While Cameron gives your money away this is life for millions of UK workers.

[tinman]

One in five UK households borrowed money or used savings to cover food
costs in April, a Which? survey says.

It suggests the equivalent of five million households used credit
cards, overdrafts or savings to buy food.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22417334

[jaria]

Yes its all part of paying off the debts Labour left us.

[Briar]

This comes as no surprise Tinman, I guess I must be one of them.
Yes, I maxed out one of the two remaining cards, and raided my secret
hord a wee bit. April was so cold I had to keep the storage heater in
my living room on, at a low heat, but normally I would have switched
it off completely. A couple of weeks shivering and with nose running
and that was enough, I gave in to comfort. The electricity went up by
9 %, the Council tax first installment came due, all the food prices
had gone up, or the pack sizes had gone down, petrol was another pee
dearer per Litre, my steam cooker broke into pieces and I have to save
for a new one, a tyre needed replacing.... I HAVE to eat properly or
at my age my metabolism is such that I will start to thin down and
develop wrinkles, but by eating proper food and enough of it that can
be postponed.

I have the horrible feeling that there is a mob of government bean
counters watching, just waiting for me to go into terminal decline, so
they dont have to pay me my £ 157 / week, and can go off to the pub
and celebrate with the money they have saved.

Barstewards.

[Affa]

On Sunday, 5 May 2013 10:18:57 UTC+1, jaria wrote:

Yes its all part of paying off the debts Labour left us.

People are getting INTO debt because they don't have the income they need ....... a lot like Osborne, who is also borrowing to pay the bills.

Labour didn't leave this, Osborne has made a bad situation worse .......... except for bankers.

 

[ewill]

<<<<People are getting INTO debt because they don't have the income
they need>>>>>

to maintain the champagne lifestyle on beer money they think they
should lead and don't think they should a) work more and/or b) cut
their cloth

[Jonksy]

Any idea when they are going to start? Our debt mountain just increases under your lot..

On Sunday, 5 May 2013 10:18:57 UTC+1, jaria wrote:

[tinman]

For all your supposed wealth you seem a very unhappy person, its must
be true what they say money can't buy happiness.

[tinman]

Working people in the UK are having to suffer so Cameron can give away
billion in foreign aid.

Not hard to work out why the Tories are now on borrowed time .

[Jonksy]

LOL...Its only her total hate of the needy that keeps her going mate..

[Trueblue]

On Sunday, May 5, 2013 10:28:38 AM UTC+1, Affa wrote:

 

People are getting INTO debt because they don't have the income they need .......

 

It they keep borrowing they will get out of debt according to Ballsup.

[tinman]

LOL. We'll your lot have made a bad situation worse.

Maybe thats why the voters have all but dumped the Tories.

[jaria]

Thats your considered opinion is it Tinman . lololol

[tinman]

Maybe he's lost and can't find his way to the new board. I knew he
should have kept hold of Janes hand when crossing over.

[ewill]

?

> > > except for bankers.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

[ewill]

As IDS stated

He could live on dole money IF HE HAD TO

[Affa]

On Sunday, 5 May 2013 10:49:47 UTC+1, ewill wrote:

<<<<People are getting INTO debt because they don't have the income
they need>>>>>

to maintain the champagne lifestyle on beer money  they think they
should lead and don't think they should a) work more and/or b) cut
their cloth

I don't know what they spend their borrowed money on, EW. 

My own thoughts were that the article was referring to perhaps more middle class families in financial trouble.

 

[Jonksy]

Depends what they did with the money locky...Your lot would sooner give it to the arseholes who got us into the shit and the fucking nogs..

[Affa]

On Sunday, 5 May 2013 10:49:47 UTC+1, ewill wrote:

<<<<People are getting INTO debt because they don't have the income
they need>>>>>

to maintain the champagne lifestyle on beer money  they think they
should lead and don't think they should a) work more and/or b) cut
their cloth

In fifteen years time you'll be denying any of this austerity took place. The country was wonderful, the world perfect, 

a Conservative lead government that got everything right ............. and even more shocking, you'll believe it yourself.

 

[ewill]

We have a coalition government

[Affa]

On Sunday, 5 May 2013 12:52:27 UTC+1, ewill wrote:

We have a coalition government

That's why I wrote 'a Conservative lead government'.

[Tiger]

You call a trip to the supermarket or turning on the heating a
'champagne lifestyle', you stupid, stupid woman. If anybody deserves
to have something nasty happen to them then it is you, you remind me
of a female version of that vile tory oaf Starky, more or less
everything you post makes me feel sick, I think most people are sick
to death of your boring, repetitive thoughts.

