MParis spamming
Peter Likidis
Wayne / DiamondCS wrote:
>
> Bonus - I also got one ... (and I write anti-trojan software - he knows
> that - I can only assume that he didn't check his spam email list before
> clicking Send...).
> Hmmm things must be getting pretty desperate in Dover ?
Like they are in Western Australia?
Spam anyone recently Wayne?
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Thankyou in advance Wayne / DiamondCS
Sam Schinke
If you had taken the time to read a few of the postings here, you would know
that that particular "bulk" email is a forgery, and was not sent by Wayne at
DiamondCS.
Sam
"Peter Likidis" <centu...@iname.com> wrote in message
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abujamal
Hash: RIPEMD160
Salaam!
Sam Schinke wrote:
> Do you have any evidence of M. Paris' involvement?
> I am curious, as I have not analyzed the postings/
> spams posted here at all.
Take a look at Keith's maps, become familiar with Paris'
methodologies, look for linguistic commonalities (there have been
several reported since this began), and it becomes obvious.
Wayne posted his comments about Lockdown2000 and the fraud that
Michael Paris is running on ignorant newbies with it -- using spam,
by the way -- and the following weekend a team of trolls shows up in
the newsgroup devoted to raising funds for Keith Little's legal
defense, praising Lockdown and attacking Wayne's livelihood. Wayne
is the first water over the dam -- the first security software
professional to speak up about Michael Paris' con game with
Lockdown2000.
Paris can't afford to have other professionals standing up to
point out how Paris' fraud makes them all look bad, and so far all
but Wayne have been intimidated by some fantasy about "conflict of
interest." Like as if a back-alley abortionist can't be denounced as
a dangerous quack by a licensed surgeon for some "conflict of
interest" nonsense reason.
This has Paris written all over it, although it looks like his
co-conspirator (forgot his name), who has a little bit more
intelligence than Paris, might have helped with it. Trojan writers
and bogus trojan software -- kind of a marriage made in hell,
wouldn't you say?
> Sam
was-salaam,
abujamal
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Sam Schinke
"abujamal" <abuj...@pchelpers.org> wrote in message
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Taken under advisement, although hardly conclusive :(
Sam
abujamal
Hash: RIPEMD160
Salaam!
HeLLfiReZ wrote:
> You were spamming here yesterday as
> I remember and got spanked for it.
Think again. It may have looked like a spanking to someone who
gets them all the time, but it certainly was no such thing in the
context of my conversations with Steve Gibson, not remotely. It was
more like "Okay, abujamal, I'm back at my keyboard now, you can stop
now."
You'll discover, when you get there, that grown-ups talk to each
other.
> Regards HeLLfiReZ
was-salaam,
abujamal
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Sam Schinke
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>
> Salaam!
>
>
> > Peter,
> > If you had taken the time to read a few of the postings
> > here, you would know that that particular "bulk" email
> > is a forgery, and was not sent by Wayne at DiamondCS.
>
> fraudulent software scams with his Lockdown2000 product, is suing
> Keith Little for a critical review of his false and exaggerated
> claims for the scamware. You can thank him and his team of trojan
> trollers for the spam, it's aimed at silencing Wayne, who is the
> first security software professional to stand up and be counted by
> denouncing Lockdown 2000 and Michael Paris as a con game, and at
> discouraging other security software professionals from defending
> their own reputations by exposing Paris as a con man and fraud.
>
> Wayne is not the spammer: Michael Paris and Lockdown are behind
> the spamming.
Abujamal,
Do you have any evidence of M. Paris' involvement? I am curious, as I have
not analyzed the postings/spams posted here at all.
Sam
abujamal
Hash: RIPEMD160
Salaam!
Sam Schinke wrote:
> Peter,
> If you had taken the time to read a few of the postings
> here, you would know that that particular "bulk" email
> is a forgery, and was not sent by Wayne at DiamondCS.
Michael Paris, a con man with a long history of spamming and
fraudulent software scams with his Lockdown2000 product, is suing
Keith Little for a critical review of his false and exaggerated
claims for the scamware. You can thank him and his team of trojan
trollers for the spam, it's aimed at silencing Wayne, who is the
first security software professional to stand up and be counted by
denouncing Lockdown 2000 and Michael Paris as a con game, and at
discouraging other security software professionals from defending
their own reputations by exposing Paris as a con man and fraud.
Wayne is not the spammer: Michael Paris and Lockdown are behind
the spamming.
> Sam
was-salaam,
abujamal
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and closing the door on the tyranny of ignorance.
