Hole in Dayton Ave N. Look out Kids!

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Brent McFarlane

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Sep 19, 2021, 3:01:49 PMSep 19
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Southbound lane of Dayton Ave. at N 122nd.
At least 20” depth and 15” diameter.
Called in to SPU for a repair back in mid June. No estimated repair time from SPU or from SDOT. Dangerous for bikes and pedestrians.
You can see where a very superficial short term repair has fallen into the void. This has been called in at least 3 times now. This arterial was ‘resurfaced’ with no right of way improvements nor drainage improvements, 3 years ago.

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Douglas MacDonald

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Sep 19, 2021, 3:14:01 PMSep 19
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Unbelievable? No. All too believable!

A city bureaucracy badly out of touch with its basic responsibilities to its citizens/taxpayers.

Brent: Have you been the recipient of one of those “Thanks for telling us. Maybe we’ll get to it someday” notifications?
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Brent McFarlane

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Sep 19, 2021, 5:45:55 PMSep 19
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In so many words ‘yes we have’ and that was SPU who did the repair job, removed the cones and left it in a precarious condition. Today SPU generated a new work order - put sand bags in as a temp measure. They’ve noted there is a broken culvert underneath the road. Let’s hope they will repair that ‘underlying problem’ before the serious rains hit.

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Lee Bruch

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Sep 19, 2021, 6:27:16 PMSep 19
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I question whether that's due to a broken culvert (which would imply it's one of the culverts that carries a watercourse under the road - there are none nearby). There are only 2 utilities shown on the city's SPU website at that location: 

A waterline runs under the east side of the road (you can see where from the maintenance hole at 122th - the line runs straight under Dayton  from there
A sewer line (combined sanitary and storm sewer) runs slightly west of the centerline of the road (you can see where from the maintenance hole at 122th and another at midblock- the line runs straight under Dayton from there.
And of course, each house along the road has both a house water line and a side sewer connecting to the mains.

My speculation is that it's a leak from any of the above (the water or sewer main or a house's water or sewer connection) that's carving out a void under the road.
The void will keep getting larger until the appropriate pipe is fixed regardless of what is done at the road surface. Those can require a fair amount of work when caught early (like now), but those sorts of voids keep growing until a sinkhole develops if not attended to.

I've added the chair and vice chair of Council's Transportation & Utilities Committee to this thread.


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In so many words ‘yes we have’ and that was SPU who did the repair job, removed the cones and left it in a precarious condition. Today SPU generated a new work order - put sand bags in as a temp measure.  They’ve noted there is a broken culvert underneath the road. Let’s hope they will repair that ‘underlying problem’ before the serious rains hit.

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>> Southbound lane of Dayton Ave. at N 122nd.
>> At least 20” depth and 15” diameter.
>> Called in to SPU for a repair back in mid June. No estimated repair time from SPU or from SDOT. Dangerous for bikes and pedestrians.
>> You can see where a very superficial short term repair has fallen into the void. This has been called in at least 3 times now. This arterial was ‘resurfaced’ with no right of way improvements nor drainage improvements, 3 years ago.
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Brent McFarlane

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Sep 19, 2021, 7:54:53 PMSep 19
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It’s on the west side of center and just north of the man hole so likely from a main water sewer. We spoke with SPU about it. They say they are planning to “telescope it” tomorrow. 

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Lee Bruch

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Sep 19, 2021, 9:59:18 PMSep 19
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Ahh ... if it's north of 122nd there is another possibility ... I had been looking south of 122nd.

North of 122nd is a separated sanitary and 2 small drainage culverts.  The big manhole just west of the centerline is for the sanitary sewer ... the sanitary sewer funs north and south from there.
Further to the east and further to the west, almost in line with the edges of the pavement, there are 2 smaller drainage culverts. 


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