[ewill]

Typical ignorant rant from one of the standard lefty entitleds which
says far more about you than it ever could about me

[Tiger]

It's by no means an ignorant rant, it is a rant brought on through
reading your selfish, inhumane drivel just once too often.

[ewill]

<<<Typical ignorant rant from one of the standard lefty entitleds
which
says far more about you than it ever could about me >>>>

> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

[Tiger]

Ignorant, coming from the thing that thinks turning a light on is a
champagne lifestyle lol

On May 5, 1:48 pm, ewill <willela...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Tiger]

Oh go away you daft, barren old bat lol

[tinman]

Isn't it strange how those that post how well they're doing are those
that begrudge the poorest anything.

For all that Ewill has it seems the thing she most desires is beyond
her.

[Tiger]

It's not strange really Tinman, they see everything that anybody else
gets as something that is not going in their own trough. I have been
reading her miserable mean spirited shite for year now, her own
favoured political party admits there are not enough jobs, but she
just has to keep banging on about how everybody would be living in
absolute clover if they just worked an extra few hours the daft bint.

[AWM]

Conversely, he never explained how he could, if he had to.

[Briar]

You noticed that too Tinman ?

Money by itself cannot make folk happy, it can only make being
miserable more comfortable. Happiness comes from within. The Dalai
Lama has written a book about it, called "The Art of Happiness". It
is well worth a read. It changed my life. It freed me from the
pursuit of money, as an obsession, and showed me how to enjoy life
more, and how to be happy. I was chasing my goal of becoming worth £
1 000 000, and was more than halfway there, but I had lost my
marriage, lost my family, lost most of my friends, and was mixing with
people I was finding shallow, selfish, dishonest and not likeable at
all. I was beginning to dislike my self too. I am far happier now.
I can even find time to watch the birds, watch the clouds rushing
across the sky, gaze into the intricate patterns on a pebble from the
beach, follow a woodlouse wandering through the garden... My children
and grandchildren are back in contact with me, nearly every day, even
my Exes like to call me up, and my cousins scattered over the globe
are in regular contact too.

[ewill]

Agreed , but why should he ?

Cloth cutting to suit the reduced wallet would happen when it had to

> > He could live on dole money IF HE HAD TO- Hide quoted text -

[Briar]

... until something broke and he needed to replace it, probably, for a
short while.

And even then, it would probably not be much fun, even for IDS.

On May 5, 11:30 am, ewill <willela...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Briar]

In fifteen years time, the Revolution will have happened, there will
be no money, there will be no government, no political parties, the
House of Clowns will either be a museum or a mound of rubble with
grass and trees growing over it.

These are the dying days of the current economic system, which has
broken down and which more and more people are starting to realise
just does not work !

I will be 91 then, and hopefully alive to see and enjoy it. Probably
will have to add a chapter or two to my Autobiography.

[Briar]

Oh dear, Tiger, was that not a wee bit harsh ? Elaine can be a bit
abrasive at times, but she is not ALL bad, she is just trapped in her
personal history. If you dont take her so seriously, it can be fun to
debate with a person with a totally different point of view from one's
own.

[AWM]

Why not? He is the one claiming he can be housed, fed, leccie, gas and
watered for dole money.

[jaria]

lol AFFA Labour are already in denial about their part in causing the need for austerity

[Affa]

On Sunday, 5 May 2013 17:11:01 UTC+1, jaria wrote:

lol AFFA Labour are already in denial about their part in causing the need for austerity

They have never been in denial, and have accepted the criticism that 'light' controls 

contributed towards this banking crisis which still haunts us with debts.

 

It was not government debt, government spending, or credit card debts that caused the flow of credit to dry up.

It was this ability of banks to conjure up money out of thin air simply by clicking on a button ........... and they still can.

[Trueblue]

On Sunday, 5 May 2013 13:12:12 UTC+1, Tiger wrote:

You call a trip to the supermarket or turning on the heating a
'champagne lifestyle', you stupid, stupid woman.  

 

 

Says a self confessed  benefit scrounger

[Trog]

Not true and you know it, It has been reduced by a third. It may be
increasing, but it has still been reduced from what it was.

On May 5, 11:02 am, Jonksy <jon...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> Any idea when they are going to start? Our debt mountain just increases
> under your lot..