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HeLLfiReZ
Wayne is a security professional? What you mean is you don't want
to lose Wayne's support because he's in with you bunch right now
and you think it's good for your case and he thinks its free publicity
for his junk software. Don't you mean he would dearly love to be
a security professional. Geez the guy can't even get his facts
right making claims about sub7 2.2 ddos attacks that are simply
not possible because we haven't added that ability to 2.2 yet.
Some professional eh? And don't you be accusing me of spamming
his special offers. You were spamming here yesterday as I remember
and got spanked for it. You clowns have more to gain from this
spam than I have. Money, publicity and someone to blame for your
efforts.
Regards HeLLfiReZ
Sam Schinke
"HeLLfiReZ" <hellf...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MevuYZG...@colossus.SMG...
>
> Wayne is a security professional? What you mean is you don't want
> to lose Wayne's support because he's in with you bunch right now
> and you think it's good for your case and he thinks its free publicity
> for his junk software. Don't you mean he would dearly love to be
Hellfirez,
Given that your review has been shown to be wildly off base, I would think
you would drop this, at least for now.
> a security professional. Geez the guy can't even get his facts
> right making claims about sub7 2.2 ddos attacks that are simply
> not possible because we haven't added that ability to 2.2 yet.
*roll* Everyone makes mistakes. Even you, as has been shown. If we couldn't
"trust" anyone who has ever made a mistake, we would be in dire straits
indeed.
> Some professional eh? And don't you be accusing me of spamming
> his special offers. You were spamming here yesterday as I remember
> and got spanked for it. You clowns have more to gain from this
There is a difference between NG spamming and email spamming, regardless of
the source. That aside, abujamal's newsgroup postings are largely irrelevant
to his accusation made here. Trying to use them as a counter-argument is
silly.
> spam than I have. Money, publicity and someone to blame for your
> efforts.
Who knows.
Sam
SilenceGold
abujamal <abuj...@pchelpers.org> wrote:
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>
>Salaam!
>
>Sam Schinke wrote:
>
>> Do you have any evidence of M. Paris' involvement?
>> I am curious, as I have not analyzed the postings/
>> spams posted here at all.
>
> Take a look at Keith's maps, become familiar with Paris'
>methodologies, look for linguistic commonalities (there have been
>several reported since this began), and it becomes obvious.
Yea, just maps? but can't exactly pinpoint...Of course, I'm from
Arkansas. Is that close to Lockdown's place?
We speak about the same? Who cares? We spoke about the same subject
and those who bashes us are actually speaking the same along yourselves
but different from us somewhat, too.
>
> Wayne posted his comments about Lockdown2000 and the fraud
that
>Michael Paris is running on ignorant newbies with it -- using
spam,
>by the way -- and the following weekend a team of trolls shows
up in
>the newsgroup devoted to raising funds for Keith Little's legal
>defense, praising Lockdown and attacking Wayne's livelihood.
Of course, if we attacked Wayne's product, does that mean we're
from Lockdown? Of course not...I heard about this arguement because
Hellfirez came up with a report regarding TDS then suddenly those
people reacted as it was unacceptable. This made me think, "Oh
those guys don't even give a damn?" So I came here and read it
all up...and saw enough to make few replies. Now you assoicate
me with Lockdown? Why don't you come up with some kind of proof
that I'm even any where closer to Lockdown than just trying the
trial out a year ago or so?
By the way, I'm no newbie to security. I didn't even spam anything
did I? Did I post any url or encourage anyone to use a product?
However, last night I saw a quite of a bit of spamming from you
doing crossposting that got on nearly everyone's nerves. At least
I'm not blacklisted on those killfiles.
>Wayne
>is the first water over the dam -- the first security software
>professional to speak up about Michael Paris' con game with
>Lockdown2000.
I wouldn't call him a real security professional since he didn't
do proper researching on various of trojans or have immediate attention
to major trojans. Also, don't forget the fact that he didn't even
request for Hellfirez's more information on his report, which would
have benifitted Wayne much more than just stand along and claim
that Hellfirez is someone from Lockdown.
> Paris can't afford to have other professionals standing up
to
>point out how Paris' fraud makes them all look bad, and so far
all
>but Wayne have been intimidated by some fantasy about "conflict
of
>interest."
Again, why don't you show some evidence that I'm assoicated with
Lockdown. Yeah baby, I'm from planet Earth is that a good map
you got there?
<cutted out a bit>
> This has Paris written all over it, although it looks like
his
>co-conspirator (forgot his name), who has a little bit more
>intelligence than Paris, might have helped with it.
