gov/energyoffice> www.michigan.gov/energyoffice
    www.michigan.gov/deqrecycling
     
    Recycling creates commodities, jobs, saves energy & reduces greenhouse
    gases. Reduce, Reuse and then, Recycle!

     
    _____
     
    From: Kerrin O'Brien [mailto:kerr...@gmail.com]
    Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 2:19 PM
    To: 'Kathy Hyde'; Doroshko, Lucy (DELEG); 'Alfred Jordan'; 'Amy
    Shindorf'; 'Claire Galed'; 'Debbie Meske'; Duckett, Erin (DELEG);
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    McFarland; Lori Miller; Mark Steadman; Mike Csapo
    Subject: MRC - Conference Call for Papers by Dec 11
     
     
     
    Please help us distribute this Call for Papers far and wide.
     
     
     
    Michigan Recycling Coalition
     
    29th Annual Conference & Trade Show
     
     
     
    2010 * Renaissance Center * Detroit
     
    Call for Speakers, Abstracts, Submissions
     
    Deadline Friday, December 11, 2009
     
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    Suggested topics include but are not limited to:
     
     
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Norm Ruttan

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Nov 22, 2009, 12:42:34 PM11/22/09
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Hi Neil,

I agree.

The whole 'organics' area is in flux, with composting, biodigesters,
low and high temperature pyrolysis with or without biochar, direct
combustion, etc. in the mix.

Important criteria for judging the value of various schemes are:

-land conservation values eg: http://www.maforests.org/Impacts.htm
-energy input to output for each process
-emissions and end products from each process (compost, nutrients,
ash)
-transportation requirements and cost, centralized versus dispersed
operations
-odor problems
-alternatives displaced ( for eg. co-firing with 'wood waste' to
displace coal.
-jobs created or destroyed
-etc.

In the meantime, schemes and plans are moving ahead. Complex issue.
Lots of claims of efficacy. Etc.

I expect that as usual we will muddle along.

It would be nice if the U.S. and Canadian governments (and perhaps the
E.U.) got together to put some $ into studying 'wises and best use'
rather than reacting piecemeal by state, province, city, etc.

