Educational cursive fonts to teach primary children (3-11) handwriting

[Timothy Longman]

Hi all,

I am a teacher in a primary school which uses Chromebooks. Teaching handwriting to children is still an important task and we just can't find any Google fonts that we can use in Google docs to help children learn to write. Sure - there are loads of cursive fonts - but they seem to all aim to mimic handwriting as opposed to teach it.

If you're scratching your head to what I mean I've a couple of links to educational software providers in the UK that provide such fonts on Windows.

http://www.cursivewriting.org/joined-cursive-fonts.html

this one puts the dots into the font for tracing and arrows for direction so children can trace on paper.

http://www.kber.co.uk/hfw30.htm

Many, many apologies if such fonts exist on Google fonts - I have looked at the 123 handwriting latin fonts available and can see nothing suitable. I have also asked on the G+ edu group and got no suggestions.

If anyone was interested in doing fonts in this style it would be very much appreciated by many schools.

[Dave Crossland]

Hi Timothy

This is a very good idea. I can't promise anything but it may be possible for Google Fonts to commission a new font family for this purpose in the future. If you were able to raise funds, there are many font developers who could do a great job for you, and the cost would likely not be very high - say US$10,000. Also if you can find any fonts published under the SIL Open Font License that would be suitable, I can likely onboard them into Google Fonts.

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[Raph Levien]

I'd match funds up to 5k. Feel free to communicate that to the requester and other relevant ppl. Better if it can be run through a nonprofit but not a requirement.

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[Timothy Longman]

That's very generous of you Ralph. Can we crowd source the rest? My school would put in $300 - I am sure others would too over at the G+ GFE https://plus.google.com/u/0/+GoogleforEducation/posts

I am surprised Google hasn't just funded it given the way they are promoting Chromebooks in K12 at the moment.

On Friday, 26 February 2016 16:41:59 UTC, Raph Levien wrote:

I'd match funds up to 5k. Feel free to communicate that to the requester and other relevant ppl. Better if it can be run through a nonprofit but not a requirement.

R

On Feb 26, 2016 8:38 AM, "Dave Crossland" <da...@lab6.com> wrote:

Hi Timothy

This is a very good idea. I can't promise anything but it may be possible for Google Fonts to commission a new font family for this purpose in the future. If you were able to raise funds, there are many font developers who could do a great job for you, and the cost would likely not be very high - say US$10,000. Also if you can find any fonts published under the SIL Open Font License that would be suitable, I can likely onboard them into Google Fonts.

On 18 February 2016 at 17:55, Timothy Longman <timothyl...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all,

I am a teacher in a primary school which uses Chromebooks. Teaching handwriting to children is still an important task and we just can't find any Google fonts that we can use in Google docs to help children learn to write. Sure - there are loads of cursive fonts - but they seem to all aim to mimic handwriting as opposed to teach it.

If you're scratching your head to what I mean I've a couple of links to educational software providers in the UK that provide such fonts on Windows.

http://www.cursivewriting.org/joined-cursive-fonts.html

this one puts the dots into the font for tracing and arrows for direction so children can trace on paper.

http://www.kber.co.uk/hfw30.htm

Many, many apologies if such fonts exist on Google fonts - I have looked at the 123 handwriting latin fonts available and can see nothing suitable. I have also asked on the G+ edu group and got no suggestions.

If anyone was interested in doing fonts in this style it would be very much appreciated by many schools.

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[Dave Crossland]

On 26 February 2016 at 13:16, Timothy Longman <timothyl...@gmail.com> wrote:

Can we crowd source the rest?

Surely! :)  

It would be good to clarify EXACTLY what you want; how many languages to support, which exact style of handwriting you want, how many 'extra' versions (with lines/dots/etc), how many glyph variants, etc

[Erin McLaughlin]

Hi everyone!

I'm one of the Google Web Fonts contributors, and I've previously worked on a print/cursive font for a client who was making custom handwriting worksheets. It would be a great starting point for this, I believe. I can adapt what I already have to suit the writing style that you're looking for, and make some other improvements. Would save time rather than starting from scratch. Just wanted to let you know that I'd be interested in working on this!