Still no proof? Just accusions with no evidence? You're just
trying to confuse everyone with your blurry so-called evidences
which in fact proves nothing with exception of your fanasties.
Trojan writers
>and bogus trojan software -- kind of a marriage made in hell,
>wouldn't you say?
Of course, maybe some day, I'll come out and want to start a business
on security. Is that bad? Or unfair for the rest of you that I
got much more knowledge on how those trojans or how users attempt
to bypass those security programs?
SilenceGold
>
>was-salaam,
>abujamal
>- --
HeLLfiReZ
abujamal <abuj...@pchelpers.org> wrote:
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>
>Salaam!
>
>HeLLfiReZ wrote:
>
>> You were spamming here yesterday as
>> I remember and got spanked for it.
>
> Think again. It may have looked like a spanking to someone
who
>gets them all the time, but it certainly was no such thing in
the
>context of my conversations with Steve Gibson, not remotely.
It was
>more like "Okay, abujamal, I'm back at my keyboard now, you can
stop
>now."
>
> You'll discover, when you get there, that grown-ups talk to
each
>other.
>
>> Regards HeLLfiReZ
>
A shame that you dont seem to understand how to talk to adults
in a civil matter. The minute someone says something you dont like
you are on the offensive. So don't even try and patronize me you
clown. And yes you did get a spanking for annoying people with
your spamming and squealing to mummy routine. Go read the other
groups I see killfiles mentioned all over for you. YOU GOT YOUR
BUM SPANKED!!!!!!!!!!
Regards HeLLfiReZ
HeLLfiReZ
Well I would sue you if you said those things about me without concrete
proof. I really do hope you have concrete proof of these claims
or you are going to end up in deep doo doo. If they are anything
like the empty accusations levelled at me in here. They have no
grounds whatsoever apart from your overactive imagination. I can
see a million reasons why people might go to your religious group
and post it. You don't exactly attract friends with the your hostile
behaviour or posts.
You dont seem to have anything sensible to say and you keep copy
pasting this same old rubbish about court cases which has precisely
nothing to do with the issue here apart from you level it as an
accusation in every post you make. You really are tiresome and
you should go find something better to do than creating new enemies
at every opportunity. Go read the other groups a few unsubscribed
from here because of you. You might as well shoot your cause in
the foot dude as you are your own worst enemies.
Regards HeLLfiReZ
> Sufficiently for a professional involved in this from the
>beginning. Paris posted here a couple of time under disguise,
and
>sent a post to one of my religious newsgroups that came to me
because
>I'm on the administrative list of that newsgroup, containing
>identical language in places and making cross-references. His
>attorney in Dover would have been completely derelict and in
>violation of his Rules for Attorney Discipline had he not warned
>Paris not to continue or be associatable with anything of that
kind,
>but Paris don't listen too good.
>
> Study what Keith has on Paris and Paris' co-conspirators, it's
on
>his website and on a hundred untouchable mirrors all over the
planet,
>it's not hard to find. Religious cult in Nevada, credit card
kiting
>in Chicago, spamming and straight ripoffs in Florida, it's been
going
>on for years, and Paris has been a wannabe blackhat with the trojan
>crowd all the way through, you can read his bulletin board posts
from
>before Usenet. People who have been screwed by Paris through
working
>*for* him -- not scam victims but former co-conspirators -- are
now
>PCHelpers.
>
> His resellers are jumping ship, his IP blocks are drying up,
and
>now someone who makes his living with trojan scanning software
is
>pointing out just how fraudulent Paris and Lockdown have been
all
>this time. Wayne might be the first anti-trojan programmer to
really
>look into it, although we have technical analyses out the kazoo
from
>other programmers and systems engineers. What struck Wayne was
how
>long Paris has been getting away with pure, unadulterated scam.
If
>other people who make their livelihood with security software
start
>looking into this, Paris is cooked and he knows it.
>
> Not that he isn't already -- his lawyer is spending a lot of
hours
>re-writing stuff, asking for additional time and surely (if he
has
>any sense) getting paid in advance. And if he *isn't* getting
paid
>in advance, then Paris better think about whether someone with
no
>sense is capable of representing him in court ...
>
> (More free advice, Michael.)
>
>> Sam
>
>was-salaam,
>abujamal
>- --
>PCHelpers: Putting the "Personal" into "Personal Computers"
> and closing the door on the tyranny of ignorance.
>PCHelpers International: http://www.pchelpers.org/
>news://news.pchelponline.org mailto:pche...@pchelpers.org
>
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Milly
> Trojan writers
> and bogus trojan software -- kind of a marriage made in hell,
> wouldn't you say?