Norm



On Nov 22, 12:40 am, Neil Seldman <nseld...@ilsr.org> wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> Thanks to Chaz and Norm for pointing out important technical realities.
>
> My concern about biomass is not the niche uses like saw dust pellets,
> but massive cutting. AND, in many, many states MSW is defined as
> biomass. This is a perverse loop-hole that distorts the issue, and
> prevents policies
> that can lead
> to sensible use of biomass such as direct digestion for methane recovery and
> pellets.
>
> Unfortunately, the norm in our politics these days is obfuscation not
> clarification, so we can think straight in common. Example, the health care
> bill.
>
> Neil Seldman
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 2:10 AM, <gree...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> >   Today's Topic Summary
>
> > Group:http://groups.google.com/group/greenyes/topics
>
> >    - waste brokering schemes <#1251593d0bdbf3dc_group_thread_0> [2
> >    Updates]
> >    - New Incinerators Planned for CA <#1251593d0bdbf3dc_group_thread_1> [1
> >    Update]
> >    - Tips for Making Your Thanksgiving Sustainable and Enjoyable<#1251593d0bdbf3dc_group_thread_2>[2 Updates]
> >    - Fw: [JTRProfessionalRecyclersNetwork] FW: MRC - Conference Call for
> >    Papers by Dec 11 [1 Attachment] <#1251593d0bdbf3dc_group_thread_3> [1
> >    Update]
> >    - EPA Proposes Stronger Air Quality Standards for Sulfur Dioxide /New
> >    standard to protect millions of the nation's most vulnerable citizens<#1251593d0bdbf3dc_group_thread_4>[1 Update]
>
> >   Topic: waste brokering schemes<http://groups.google.com/group/greenyes/t/954b2b3cfb2a89a0>
>
> >    Norm Ruttan <normrut...@iwastenotsystems.com> Nov 20 06:16PM -0800
>
> >    Hi Nadine,
>
> >    1.www.cmex.carun by the Clean Calgary Association. Business
> >    consultancy, with active waste matching, using our software.
>
> >    2.www.wastematch.orgrun by the City of New York/City College with
> >    active consultancy, etc.
>
> >    3.www.vbmx.orgrun by the Northeast Recycling Council with some
> >    interaction with business, exchange users.
>
> >    4.www.kppc-kime.orgrun by the Kentucky Pollution Prevention Center
> >    at the U. of Lousville goes beyond online passive materials exchange.
>
> >    5.www.scrapmatchga.orgrun by the State of Georgia with an online
> >    materials exchange, plus.
>
> >    6.www.wastexchange.orgrun by Florida State University, Southern
> >    Waste Information Exchange has some activity beyond materials
> >    exchange.
>
> >    7. new exchanges with some offline activity, and enhanced (active
> >    waste brokering) online in Massachusetts (State), Rhode Island (Rhode
> >    Island Resource Recovery Association)
>
> >    8.www.materialtrader.orgin Pennsylvania, run by the U. of
> >    Pennsylvania (Wharton) Small Business Development Center. Some active
> >    activities beyond the waste exchange, and some active waste brokering
> >    beyond the passive (do it yourself) online waste exchange.
>
> >    More coming. All the above use our exchange software, or exchange
> >    software plus active brokering tools.
>
> >    Norm Ruttan
> >    iWasteNot Systems
>
> >    Norm Ruttan <normrut...@iwastenotsystems.com> Nov 20 06:22PM -0800
>
> >    Forgot to mention a couple mroe.
>
> >    www.giffordslist.orgwhich is run by the Gifford Foundation in
> >    Syracuse New York connecting about 100+ non-profits with a materials
> >    exchange run actively.
>
> >    www.bcimex.cawhich is run by the Recycling Council of British
> >    Columbia. I don't think they do a lot beyond the online 'do it
> >    yourself' exchange, but I could be wrong.
>
> >    Please feel free to write or call for more information.
>
> >    On Nov 20, 9:16 pm, Norm Ruttan <normrut...@iwastenotsystems.com>
> >    wrote:
>
> >   Topic: New Incinerators Planned for CA<http://groups.google.com/group/greenyes/t/a7749c83a9599177>
>
> >    Norm Ruttan <normrut...@iwastenotsystems.com> Nov 20 05:36PM -0800
> >   Topic: Tips for Making Your Thanksgiving Sustainable and Enjoyable<http://groups.google.com/group/greenyes/t/417740fa2a01e981>
>
> >    Gary Liss <g...@garyliss.com> Nov 20 01:36PM -0800
>
> >    >Palo Alto, CA 94303
> >    >Copyright (C) 2009 Acterra: Action for a Healthy Planet All rights
> >    reserved.
>
> >    Gary Liss & Associates
> >    916-652-7850
> >    Fax: 916-652-0485
> >    www.garyliss.com
>
> >    Barbara Hamilton <barb...@eco-stream.com> Nov 20 02:18PM -0800
>
> >    There is so much information out there about "going green" that it can
> >    become overwhelming. But relax; there are some scientific frameworks
> >    that
> >    can help you to achieve your sustainability goals, while at the same
> >    time
> >    considering your short-term and long-term business or community
> >    objectives
> >    http://bit.ly/6R0gyD
>
> >   Topic: Fw: [JTRProfessionalRecyclersNetwork] FW: MRC - Conference Call
> > for Papers by Dec 11 [1 Attachment]<http://groups.google.com/group/greenyes/t/8350862447968cbd>
>
> >    "Gary Liss" <g...@garyliss.com> Nov 20 07:29PM
> >    jennifer.mcdonn...@sgs.com
>
> >    Good luck! Brenda G
>
> >    Brenda Grober
> >    Environmental Services Unit
> >    Empire State Development
> >    30 South Pearl Street
> >    Albany, NY 12245
> >    (518) 292-5342 / FAX (518) 292-5886
> >    bgro...@empire.state.ny.us
>
> >    -----Original Message-----
> >    From: JTRProfessionalRecyclersNetw...@yahoogroups.com
> >    [mailto:JTRProfessionalRecyclersNetw...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> >    Chaz Miller
> >    Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 12:05 PM
> >    To: JTRProfessionalRecyclersNetw...@yahoogroups.com
> >    Subject: RE: [JTRProfessionalRecyclersNetwork] FW: MRC - Conference
> >    Call
> >    for Papers by Dec 11
>
> >    Lucy
>
> >    Any number of people can speak on recycling and climate change. The
> >    tricky part is that EPA's data - which is what everyone uses - assumes
> >    that all recyclables stay in this country. Unfortunately, more than
> >    half of the PET, a great majority of e-waste and perhaps up to 40
> >    percent of paper are exported. China is the major recipient. China is
> >    now the world's largest producer of greenhouse gases. China is also
> >    indifferent to worker safety issues. We need to be straightforward on
> >    where recycling truly lowers greenhouse gas emissions and where the
> >    impact may not, unfortunately, be as positive. And we need to develop
> >    end markets in this country that will guarantee that recycling's impact
> >    lives up to EPA's data.
>
> >    Chaz Miller
>
> >    <mailto:dorosh...@michigan.gov> dorosh...@michigan.gov
> >    <http://www.michigan.gov/energyoffice>www.michigan.gov/energyoffice
> >    www.michigan.gov/deqrecycling
>
> >    Recycling creates commodities, jobs, saves energy & reduces greenhouse
> >    gases. Reduce, Reuse and then, Recycle!
>
> >    _____
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> >    James Travers <jat...@yahoo.com> Nov 20 10:26AM -0800
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> >    FYI,
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> >    Jim Travers
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