>
>
>
> On Sunday, 5 May 2013 10:18:57 UTC+1, jaria wrote:
>
> > Yes its all part of paying off the debts Labour left us.
>

> > On Sunday, May 5, 2013 8:15:01 AM UTC+1, tinman wrote:
>
> >> One in five UK households borrowed money or used savings to cover food
> >> costs in April, a Which? survey says.
>
> >> It suggests the equivalent of five million households used credit
> >> cards, overdrafts or savings to buy food.
>
> >>http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22417334- Hide quoted text -

[Tiger]

I don't think it was harsh at all Briar, she brings out the worst in
me, I hate her type and you can't debate anything with a 'know it all'
which is unfortunately a tory voters trait.

[GBur3]

Of course, we could all become lawyers ewill - plenty of money for beer and champagne then!

[ewill]

<<<Typical ignorant rant from one of the standard lefty entitleds
which says far more about you than it ever could about me >>>>

> > > > > except for bankers.- Hide quoted text -

[Trog]

Anyone that borrows more to pay off more when in debt is just asking
for trouble. Using savings in an emergency, or borrowing as a
temporary measure is what has always been done. Its called a bridging
loan in banking.
To do so on a regular basis when there is no means to pay it off is
not going to deal with the problem.
My evening meal [main] yesterday was a 99p deep pan pitza from Aldi,
shared between two, with some lettuce and very filling and tasty it
was too.TGhe priuce of a packet of fags would feed us easily and well
for a whole day

[ewill]

The point is about cutting cloth or working more if income is
''needed''

If you leave a job paying £30k for one paying £25k cloth must be cut
or more work undertaken in order to maintain income - the stupid
borrow instead

It's obvious , I have no idea why ignorant entitleds get so up
themselves about basic truisms

[Jonksy]

Exactly Tigs this is the same dried up old bitch who probably gets paid £800 plus per hour off of others misery..I can remember when she was fucking bleating on how she had spent a couple of poxy quid in a shop and they never put her purchase in a fucking bag..Typical  tight arse tory

[AWM]

Tig is far hardly a 'benefit scrounger' TB. She even works more hours
than you .... cunt.

[GBur3]

In a first world economy people expect a basic standard of living. They expect material comforts and a few quid extra for booze, holidays or whatever extra curricular activity floats their boat. I think people accept that to save money for the future you have to go without in the here and now. That's not an issue really.

But what we have in this country is a nation of people increasingly unable to acquire the basics necessary for a decent living standard due to rip off companies, high taxes and low wages. So they go into hock.

Successive governments have A) failed to redistribute wealth adequately and B) failed to protect and bolster British economic prowess, which was once formidable.

[Affa]

On Sunday, 5 May 2013 18:32:31 UTC+1, ewill wrote:

The point is about cutting cloth or working more if income is
''needed''

Of course folk that have seen their regular income drop, along with those that are now struggling due to rising living costs, will economise as best they can ........ 

but it is the unexpected bills that bring on the hardship that only borrowing can alleviate. I mean the MOT failure, a washing machine failure ........ replacing things broken or aged becomes very difficult in times of austerity.

In part it is why the economy has not recovered ......... people have no money to spend so business has fewer customers, and factories employ fewer people ...... 

 

[Trueblue]

On Sunday, 5 May 2013 18:58:38 UTC+1, AWM wrote:

Tig is far hardly a 'benefit scrounger' TB. She even works more hours
than you .... cunt.

 

She's a self confessed benefit scrounger

[Affa]

On Sunday, 5 May 2013 19:56:37 UTC+1, Trueblue wrote:

 

She's a self confessed benefit scrounger

If there were more like her Osborne could rightly boast of an economic recovery ........ it's people like Tigs that 

business rely on more and more.

EW takes more days/time off than Tigs (a part time worker) does ......... difference is that EW likely spends her UK £s in some foreign climes.

 

[AWM]

You've repeated that bullshit many, many times before TB, still don't
make it true.

[Trueblue]

On Sunday, 5 May 2013 20:17:01 UTC+1, Affa wrote:

She's a self confessed benefit scrounger

If there were more like her

 

The Country cannot afford more like her, she chose's deliberately to live off the taxes of others

 

.......

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ewill]

<<EW takes more days/time off than Tigs>>

Pray Tell

I'm all ears

[AWM]

If that was the case TB then Tig would be sitting at home all day with
her feet up.

[Trueblue]

On Sunday, 5 May 2013 23:04:56 UTC+1, AWM wrote:

If that was the case TB then Tig would be sitting at home all day with
her feet up.

 

She chose's quite deliberately to work part time preferring to ponce off other hardworking tax payers. she's a parasite  

[Tiger]

Thanks AWM, but TB is as thick as shit and hasn't got a clue about
anything.

