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Lifset, Reid

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Jun 18, 2024, 9:51:37 AMJun 18
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Peter,

 

The piece by Winston Choi-Schagrin is not Tierney redux…even if the title of the piece seems that way.  Her description of the forces that hamper recycling are accurate—and well known to our community—and she doesn’t conclude that recycling isn’t worth it. And while I don’t agree with Neil about everything (😉), I do think low tipping fees are part of the problem.  The UK has very high landfill taxes which have transformed some recycling markets.

 

~ Reid

 

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anderson recycleworlds.net <ande...@recycleworlds.net>: Jun 17 09:31PM

Someone rising young voice in the movement should respond to this latest Tierney attack, albeit the complaint is more with the headline writer than the byline. -- Peter
 
 
NYTIMES
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/17/climate/ask-nyt-climate-recycling.html
Recycling Is Broken. Should I Even Bother?
Every little bit helps. But doing it wrong can actually make matters worse.
Credit...Naomi Anderson-Subryan
 
*
* * By Winston Choi-Schagrin<https://www.nytimes.com/by/winston-choi-schagrin>
 
* June 17, 2024
Recycling can have big environmental benefits. For one thing, it keeps unwanted objects out of landfills or incinerators, where they can produce potent greenhouse gasses and potentially hazardous pollutants<https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/28/climate/landfills-methane-emissions.html>.
Even more important, recycling allows us to extract fewer resources. The amount of energy required to recycle aluminum, for example, is less than 5 percent of the energy needed to mine new ore from the ground. Similarly, the more paper we recycle, the fewer trees we cut down.
But recycling rates in the United States have remained stubbornly flat for years. And, in some cases, they're dismal. Just 10 percent of plastics<https://www.nationalacademies.org/news/2023/07/u-s-should-expand-and-standardize-plastics-collection-and-recycling-study-potential-uses-in-infrastructure-says-new-report> are actually recycled. Meanwhile, hundreds of thousands of tons of recyclable waste are exported, often to developing countries.
It's no wonder a lot of readers have asked us whether individual efforts make any difference at all. To answer that question, it helps to understand how the system works and how people use it.
Why is recycling struggling?
The way the system is set up, recycling is a business. And our recyclables - metals, paper, and plastics - are commodities.
When you throw something into the blue bin, whether it's recyclable or not, it gets carted off to a sorting plant where it runs along a conveyor belt and gets grouped with similar items. Then, the recyclable stuff is bundled. The process is labor-intensive.
One of the biggest challenges is that companies don't want their material contaminated with things they don't recycle or can't recycle. The more random stuff that goes into a sorting plant, the more work facilities need to do to weed it out. And that increases costs.
Once that's done, if the plant can find a buyer at a price that makes sense, the bundles will be shipped off to a recycling plant. Sometimes a local one, and sometimes one as far away as Africa or Southeast Asia<https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/12/climate/plastics-waste-export-ban.html>. If they can't, everything goes into a landfill or gets incinerated.
Some items are easy. Others, not so much.
Recycling metals makes a lot of sense from an economic perspective, for the reasons outlined above. It's just a lot cheaper than scraping ore from the ground. And, metals like aluminum can be endlessly recycled.
It also makes environmental sense. Mining contaminates soil and waterways. Recycling aluminum cans requires just a small fraction of the energy and water that mining does.
And recycling paper helps keep forests intact. Paper packaging accounts for around 10 percent of global logging, according to the forest conservation group Canopy. We save water, energy<https://reports.environmentalpaper.org/2e415d191044726127156af7424af7e9.pdf> and greenhouse gas emissions when we recycle compared with products made from new pulp.
With glass and plastics, however, things start to get complicated.
Although intact glass is endlessly recyclable (the process has been around since Roman times) it often gets crushed or damaged on its way to sorting facilities, lowering its quality and sometimes rendering it unusable.
And "plastics" is an umbrella term for a seemingly endless number of different compounds with different chemicals and additives that can determine every attribute from color to stiffness.
That's a problem for recyclers. Different kinds of plastic can't be melted down together, so they have to be painstakingly, and expensively, sorted by color and composition.
Also: Plastics, if recycled at all, are usually "downcycled" into garden furniture or plastic fiber for insulation, after which it's no longer recyclable. Recycling plastics again and again isn't usually possible.
The result is that manufacturers often opt for new plastic, made from the plentiful byproducts of oil and gas, because it's cheaper and easier.
Small solutions, big solutions
One way to improve recycling is to regulate what can be sold in the first place. Almost three dozen countries in Africa<https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/25/climate/plastics-pollution-regulation-treaty.html> have banned single-use plastics. And 170 countries have pledged to "significantly reduce<https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-47592111>" the use of plastics by 2030.
Another way is with technology, said Cody Marshall, the chief system optimization officer at The Recycling Partnership, a national nonprofit organization. More sorting plants are adopting better optical scanners that can detect a greater variety of plastics. (That technology is improving, but it's still imperfect.)
 
