Re: [Green-India] Digest for green-india@googlegroups.com - 7 Messages in 3 Topics

[Karthik Davey]

Dear Mr. Sharma

The individual is very much part of the group. Company is called Global Brains Inc. Sadly Mr Umeshchandra only talks big. After trying thrice he has thrown in the towel and accepted that his product is not ripe but is keeping faulty equipment at my premises and doesnt pay. To me its a ploy and unless fully working companies like his shouldnt be touched.

I have given him 8 months to get  a drop of water but to.vain.

Rgds 

Karthik
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On 21.12.2011, at 20:32, "green...@googlegroups.com" <green...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

  Today's Topic Summary

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• India Joins US-China Solar Dispute [1 Update]
• Solar Water Pumps [5 Updates]
• Call for Contacts on Efficient Cookstoves [1 Update]

 India Joins US-China Solar Dispute

Manu Sharma <orang...@gmail.com> Dec 21 07:32PM +0530  

Hi All,
 
You may recall a previous discussion on Green-India about the U.S solar
industry protesting about low priced Chinese solar products (Are Chinese
suppliers selling Solar PV below
cost?<https://groups.google.com/d/topic/green-india/f3DW9N0f1j0/discussion>
).
 
Now comes the news that India is joining that dispute. Apparently none of
the developers of large projects happening in the country are sourcing
Indian products. Players in the industry naturally appear to be seriously
concerned, calling the trend a "disaster in the making."
 
Complete story from Bloomberg below:
 
 
US-China Solar Trade Dispute May See India Joining With Probe
By Natalie Obiko Pearson - Dec 20, 2011
 
A U.S.-China trade dispute over solar equipment may expand to India where
local manufacturers are complaining about dumping and preferential
financing from Beijing and Washington that’s helping companies like Suntech
Power Holdings Co. (STP) and First Solar Inc. (FSLR)
 
India may start an anti-dumping probe in a month into imports of Chinese
solar products, China’s Commerce Ministry said yesterday in a statement.
India’s Commerce Secretary Rahul Khullar declined to comment when reached
on his mobile phone.
 
Local manufacturers are also seeking a 15 percent tariff on imports of
thin-film panels, Renewable Energy Ministry Secretary Tarun Kapoor said in
a phone interview yesterday. The biggest maker of thin-film panels is
Tempe, Arizona-based First Solar.
 
Indian suppliers like Tata BP Solar India Ltd., Indosolar Ltd. (ISLR) and
Moser Baer India Ltd. (MBI) have failed to benefit from a rule intended to
spawn a domestic manufacturing hub in one of the world’s fastest-growing
markets. Instead, low-cost Chinese rivals like Suntech and Trina Solar Ltd.
(TSL) and U.S. firms backed by preferential trade finance including First
Solar have reaped most of the equipment orders for 1,100 megawatts of
plants to be built by January.
 
“It’s a disaster in the making,” said K. Subramanya, chief executive
officer of Tata BP Solar, 51 percent-owned by BP Plc and India’s
third-biggest cell and panel maker. “I’m feeling a bit of anguish because
we want solar to succeed but we need fair competition.”
 
*Default, Stalled Production*
 
Local manufacturers have received almost no orders from developers building
plants in India and are producing far below their factories’ full capacity,
Subramanya said. India’s total manufacturing capacity is about 1,500
megawatts of panels and 500 megawatts of cells, according to Bloomberg New
Energy Finance.
 
Indosolar, the nation’s biggest cell company, stopped production in June
and has defaulted on 2.75 billion rupees ($52 million) of long-term bank
loans as its business became “unviable,” Fitch Ratings analysts Vivek Jain
and Salil Garg said in a Dec. 5 note. They attributed the company’s
problems to a 62 percent plunge this year in the selling price of cells to
about 52 cents a watt amid intense Chinese competition and declining demand
in Europe where governments cut subsidies.
 
“We’re on the same wavelength as the U.S. manufacturers,” Indosolar
Managing Director H. Rahul Gupta said by phone yesterday, referring to an
Oct. 19 complaint lodged by Bonn- based SolarWorld AG’s U.S. unit and six
unidentified U.S. companies.
 
The complaint alleged Beijing uses cash grants, raw- materials discounts,
preferential loans, tax incentives and currency manipulation to boost
exports of solar cells.
 
*U.S. Suppliers Targeted*
 
The Indian complaints extend to both U.S. and Chinese exporters.
 
U.S. and Chinese suppliers have benefited from Indian orders because of
cheap credit provided by state-backed lenders, said Anmol Singh Jaggi,
director of Gensol Consultants Pvt., which advises project developers.
 
Indian projects that import U.S. equipment may be eligible for loans from
the Export-Import Bank of the U.S., which charges about 3 percent to 4
percent interest. After hedging, the cost of borrowing comes to about 9
percent compared with 13 percent if they buy and borrow locally, he said.
 