Have you overlooked, or decided to ignore, Kelly's requests? :-
=============================================================
From: Kelly Adams <ke...@grc.com>
Subject: Re: Not Spam huh... This is one way to ruin your site
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:45:49 -0700
Message-ID: <MPG.154e507af...@grc.com>
Xref: colossus.SMG grc.ten-forward.pchelp:2143
Alright Guys,
I think its time we all just let this go. We have been trolled, Someone
bit. Its all over. I understand alot of you are angry at getting spammed
AND trolled, but a lot of people are not too happy about having to read
all of these posts. If you must continue the conversation, please take
it
to email. If their email is bad, ignore them. All they are trying to do
is push your buttons, and the longer they succeed, the longer and more
heated these posts will get.
Just a suggestion...
--
Kelly Adams
Gibson Research Corporation
=============================================================
=============================================================
From: Kelly Adams <ke...@grc.com>
Subject: Re: Not Spam huh... This is one way to ruin your site
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:16:53 -0700
Message-ID: <MPG.154e57c47...@grc.com>
Xref: colossus.SMG grc.ten-forward.pchelp:2158
Once again,
Please take this to email or let it go.
Thank You,
--
Kelly Adams
Gibson Research Corporation
=============================================================
--
Milly
abujamal
Salaam!
Sam Schinke wrote:
Sufficiently for a professional involved in this from the
beginning. Paris posted here a couple of time under disguise, and
sent a post to one of my religious newsgroups that came to me because
I'm on the administrative list of that newsgroup, containing
identical language in places and making cross-references. His
attorney in Dover would have been completely derelict and in
violation of his Rules for Attorney Discipline had he not warned
Paris not to continue or be associatable with anything of that kind,
but Paris don't listen too good.
Study what Keith has on Paris and Paris' co-conspirators, it's on
his website and on a hundred untouchable mirrors all over the planet,
it's not hard to find. Religious cult in Nevada, credit card kiting
in Chicago, spamming and straight ripoffs in Florida, it's been going
on for years, and Paris has been a wannabe blackhat with the trojan
crowd all the way through, you can read his bulletin board posts from
before Usenet. People who have been screwed by Paris through working
*for* him -- not scam victims but former co-conspirators -- are now
PCHelpers.
His resellers are jumping ship, his IP blocks are drying up, and
now someone who makes his living with trojan scanning software is
pointing out just how fraudulent Paris and Lockdown have been all
this time. Wayne might be the first anti-trojan programmer to really
look into it, although we have technical analyses out the kazoo from
other programmers and systems engineers. What struck Wayne was how
long Paris has been getting away with pure, unadulterated scam. If
other people who make their livelihood with security software start
looking into this, Paris is cooked and he knows it.
Not that he isn't already -- his lawyer is spending a lot of hours
re-writing stuff, asking for additional time and surely (if he has
any sense) getting paid in advance. And if he *isn't* getting paid
in advance, then Paris better think about whether someone with no
sense is capable of representing him in court ...
(More free advice, Michael.)
> Sam
was-salaam,
abujamal
- --
PCHelpers: Putting the "Personal" into "Personal Computers"
and closing the door on the tyranny of ignorance.
PCHelpers International: http://www.pchelpers.org/
news://news.pchelponline.org mailto:pche...@pchelpers.org
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Hash: RIPEMD160
Salaam!
Milly wrote:
> Have you overlooked, or decided to ignore, Kelly's requests? :-
Neither, counsellor, but thanks for the reminder.
> Milly
was-salaam,
abujamal
- --
PCHelpers: Putting the "Personal" into "Personal Computers"
and closing the door on the tyranny of ignorance.
PCHelpers International: http://www.pchelpers.org/
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abujamal
Salaam!
HeLLfiReZ wrote:
Not that I've noticed. You seem to find meaning where there just
isn't any.
> Regards HeLLfiReZ
was-salaam,
abujamal
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PCHelpers: Putting the "Personal" into "Personal Computers"
and closing the door on the tyranny of ignorance.
PCHelpers International: http://www.pchelpers.org/
news://news.pchelponline.org mailto:pche...@pchelpers.org
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abujamal
Hash: RIPEMD160
Salaam!
HeLLfiReZ wrote:
> Well I would sue you if you said those things about me without
> concrete proof. I really do hope you have concrete proof of
> these claims or you are going to end up in deep doo doo.