[Tiger]

Your evening meal is all very well now and again Trog, but no doubt
had you have chosen to have fillet steak instead the choice was there,
imagine how it is for people who have to search the supermarket for
the cheapest crap to feed their families on day in day out, year after
year!

[Tiger]

The word you are looking for is 'choose', I never 'chose's' anything
thicko

On May 5, 8:26 pm, Trueblue <V6jtrichar...@aim.com> wrote:

[jaria]

You would never have thought that by reading some of the posts on this boards but its nice to see it in black and white at last.As for the rest of your post it seems that you still remain in denial for the financial mismanagement of this country. How long will it be before we can expect a similar clarificatiion

[AWM]

No TB, a parasite would not be doing their best for one's family,
instead choosing to sit at home 24/7 on an internet message board.

[kevinbrick4]

Cameron don't seem to have his finger on the pulse as they say does
he. evening news here is the foreign secretary is saying they've no
need to change course. looks like the blind leading the blind to me.

[GBur3]

I think pete fits the description of a parasite far better than almost anyone else I can think of - sat at a computer all day moaning that people are too dependent on the state, while drawing his pension....

[jaria]

A pension that would not be denied to him or anyone else whos contributed due to contributing during their working life GBur.

[GBur3]

His pension is paid by those currently working jar - the very people he seems not to give a shit about.

[jaria]

The point being Gbur that if you contribute then you are entitled to the pension what goes round comes around. When you retire that would be the case would it not? 

Havnt noticed that TB doesnt care a shit about those currently working more like those that could but dont

[AWM]

Then, jar, I suggest you have missed (as usual) TB's constant digs at
Tig.

[Affa]

On Monday, 6 May 2013 17:48:51 UTC+1, jaria wrote:

The point being Gbur that if you contribute then you are entitled to the pension what goes round comes around. 

You are of an age when there were  enough jobs going, when the wage/wealth gap was more realistic.

Today there are too few jobs that pay a wage that will entitle you to a decent pension. 

Yesterday's solution is of no use today .......... unless there is a move to narrow the wealth gap, to make employers pay 

a wage that does provide for the future.

[Jonksy]

Of course the cunt has missed AWM his head is so far up his own arse he cannot see the light..

[Tiger]

Jar has very selective reading ability AWM lol

[AWM]

Indeed he has. Most of the shit around here derived from that very
fact Tig

[Tiger]

Email me AWM, loads going on right now, got loads to tell you, hope
everything is ok with you xxx

[Tiger]

PS can't email you, lost address, computer went mental lol

[AWM]

Will do xx

[jaria]

Nope and I havnt missed hers at me but what am I expected to do about others disagreements. If I did you would have something to say about it.

[jaria]

That doesn't make any sense at allAFFA . perhaps we didn't have such a cushy welfare system to protect or seduce us.
Fact is I went to the employment office once and that was the only week when I didn't pay my stamp. Now you must explain why all these immigrants can find work whereas you tell us there arnt enough jobs going. Isn't it a fact that more are in employment now than for some time. Yes I know the stock reply about being paid below the minimum wage but that Is countered by the argument that welfare I too generous.

[Tiger]

No welfare payments are not too generous, nobody gets rich on welfare
unless they are fiddling which is a criminal offence. People in this
country refuse to get by on pennies and quite rightly so, the likes of
you make me sick, you and your ilk are the reason all those poor souls
died in Bangladesh, the 'sod you jack as long as i'm alright tory
bastards' who would have people working for next to nothing in shit
conditions, but you wouldn't mind all those 'chav's' fighting in the
British army to save your fat ass would ya!

[jaria]

Have you tried a counsellor Tiger you seem to have so much built up anger that you are firing in all directions. Btw you missed the target as we came first in our collections, we hosted the families who lost their kids in the Falklands and am always contributing to worthwhile charities. One of your little chums tells us that he doesn't believe in charities so vent your spleen on Tinman. Oh yes the RAF is one of our services isn't it well I was in that too.

[Jonksy]

More LIES and BOLLOCKS from the troll..You wouldn't even spend a few poxy quid on a bloody Ipad before consulting half the fucking board you tight tory arsehole...And Tigs is fine she doesn't need a counsellor but you could do with a new carer to wipe your tory arse you incontinent dribbling old fart..

[AWM]

Fuck me, it's always got to be about you aint it ?.

You were, incorrectly, yet specifically, blowing smoke up TB's arse,
not discussing that Tig thinks you are a cunt as well.

[Affa]

On Monday, 6 May 2013 21:04:43 UTC+1, jaria wrote:

That doesn't make any sense at allAFFA . perhaps we didn't have such a cushy welfare system to protect or seduce us.