– Erin

[Erin McLaughlin]

I forgot to add, we also created a version that had directional arrows and numbered starting points that would teach the stroke-order for the letters. I'll see if I can find a picture of it quickly...

[Dave Crossland]

Hi Erin

Wow, that's great! Was it developed as a stroke font, similar to https://github.com/erinmclaughlin/Hubballi ?

Cheers

Dave

[Erin McLaughlin]

Hi Dave,

No, but I'm much faster at vector drawing now. I could easily re-make it with this stroke method so that we can easily make different weights if so desired.

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[Karambir Singh Rohilla]

Hi Deve
that's great!

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[Juan Luis Blanco]

Hi everyone,

this is an interesting project. To anyone involved in its design, I would suggest reading the works of Rosemary Sassoon, particularly: "The art and Science of Handwriting" and "Handwriting Problems in the Secondary School". "The acquisition of a Second Writing System" would also be a good reading.

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Juan

[Karambir Singh Rohilla]

Hi all

 I have also developed a handwriting font

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[Timothy Longman]

Trouble is as you say there are lots of different potential styles. We use joinitc1 (the basic one) here http://www.cursivewriting.org/joined-cursive-fonts.html

Having a look at that website you can see the possible variations.

Another supplier in the windows world gives quite a lot of options to "create" your own. See image.

Plus of course the dotted line and arrow versions....

[Pathum Egodawatta]

Hi all!

This is exciting, just wanted to point something out.

In Sri Lanka government introduced a new font based on the National Education Institute's approved alphabet to teach writing. This was because different publishers were publishing writing books without any standard.

So it is important to do a background research in that area to see if there are any standards enforced by educators. And make sure that it is clear what style or country it is meant for when publishing such fonts :)

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[Erin McLaughlin]

Great point! Maybe it'd be a good idea to make a suite of fonts based on the different styles?

On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 10:23:07 AM UTC-6, Pathum Egodawatta wrote:

Hi all!

This is exciting, just wanted to point something out.

In Sri Lanka government introduced a new font based on the National Education Institute's approved alphabet to teach writing. This was because different publishers were publishing writing books without any standard.

So it is important to do a background research in that area to see if there are any standards enforced by educators. And make sure that it is clear what style or country it is meant for when publishing such fonts :)

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016, 11:32 AM Timothy Longman <timothyl...@gmail.com> wrote:

Trouble is as you say there are lots of different potential styles. We use joinitc1 (the basic one) here http://www.cursivewriting.org/joined-cursive-fonts.html

Having a look at that website you can see the possible variations.

Another supplier in the windows world gives quite a lot of options to "create" your own. See image.

Plus of course the dotted line and arrow versions....

On Friday, 26 February 2016 18:28:05 UTC, Dave Crossland wrote:

On 26 February 2016 at 13:16, Timothy Longman <timothyl...@gmail.com> wrote:

Can we crowd source the rest?

Surely! :)  

It would be good to clarify EXACTLY what you want; how many languages to support, which exact style of handwriting you want, how many 'extra' versions (with lines/dots/etc), how many glyph variants, etc

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[Timothy Longman]

Yup, if it were to happen it should be a new category in the font picker.

[mgr...@mansfieldschool.com]

How do I add this font to my google drive?  I've looked and looked for a font with printing lines for my first graders to use in Google drive.  This would be perfect.  

Meghan

[Dave Crossland]

Hi

This font can only be added through the centralized Google Fonts
service, which I manage.

I will see what I can do to onboard such a font, but I can make no
commitments about when this might ship

Cheers
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[Timothy Longman]

Great news if we are getting such fonts. I look forward to hearing it is available! It will be of great interest to educators.

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[Jacques Le Bailly]

Great news if we are getting such fonts. I look forward to hearing it is available! It will be of great interest to educators

I think it would be a nice addition to the collection, but it should be also made clear which writing system it is based on and in which country it has been designed in. Every country has its own specific writing solutions and models to teach their children to write properly.