I'd bankrupt him with legal fees. Or you. I take on
forty-attorney law firms in federal court and drive them absolutely
bananas with paper, forcing them to spend more attorney hours, more
paralegal research, more secretarial time, and all the rest, than
they could possibly ever recover from either their clients or from
me. That's the tactic they use -- they paper a litigant to death --
and I use their own tactics against them and spend their money like
it was water and it doesn't cost me a dime. And there's not a thing
can be done about it, that's the nature of the American judicial
system. Ask Milly.
A claim of libel has to show damages -- in your case that would be
lost profits or some such thing. Paris will have to prove, with hard
evidence, a direct linkage from false claims on Keith's site to some
monetary loss, or his lawsuit fails. Paris is a public figure, a
business entity with presence on the Web and corporate paper. That
means that certain kinds of claims fail without hard evidence of
malice. Anything done by Keith as part of his defense against
Michael Paris' threat to Keith's ISP of a lawsuit if they didn't get
Keith's pages off the 'net, or against subsequent similar tactics
Paris used against Keith, such as hiring a rumor-monger in Keith's
home town, cannot form the basis for any claim of damages at all.
I keep telling you -- this forum is about the lawsuit, that's all
it's about, whatever goes on in this forum, no matter what it looks
like, no matter what it claims to be, is about the lawsuit or it is
about nothing at all.
Your one-hour instant "review" against Wayne's TDS is about the
lawsuit. Your liking for current versions of Lockdown is about the
lawsuit. Your trolls -- your flames -- my postings -- all this
folderol and detailed refutation of every idiot sentence in your
one-hour "review" -- it's all about the lawsuit.
It has nothing at all to do with anyone possibly being "duped" by
TDS, or else you'd have it in grc.security.software -- where it's now
too late to accomplish anything, your one-hour "review" is already
cached to display your true competence (or lack of it) and true
intentions (or at least obvious intentions).
Thank you for your assistance to Keith's defense against Paris'
bogus federal lawsuit. It's been very helpful, I'm sure Paris will
appreciate how it gets played against him in federal court. He'll
just love you for it. <g>
> Regards HeLLfiReZ
was-salaam,
abujamal
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PCHelpers: Putting the "Personal" into "Personal Computers"
and closing the door on the tyranny of ignorance.
PCHelpers International: http://www.pchelpers.org/
news://news.pchelponline.org mailto:pche...@pchelpers.org
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SilenceGold
> Thank you for your assistance to Keith's defense against Paris'
>bogus federal lawsuit. It's been very helpful, I'm sure Paris
will
>appreciate how it gets played against him in federal court. He'll
>just love you for it. <g>
Unfortunatly I see one slight slight problem...what's the relationship
between us and this lawsuit that you could take advantage of?
I see no proof or any evidence to tie us with Lockdown's side of
the lawsuit.
SilenceGold
>
>> Regards HeLLfiReZ
>
>was-salaam,
>abujamal
abujamal
Hash: RIPEMD160
Salaam!
SilenceGold wrote:
> Unfortunately I see one slight slight problem ...
> what's the relationship between us and this
> lawsuit that you could take advantage of?
Fortunately, that's a problem only for you. You can't see any
advantage because of where you're sitting. I see what I see from
where I'm sitting, and that's what counts. It doesn't even matter
what you can see or can't, what matters is whether I can see it and
know how it plays and where and to what result. Different kinds of
experience at work here, I think.
> I see no proof or any evidence to tie us
> with Lockdown's side of the lawsuit.
What makes you think that's necessary? I've already told you it's
not.
> SilenceGold
was-salaam,
abujamal
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CRH
can't let this one go because this Troll fest, it would appear, will
only help to bolster PCHelp's case.
more inline...........
"SilenceGold" <silen...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:87C9KhHz...@colossus.SMG...
>
>
> > Thank you for your assistance to Keith's defense against Paris'
> >bogus federal lawsuit. It's been very helpful, I'm sure Paris
> will
> >appreciate how it gets played against him in federal court. He'll
> >just love you for it. <g>
>
> Unfortunatly I see one slight slight problem...what's the
relationship
> between us and this lawsuit that you could take advantage of?
> I see no proof or any evidence to tie us
Hmmm........
Your use of the word *us* is rather incriminating, SilenceGold, or did
you mean *I*? You are obviously referring to your collaborators in
this Troll scheme of yours.
Just exactly who is *us*, SilenceGold?
You are very adept with a shovel - the grave you dig is deep.
Keep posting and you will unwitingly bury yourself or yourselves -
which ever you prefer.
with Lockdown's side of
> the lawsuit.
>
> SilenceGold
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Live Long and Prosper,
CRH 8^)>