Bellefair Hebrew

[Liron Lavi Turkenich]

Hi everyone, 

I just finished writing this post and realised it was deleted… So now writing for the second time. 

I will be designing a Hebrew companion for Bellefair typeface by Nick Shinn. The Latin is a serifed typeface, with somewhat inscriptional qualities. My goal is to try and find a good equivalent for the Hebrew style, as Hebrew is traditionally written and not (stone-)cut. The model we do have for ancient inscriptions Hatzvi typeface, which does not fit Bellefair. Perhaps later on I would borrow some features from its skeleton as an historical wink. 

My approach is to treat this Hebrew companion not as a script that “matches” the Latin, but is “harmonised” with it. By this, I will try and avoid the easiest mistake possible- Latinising. 

The Hebrew should have the feel of the Latin, but should also stand on its own. 

Today (after spending way too much time trying to learn git) I worked on rough initial sketches by hand. I was trying to check some options for the instorkes (mistakingly called “serifs” in Hebrew) and the outstrokes. I was trying to incorporate the sharpness of the Latin serifs and see if it’s possible to include some version of them in the Hebrew. 

Because the stress in Hebrew is reversed (from Latin), finding forms that would make the “legs” of the letters balanced enough and not too thin is a bit of a challenge. 

Tomorrow (aka the next day I will work on the typeface) I will decide which sketches are going to be digitised and start working on Glyphs. I will try few of them and see which is the style to continue with. 

I’m happy to read and comments, ideas or notes. 

Have a lovely evening! 

Liron

[Liron Lavi Turkenich]

Forgot to add the Github repository for anyone who wishes to follow:

https://github.com/shinntype/bellefair

[Omer Ziv]

Hey Liron!

When you post updates to the group, would you mind including an image of your work?

Either here or somewhere in your folders on github would be great, it'll just make reviewing/commenting that much easier.

Looking forward to see your work!

Omer

[Liron Lavi Turkenich]

Hi everyone, 

First things first- Omer, you are right! Screenshot will be added here and also on the Github rep. 

Today I tried out a few options for the in and outstrokes. Here are the two I decided to keep and share here: 

I am thinking that the right option (first row) is better, as the second one seems Latinised. Bellefair doesn't have any round corners, it's very sharp so I was trying to find a way to insert those serifs in a way, possibly for the instrokes. 

ן also tried it for the Het and He, and would love to hear your opinion or comments. 

This is a basic step as will help to state the character of the whole script. 

May still change as usually happens to me in a more progressed stages of the design. 

Next time I will work on a different looking character (not a square one) so I can start with test words. And continue with the square ones (which are many, most of the letters)

Wishing you a good evening,

And for the ones in Israel- happy weekend!

Liron 

[Liron Lavi Turkenich]

Hi everyone,

Today I continues with some more characters. Still none is the final version, will probably change with time. 

few test words: 

On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 7:13:00 PM UTC+2, Liron Lavi Turkenich wrote:

Hi everyone, 

First things first- Omer, you are right! Screenshot will be added here and also on the Github rep. 

Today I tried out a few options for the in and outstrokes. Here are the two I decided to keep and share here: 

My two biggest dilemmas for now are the Yod and Vav, which I am not sure about. Here are a few of the option I had during working today. Will share more with time:

 Tomorrow I will continue, and go back to letters which i'm not very happy with (Kuf and Lamed). 

[Nick Shinn]

Liron, looking very distinguished. One thing though—are the sidebearings wide enough? The Latin style has a tiny x-height and is thus very openly fitted. (Disclaimer: I know nothing about Hebrew—just asking.)

On Tuesday, October 27, 2015 at 4:14:34 PM UTC-4, Liron Lavi Turkenich wrote:

[Dave Crossland]

Hi nick

Is it openly fitted to give more space between letters because there is more space between lines in paragraphs with default line spacing, due to the low x height?

I imagine bellefair likely used at display sizes, where tighter fitting is typical, and not too many lines.

Cheers
Dave

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[Nick Shinn]

Dave,

This was conceived as a text face.

The idea is that the “aggressive readability” of the first generation of screen fonts, with their large x-heights and obvious features, is predicated on low resolution screens.

With the advent of high res screens, web typography is becoming increasingly sophisticated, more like print typography, and smaller counters and finer details are possible.

Therefore, Bellefair is in the tradition of the classic book faces preferred for sustained, immersive reading, with their small x-heights and generous proportions—such as Bembo, Garamond, and of course Perpetua.

The open fitting of the lower case is a bit deceptive—other things being equal, were Bellefair to have a larger x-height, it would appear to be more tightly fitted.

The ratio of x-height to stem-to-stem distance between letters being the significant factor, determining the proportions of the space between letters, and thus how open it appears.