The Tory myth again, the one that never fails.

To reach these conclusions, the CPC made use of data from the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) dating from 2007, its most recent study in this area.

Sure enough, when we delve into the OECD's Social Expenditure databasewe can see that the UK is ranked significantly below many other European nations in terms of the money it spends on welfare, including France, Germany and Italy.

[jaria]

No myth .graphs when will you realize how useless they are

[jaria]

Usual crap from a saddo btw there are now two instances on the RAF forum about ex BNP and now UKIP supporters.one w a candidate and another just a straight convert..

[jaria]

Point out where I defended Stuart Hall Jonsky

[Tiger]

Give yourself a pat on the back, you are such a martyr

[Tiger]

If I need councelling AWM it's because I have read one too many of
his, TB and ewill's posts lol. It is so bloody obvious what the tory
bastards want, they won't be happy until British people are working
all hours in Bangladesh style sweat shops for pennies, all they bang
on about is how we can't afford the minimum wage, how if we can't
afford to eat then we should all be working 24 hours a day and when I
read their shite Jar is quite right it does make me angry, it makes me
bloody livid. The likes of Jar thinks that if he puts 20p in a
collection tin his conscience is clear, well it bloody well isn't.

[Jonksy]

Yaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

[Jonksy]

Look it up yourself arsehole I have better things to do than wade through acres of your BULLSHIT and spam..

[jaria]

Not me that's the martyr tiger but its clear that you have a troubled mind

[Tiger]

Yes troubled by all the crap in this world a lot of which could be
sorted if it weren't for the likes of greedy people like you. Did you
watch Question Time last week? Did you hear the silly tory tart who
tried to put what happened in Bangladesh down to 'bad building
regulations', nothing to do with the fact that the poor buggers saw
the walls cracking around them, but stayed put because they were too
scared in case they lost their shitty little jobs that were probably
only paying enough to buy them a few grains of rice. That is what
being a tory is all about grabbing as much as you can and everybody
else can go to hell, literally.

[jaria]

Nope I don't watch question time because both sides say what they are supposed to say and Dimblebys constant interruptions are annoying.
However I was unaware that there was a Tory party in Bangladesh.

[Trueblue]

On Monday, May 6, 2013 3:09:55 PM UTC+1, GBur3 wrote:

His pension is paid by those currently working jar -

 

 

I'm not drawing a pension though I've paid in since I started working 44 years ago, I also have private pensions which I could draw on now but have frozen them in the hope anuities improve after the devestation of 13 years of Labour

[Trueblue]

On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 8:31:10 AM UTC+1, Tiger wrote:

 

 Did you hear the silly tory tart who
tried to put what happened in Bangladesh down to 'bad building
regulations', nothing to do with the fact that the poor buggers saw
the walls cracking around them,

 

And the walls cracked because of bad building regulations

[jaria]

On Tuesday, 7 May 2013 06:05:13 UTC+1, Jonksy wrote:
> Look it up yourself arsehole I have better things to do than wade through acres of your BULLSHIT and spam..
>
>  

> of course it wasn't Stuart Hall was it Jonsky it was Evans the deputy speaker I was talking about.think about it before you call people liars again

[Tiger]

No there isn't, but the ruling classes have the same mindset, but you
knew that didn't you.

[Tiger]

That wasn't the reason they all died though was it you plank, a lot of
lives no doubt would have been saved if they had got out when the
walls started cracking instead of sitting at their machines in
glorified slavery.

[Trueblue]

On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 10:02:44 AM UTC+1, Tiger wrote:

That wasn't the reason they all died though was it you plank, a lot of
lives no doubt would have been saved if they had got out when the
walls started cracking instead of sitting at their machines in
glorified slavery.

The fact they stayed is a seperate argument, the building collapsed because of poor building standands

[jaria]

It the usual practice in some parts to just add a story on to the property when the family grows. As you say those countries are full of ways around the law.

[Tiger]

The fact they stayed is the reason they died, because they were
terrified to leave in case they were sacked by their rich, slave
driver bosses. Isn't that want you want to see in Britain, people
working hours on end for a pittance.

[Trueblue]

On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 1:20:58 PM UTC+1, Tiger wrote:

The fact they stayed is the reason they died, because they were
terrified to leave in case they were sacked by their rich, slave
driver bosses.

 

 

Had the building conformed there would have been no collapse, if you socialist chavs stopped shopping in Primark they might still be alive, pennyless but still alive.

[tinman]

While Cameron gives away billions in foreign aid youth unemployment
has risen to record levels.