When you do buy things, consider whether you can recycle the packaging. When choosing drinks, metal containers are generally better than plastics. When you shop online, you can sometimes ask for less packaging, as with Amazon's "frustration-free<https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=G3FR4KS7LPQG7H26>" option. And remember the first two Rs: reduce and reuse.
Although these are small things you can do, the reality is that recycling's challenges are systemic.
So, is it worth the effort?
In theory, every item you recycle can keep resources in the ground, avoid greenhouse gases and help keep the environment healthy. And that's all good.
"The value is in displacing virgin materials," said Reid Lifset, a research scholar at Yale's School of the Environment.
But here's the critical part: Don't wish-cycle.
Follow the instructions provided by your local hauler. If you throw in stuff they don't want, the effort needed to weed it out makes it less likely that anything will get recycled at all.

Neil Seldman <nnsel...@gmail.com>: Jun 17 06:27PM -0400

Peter and Recyclers: The Times piece is mostly accurate but it leaves out
so much that the public is really not informed.
 
The cost of disposal in the US is simply too low to have recycling rates
reach their potential.. Given the climate and pollution emergencies we are
facing a $20 national surcharge on destructive disposal is a first step.
That is $300 million X $20 of public capital to accelerate investment in
Zero Waste infrastructure, communities and companies. This would finance
incentives to communities that ban one way plastics, start rewash
companies, build reuse hubs and resource recovery parks, build composting
capacity, support community swaps and fix-it-meets, provide incentives to
households that compost, recycle and reuse. Capital for recycling not
wasting is common sense --- as the oceans rise and the summers are
sweltering. With capital available to communities the monopoly-hold over
landfills, hauling, long distance single stream MRFs and incinerators would
be transformed and bring recycling back to cities, counties and
communities. And, the impact of our consumption habits will be modified in
hopes of preventing further ecological collapse.
 
Be well, Neil Seldman
 
On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 5:31 PM anderson recycleworlds.net <

"rican...@aol.com" <rican...@aol.com>: Jun 17 05:43PM

Please join us for the ZWIA (Zero Waste International Alliance) Global Call on Friday, June 21, 2024, at 11 am Pacific Time on Zoom.
 
ZWIA President Richard Anthony will host this one-hour monthly (third Friday of the month) online meeting, during which we will share Zero Waste information, stories, successes, and challenges.
 
Our featured speaker this month is: Aman Karim, PhD, Associate Professor
National University of Medical Sciences who will update us on the formation of Zero Waste Alliance Pakistan
 
 
Zoom Link: https://tinyurl.com/ZWIAglobal
Password is: ZeroWaste

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Neil Seldman

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Jun 18, 2024, 10:00:50 AMJun 18
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HI Reid, Glad to know that we have agreement on some elements of the recycling/wasting landscapes.

Let's get on the phone and explore the issues. Let me know a good day/time to touch base.

Be well, Neil

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Lifset, Reid

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Jul 18, 2024, 11:55:48 AMJul 18
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Hi Neil,

 

Please accept my sincere apologies for the long delay in responding.  Even though it is summer, I am nonetheless up to my elbows in alligators with project deadlines and similar obligations.  I’d be pleased to chat with you.

 

Back in ancient times (mid-80s), when I was a grad student, I had a friend named Noah (whose last name I forgot) who spoke of you and recommended that I get in touch with you.   Does that name ring a bell?

 

Best,

Reid

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