The small x-height also accommodates lower case diacritics comfortably, good for reading in languages that are heavily accented.

I trust that web designers will set it with sufficient linespacing.

For display use, I anticipate that it will be used in all cap setting, very inscriptional (as Liron observed).

In the capitals, I used the same method of spacing as in Trajan—wide sidebearings between vertical stems, but close on the arms of L, T, V, W and Y.

This too produces a quality of openness, as those letters with arms are less frequent in text. And letterspacing is traditional for classic capitals.

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[Dave Crossland]

Hi

Fascinating stuff :) Thanks Nick!

I hope that you can add this information to the README.md on the github :)

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[Liron Lavi Turkenich]

Thank you Nick for this input. 

Actually I almost didn't work on the spacing at all. I do however, believe that this would be an important part of what will make the Hebrew harmonised with the Latin so I do plan to spend a lot of time on it, and make the same visual spacing in the Hebrew. 

Because the Hebrew has many open letters (to the right, the reading direction), they seem very airy anyways. Therefore optical spacing will be the way it's done. 

More updates later. 

Have a lovely day, 

Liron

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[Pablo Impallari]

It will be very interesting to see how users respond to a low x-height face like this one.

Brandon Grotesque, a low-x sans, got very popular on myfonts (https://www.myfonts.com/fonts/hvdfonts/brandon-grotesque/).

I will also suggest that, if possible, Nick should add a Regular Italic and a Bold Roman, so the font becomes a small family.
Being a single style may stop some people from choosing it, in particular for a text font.

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[Dave Crossland]

On 3 November 2015 at 20:35, Pablo Impallari <impa...@gmail.com> wrote:

It will be very interesting to see how users respond to a low x-height face like this one.

Brandon Grotesque, a low-x sans, got very popular on myfonts (https://www.myfonts.com/fonts/hvdfonts/brandon-grotesque/).

I will also suggest that, if possible, Nick should add a Regular Italic and a Bold Roman, so the font becomes a small family.
Being a single style may stop some people from choosing it, in particular for a text font.

Maybe next year :)

 

[Helmut Wollmersdorfer]

Hi Liron,

nice work so far.

Maybe think about providing Yiddish ligatures.

Should be a low hanging fruit:

http://demo.icu-project.org/icu-bin/ubrowse?s=YIDDISH

װ U+05F0 HEBREW LIGATURE YIDDISH DOUBLE VAV 

ױ U+05F1 HEBREW LIGATURE YIDDISH VAV YOD

ײ U+05F2 HEBREW LIGATURE YIDDISH DOUBLE YOD

ײַ U+FB1F HEBREW LIGATURE YIDDISH YOD YOD PATAH

Helmut Wollmersdorfer

[Liron Lavi Turkenich]

Hello everyone, 

Thank you all for your comments.

Today I was continuing to work on the basic character set:

I still have three characters missing, and those will be designed tomorrow. I prefer to have them all basically designed at this stage and then continue working on each once I start setting words. There are issues of weight that will need to be attended, as well as color and balance with the Latin. 

Helmut, thank you for your comment. I will indeed design the Yiddish ligatures as well. 

-Liron

[Liron Lavi Turkenich]

Hi everyone, 

Today I completed the character set and did some refinements. 

I also started to work on the spacing in accordance with the Latin (the spacing is one of the things that will make the two scripts harmonised, so it's crucil that it will be good and I plan to spend a lot of time on it). 

The next day of working on Bellefair Hebrew would be for more refinements and spacing. 

Good night!

Liron

[Omer Ziv]

Hey Liron,

Just quickly giving my 2 cents on this -- 

I feel like the ל׳ is a little foreign to the rest of the alphabet. Something about it feels harsher and thinner than the rest.
(I haven't checked but assuming it might be related some Latin characters - but Hebrew won't necessarily have a lot of Latin around it when used in the real world).

 

In addition, any chance the י׳ is just a little too big?

Thanks for these updates, this project is really interesting!

- Omer

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[Liron Lavi Turkenich]

 Hi Omer, 

Thank you for the feedback! I also don't feel confident enough with the Lamed (however, I didn't work with any Latin parts on it. I'm super carful about those things). 

I will check regarding the Yod, but this is one of the common misconceptions about the Yod- when seen separately from text, it always seems too big (as a reference it can be nice to look at the David Hebrew post Meir published yesterday. The Yod there also seems huge). The reason for this is that it's such a small character that may seem lost in text. I will anyways do some more tests in text. 

Thank you once again for those comments!