[Timothy Longman]

Just checking into this thread again - here is another example of such a font not available for use in G suite. https://www.twinkl.co.uk/twinkl-handwriting-font

Jacque - I agree - there are different ways to teach handwriting and even in the same country teachers use different styles - so there needs to be a category of fonts that cover the 90% of methods. I would see these type of fonts as a different category in Google fonts to go along with the current ones of Display, Handwriting, Monospace, Serif and Sans Serif

Dave - did you make any progress?

[Dave Crossland]

Hi

No, currently not any active development of such fonts, although this is on my agenda and I recently asked around for teams interested in funding such a thing. So far, no takers.

I suggest trying to organize something on Kickstarter, etc - if there's a high quality font under OFL, I'll onboard it. 

On 11 May 2018 at 07:45, Timothy Longman <timothyl...@gmail.com> wrote:

Just checking into this thread again - here is another example of such a font not available for use in G suite. https://www.twinkl.co.uk/twinkl-handwriting-font

Jacque - I agree - there are different ways to teach handwriting and even in the same country teachers use different styles - so there needs to be a family of fonts that cover the 90% of methods. I would see these type of fonts as a different category in Google fonts to go along with the current ones of Display, Handwriting, Monospace, Serif and Sans Serif

Dave - did you make any progress?

On Wednesday, 1 March 2017 15:18:12 UTC, Jacques Le Bailly wrote:

Great news if we are getting such fonts. I look forward to hearing it is available! It will be of great interest to educators

I think it would be a nice addition to the collection, but it should be also made clear which writing system it is based on and in which country it has been designed in. Every country has its own specific writing solutions and models to teach their children to write properly.

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[Vlad Chufar]

Hi Dave

 

Nothing bad happened, as there are other resources for these post-modern fonts mailings.

But nevertheless, I am staying in my intention to be helpful for Google Fonts (GF) project.

And thus, yours GF-project stays the first address for our fonts promotion.

Thanks

Vlad

2018-05-11 18:16 GMT-04:00 Dave Crossland <da...@lab6.com>:

Hi

No, currently not any active development of such fonts, although this is on my agenda and I recently asked around for teams interested in funding such a thing. So far, no takers.

I suggest trying to organize something on Kickstarter, etc - if there's a high quality font under OFL, I'll onboard it. 

On 11 May 2018 at 07:45, Timothy Longman <timothyl...@gmail.com> wrote:

Just checking into this thread again - here is another example of such a font not available for use in G suite. https://www.twinkl.co.uk/twinkl-handwriting-font

Jacque - I agree - there are different ways to teach handwriting and even in the same country teachers use different styles - so there needs to be a family of fonts that cover the 90% of methods. I would see these type of fonts as a different category in Google fonts to go along with the current ones of Display, Handwriting, Monospace, Serif and Sans Serif

Dave - did you make any progress?

On Wednesday, 1 March 2017 15:18:12 UTC, Jacques Le Bailly wrote:

Great news if we are getting such fonts. I look forward to hearing it is available! It will be of great interest to educators

I think it would be a nice addition to the collection, but it should be also made clear which writing system it is based on and in which country it has been designed in. Every country has its own specific writing solutions and models to teach their children to write properly.

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[Timothy Longman]

Hi Dave,

Thanks for the update. Have you been able to talk to the guys at Google Education? They might have funding for such a project?

On Fri, 11 May 2018, 23:17 Dave Crossland, <da...@lab6.com> wrote:

Hi

No, currently not any active development of such fonts, although this is on my agenda and I recently asked around for teams interested in funding such a thing. So far, no takers.

I suggest trying to organize something on Kickstarter, etc - if there's a high quality font under OFL, I'll onboard it. 

On 11 May 2018 at 07:45, Timothy Longman <timothyl...@gmail.com> wrote:

Just checking into this thread again - here is another example of such a font not available for use in G suite. https://www.twinkl.co.uk/twinkl-handwriting-font

Jacque - I agree - there are different ways to teach handwriting and even in the same country teachers use different styles - so there needs to be a family of fonts that cover the 90% of methods. I would see these type of fonts as a different category in Google fonts to go along with the current ones of Display, Handwriting, Monospace, Serif and Sans Serif

Dave - did you make any progress?