In some cases, state-backed Chinese companies are offering to supply
equipment and get paid two years later, he said.
 
“No Indian company can match that,” Jaggi said. “Without U.S. and Chinese
credit, we wouldn’t have any solar projects getting built.”
 
*Thin-Film Exemption*
 
U.S. and Chinese imports can be brought into the country tax-free, whereas
Indian manufacturers have to pay duties on raw materials to make the same
products. U.S. panel makers including First Solar and Abound Solar Inc.
have also benefited from an exemption for thin-film products in the
government’s Solar Mission program that requires developers to use local
equipment.
 
“Those are anomalies that must be addressed,” Gupta said.
 
Indian manufacturers have asked the renewable ministry to waive duties on
raw materials and supplies and to impose a 15 percent tariff on imports of
thin-film panels, the ministry’s Kapoor said by phone from New Delhi.
 
The U.S. International Trade Commission on Dec. 2 took the first step
toward imposing added tariffs on Chinese solar imports, voting unanimously
on the petition that called for antidumping and countervailing duties. The
commission is now holding a full investigation
 
Original source:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-12-20/us-china-solar-trade-dispute-may-see-india-joining-with-probe.html
 
Thanks,
Manu


 

 Solar Water Pumps

Karthik Davey <ideeg...@googlemail.com> Dec 20 05:04PM +0100  

Dear All, Group Members,
 
here is a story of a green customer. There are many people all around
professing to be professionals with no guarantee whatsoever of their
product ever working but all too ready to sell a beta testing range of
products.
 
I invite members to write to me and know about the person and a product
called solar water pump much publicised in Southern India buit just not
able to work in any conditions whatsoever and finally being a loss to me to
a tune of 1.75 lakhs. Its imperative that such companies get filtered out
and are unmasked.
 
Regards
 
Karthik Davey
www.dholeden.com


 

Manu Sharma <orang...@gmail.com> Dec 21 09:56AM +0530  

Dear Karthik,
 
Evidently you've had a bad experience with a solar water pump dealer /
manufacturer. Please share the details of your experience. This will
benefit Green-India members and others who may read this thread through
archives. If this individual is part of the group we will also give him /
her a chance to explain.
 
Note that Green-India rules prohibit personal attacks and insults, so
please share only the facts of the case.
 
Thanks,
Manu
______________
 
Manu Sharma
Convener / Moderator
Green-India
 
 


 

Nagaraj Ramanna <rajar...@gmail.com> Dec 21 10:07AM +0200  

Dear Karthik
 
Solar Water pump with Battery
 
Basically motor is a big challenge in Solar Water Pump.
 
You need to understand the capacity of the motor based on
Well depth
Solar Panel required
Battery required
Finally how many times we need to pump from the well.
 
 
Solar Water pump without Battery
 
If Solar Water Pump is directly connected with the Solar Water Pump.
 
You should know the capacity of the motor based on
Well depth
Solar Panel. Here number of panels should be more.
These products have failed many times. Due to sunshine etc.,
 
Generally, the motor pump depth is restricted to 100 feet. If the well
depth is below 100 feet the power loss is high.
 
In india there are good solar pump products which is not cheap at least 2
lakh above for pump alone. The panel is extra.
 
Regards,
Nagaraj Ramanna
 


 

"Kannan M." <kannan...@gmail.com> Dec 21 04:02PM +0530  

Normally in Solar pumps, we use BLDC Motors ( Brushless DC) and these can
be of 12V/24V/48V depending on the head to be delivered. Being a low
voltage product, the current could be fairly high and good quality cables
need to be used. Even I have seen some companies offering Solar pumps with
conventional AC motors powered by solar power through an inverter. Such
systems are of low efficiency and requires much bigger solar array making
it expensive.
 
M. Kannan /
 


 

soumyabrata rahut <soumyabr...@gmail.com> Dec 21 02:54PM +0530  

why Use a solar pump when you could use wind mills to pump water,Its
cheaper. Over head storage tanks can be used to take care of wind
availability issues. The lack of batterries also makes the systems much
cleaner.
 
there are also other options such as gravity pumps which are location
specific but much cleaner than any other option i know of.
 
warm regards
soumyabrata
 


 

 Call for Contacts on Efficient Cookstoves

Caroline Howe <caroli...@gmail.com> Dec 20 03:21PM -0500  

Dear all,
 
Rhiya Trivedi, a student and researcher in India, Canada and the US, is
applying for a grant to research the distribution of hyper-efficient stoves
as a climate solution and potential source of empowerment for communities
otherwise disempowered by climate change rhetoric, and is particularly
looking for folks working on this in Orissa and Pondicherry, but also
looking for points of contact in Chennai and Calcutta.
 
Can any of you help? If any of you are working on cookstoves work in other
parts of the country (or other parts of the world), feel free to contact
her also!
 
She's cc-ed here, or email her at: "Rhiya Trivedi" <rhiyat...@gmail.com>
 
Best,
Caroline


 

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