Liron

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[Georg Duffner]

Hi Liron,

it’s a bit awkward for me to comment here because I’m not really fluent
in reading hebrew script and when I do I only understand the germanic
parts of yiddish and the romance parts of ladino but this lamed caught
my attention: it caused an effect like an opitcal illusion when I looked
at it individually. It changed between a hebrew lamed and an s-rune.
Perhaps I’m too sensitive on this kind of symbols but it was very
unconfortable for me. This effect is probably due to the ratio of the
upper arm’s length to the length of the horizontal bar, combined with
the pointy shape. Seeing that (besides the qof) no other letter shows
this kind of pointy shape, perhaps a more rounded approach might be better.

Best regards
Georg

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>>> The next day of working on Bellefair Hebrew would be for more refinements
>>> and spacing.
>>>
>>> Good night!
>>> Liron
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 6:42:48 PM UTC+2, Liron Lavi Turkenich
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>
>>>> Thank you all for your comments.
>>>> Today I was continuing to work on the basic character set:
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> I still have three characters missing, and those will be designed
>>>> tomorrow. I prefer to have them all basically designed at this stage and
>>>> then continue working on each once I start setting words. There are issues
>>>> of weight that will need to be attended, as well as color and balance with
>>>> the Latin.
>>>>
>>>>

>>>> *Helmut*, thank you for your comment. I will indeed design the Yiddish

>>>> ligatures as well.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Liron
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 6:27:35 AM UTC+2, Helmut
>>>> Wollmersdorfer wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Liron,
>>>>>
>>>>> nice work so far.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe think about providing Yiddish ligatures.
>>>>>
>>>>> Should be a low hanging fruit:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://demo.icu-project.org/icu-bin/ubrowse?s=YIDDISH
>>>>>
>>>>> װ U+05F0 HEBREW LIGATURE YIDDISH DOUBLE VAV

>>>>> <http://demo.icu-project.org/icu-bin/ubrowse?ch=05F0#here>

>>>>> ױ U+05F1 HEBREW LIGATURE YIDDISH VAV YOD

>>>>> <http://demo.icu-project.org/icu-bin/ubrowse?ch=05F1#here>

>>>>> ײ U+05F2 HEBREW LIGATURE YIDDISH DOUBLE YOD

>>>>> <http://demo.icu-project.org/icu-bin/ubrowse?ch=05F2#here>

>>>>> ײַ U+FB1F HEBREW LIGATURE YIDDISH YOD YOD PATAH

>>>>> <http://demo.icu-project.org/icu-bin/ubrowse?ch=FB1F#here>

>>>>>
>>>>> Helmut Wollmersdorfer
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[Liron Lavi Turkenich]

Hi everyone, 

Today I finished the basic spacing, and made some changes in the Lamed and Quf (after the replies I received. Thank you Omer and Georg). Two options are here below: 

I also checked the Hebrew alongside the Latin and faced a challenge. The Latin has more contrast and thinning in the joints. The Hebrew naturally has less joints and by making a higher contrast (thinning the vertical) the overall color became lighter than the Latin. 

For now I tried to thin the joints when I could, without harming the Hebrew, not sure yet which set is better (top is thinned joints, bottom is original). The bottom one has the overall color as the Latin but only by looking at the macro. When looking at each character specifically it is evident that the Hebrew has much less contrast, and so it might not seem as the right companion for the Latin. 

Tomorrow I will look more into this issue and decide which set of Lamed and Quf to go with, as well as work on some weight issues in specific characters. 

Good evening!

Liron

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[Liron Lavi Turkenich]

Hi all who are interested in Hebrew, 

Today I made some trails with text for the two options of the Hebrew (thinner joints as one of them) for the purpose of going well with the Latin. Those tests were set alongside Bellefair Latin, so I would have the chance to see how it looks.

Here are some screenshots of a single word, some text zoomed in and one shot of the text in small:

(third image as an attachment)

I think the thinner joints work better with the Latin, so I will continue with them. 

I also worked on making outstrokes more similar, kind of regularising a bit. Also, thinning out some parts in letters which stood out as too black. 

Tomorrow I will work some more on the characters, and start to build the Nikkud (vowel marks). 

Good evening, 

Liron 

[Liron Lavi Turkenich]

Hi everyone, 

Today I was working on the Nikkud (the Hebrew vowel marks) and on completing the whole glyph set needed. 

I designed the marks and their positioning, and tested it in indesign. 

Tomorrow I will work more on the letters, I want to check their balance and weight. 

Have a lovely rest of the day, 

Liron

[Liron Lavi Turkenich]

Hi everyone, 

Today I was working more on the positioning of the Nikkud with some test documents (you can see in the github rep). I was also testing some text of Hebrew alongside Latin, and I'm quite happy with the overall color. The spacing of the Latin is more airy, but because there are many open characters in Hebrew there was a need to close it up a bit, so the script wouldn't look too spread out. Regarding relative "x"-height, the Hebrew is a bit taller than the Latin, which doesn't appear so when looking at some Latin text because of the very long ascenders and descenders, and the upper case. 

I was marking several changes and tweaks I want to do, and that will be my goal for tomorrow. Also- trying out some more text with Nikkud. 

Have a lovely evening, 

Liron

[Liron Lavi Turkenich]

Hi all, 

Today I was continuing to check my test sheets and going over things that might need to be changed. My biggest accomplishment today is the Lamed. I felt that the design wasn't good enough and didn't match the Latin at all, so I reworked on it and quite happy with the outcome (would love to hear your thoughts on it!). The sentence is with the new Lamed and below are options I designed before deciding on this one. 

I also designed the Hebrew Geresh, which is like an apostrophe. 

Next time I will implement the changes needed. 

[Meir Sadan]

Hey Liron!

I took your latest Bellefair for a spin and these are my thoughts:

A lot of the design details are beautiful! Especially ג gimel and the ש shin which for me is always one of the hardest letters to crack.

Overall, the resulting text block creates very small text relative to the point size, even comparing to other "serifed" faces like Frank Ruhl and Hadassah. I see the decision comes from making the pole of the ל lamed reminiscent of a Latin ascender, but in my opinion it looks a bit too long.

The bottom of the lamed looks a bit "unfinished" – like it's almost a straight line going diagonally down, instead of traditionally breaking a bit near the bottom. Maybe it's worth to try making it a little bit like the bottom right part of your ש shin or ס samekh?

The geresh is very small, almost like an accent. Also, its top is usually aligned to the top of the mem height or just slightly above it.

Spacing might be a little too tight compared to the Latin, but maybe you haven't got around to it yet?

Cheers! :>

[Liron Lavi Turkenich]

Hi everyone, 

Meir, thanks for the great feedback! I worked on some of your comments, and I feel that there's a big improvment!

Today I worked more on the Lamed (according to Meir's comment), and the quf. I feel that they are working better with the rest of the style now. I also changed the Mem which I was not happy with and some other changes and tryouts for more characters. (see the new Lamed and Mem on top and the old ones at the bottom:)

I also changed the size on the Hebrew to be a bit larger. This caused it to become lighter compared with the Latin, so I thickened it a bit. I worked on only a few characters to see how it works. You can see in the images below the "original", the bigger, and the bigger and thicker:

Tomorrow, I will implement this new big change, work more on the spacing and adjust the Nikkud according to the new size. 

Have a good evening!

Liron

[Liron Lavi Turkenich]

Hi everyone, 

Today I implemented the change of enlarging (and adding a tiny but more weight) to all the characters. This is now working better with the Latin. I also changed the positions of the Nikkud accordingly and regularised the typeface (including checking for extreme points and cleaning up). 

Tomorrow- spacing and kerning! 

and as always, you can see the rep: 

https://github.com/shinntype/bellefair

Good evening, 

Liron

[Dave Crossland]

Hi!

Liron, thanks for your diligent posting of daily updates, this is a fantastic log of the project's progress :) 

Meir, thanks for your thoughtful feedback

Cheers
Dave

[Liron Lavi Turkenich]

Hi everyone, 

(and thanks Dave!)

Today I spent a lot of time on the spacing, trying to find a good balance between the Hebrew and the Latin. This was a big challenge as indeed the Hebrew needed more open spacing, but as its characters are anyways more open than the Latin in their shapes, the result may become too light in overall color. I was also trying to thicken the strokes of the Hebrew a bit (very little) so see if the color is better, and it wasn't.

Next time I will work on the kerning and do some more tests of Hebrew next to Latin and Hebrew on its own. 

Have a lovely evening!

Liron

[Liron Lavi Turkenich]

Hi everyone, 

Today I worked on some kerning pairs and designed the Shekel symbol. 

Next time, continue with the kerning! and then continue with testings of my own.

Have a lovely evening, 

Liron

[Liron Lavi Turkenich]

Hi everyone, 

I am very close to finishing the typeface. Today I was going through test documents, and the impallari webpage. I was also working on the kerning, fixing small details etc. 

Hopefully next time I write would be with the final files. 

You are most welcome to browse through the files in the Github rep:

https://github.com/shinntype/bellefair


Have a lovely evening, 

Liron

[Liron Lavi Turkenich]

Hi everyone, 

Today I was going through another few test documents, (one of which has much text for checking kerning).  Bellefair Hebrew is just about ready, I just need to solve one OT issue of Nikkud clashing at certain combinations. After it- that's it. 

I would love to read any comments and ideas about it. 

Please see the Github rep:

https://github.com/shinntype/bellefair

and the latest test file:

https://github.com/shinntype/bellefair/blob/gh-pages/_tests/test_15.12.13.pdf

the final character set: 

Have a lovely evening, 

Liron