On Wednesday, 1 March 2017 15:18:12 UTC, Jacques Le Bailly wrote:

Great news if we are getting such fonts. I look forward to hearing it is available! It will be of great interest to educators

I think it would be a nice addition to the collection, but it should be also made clear which writing system it is based on and in which country it has been designed in. Every country has its own specific writing solutions and models to teach their children to write properly.

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[daniel....@cmc.qld.edu.au]

This is awesome. I believe an all round english font could and should be established on Google that fits all contexts. 

For an Australian perspective this website has the Australian fonts. http://www.australianschoolfonts.com.au/styles/ 

As an Aussie teacher (for ages 5 to 12), the Aussie fonts are all fairly similar and should be easy to replicate. Here is an example of a collection/suite of styles that school-educators have asked for in a font, not necessarily that we should have all of these though: http://www.schoolfonts.com.au/Fonts_NSW.html 

Particularly note: 

• the first
• the 5th style down the page, which is an outlined style with a dot and arrow indicating direction of how to write. This feature is very important for helping teaching reading and for dsylexic children. 
  
• also note the slight italic angle
  
• very few to NO elaborations - a modern cursive style should allow efficiency and improve our writing considering human functionality and ergonomics. 
• the space between words should equal a double letter spacing or double+half a letter. eg you should be able to fit two "o" letters in between each word. This improves readability for younger children, and helps them see the letters versus the words.

I don't know if it helps, but I believe something between Bad Script (https://fonts.google.com/specimen/Bad+Script) and Kalam (https://fonts.google.com/specimen/Kalam) - these appear to be the closest google fonts that I can find. But they really need the suite of fonts similar to the schoolfonts link above.

Awesome. Keep this rolling.

[Timothy Longman]

Hi Daniel,

Unfortunately this thread has been going for a number of years with no progress because while generally everyone thinks it is a good idea I've no idea who the people at Google Education are (I have tried posting in several G+ groups to no effect) and they are the ones with the money to enable such a project unless anyone else wants to pay for open source fonts and get Dave (if he is still working on this) to put them onto the google fonts library.

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[Timothy Longman]

Just something to keep this going - lots and lots of cursive fonts available from Google - but none actually designed to help children learn to write.......  Please Google! Setup a new font category  (education) and put this in place!!!!

[Dave Crossland]

I'm hoping to do this next year :)

[Eben Sorkin]

That does seem like a very good idea.

[William Harrison]

We are also looking for some good cursive fonts for teaching handwriting to Elementary/Primary-aged children. We previously used a commercial font (Nelson font from Oxford University Press) which could be used in Microsoft Office, but since switching from Office to Google Workspace in our school we haven't been able to find a good replacement. I really hope someone is developing one that will be available in Google Fonts soon!

[Santosh Kshirsagar]

Hi Dave

Yes font for handwriting is required idea (already late.... but its a need). 

(As my research area of PhD was "Devanagari Handwriting acquisition", Completed in 2018)

Do let me know if Google is planning for India. I'm ready to team-up with Ek-Type for the same.

regards-

santosh

[Dave Crossland]

Thank you sir, I am optimistic that we will get there eventually. First I am looking at the technology to create such fonts using only libre software :)

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[Timothy Longman]

As you can see we have been asking for 5 years! 1st post on this thread is 2016. Hopefully Google will get round to it at some point.

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[William Harrison]

Any news on this a year later?

We are still looking for a good cursive font to use in Primary/Elementary education across all the Google apps.

[Timothy Longman]

We seem unable to get through to anyone in Google Education as to why fonts which help children learn to handwrite are still important in schools.

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[Eben Sorkin]

What model/s for handwriting instruction seem most valid / attractive / relevant?

Why?

Would fonts made from a diversity of these be best?

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[Timothy Longman]

Lots of info on that here from a Windows software provider

https://linkpenfonts.co.uk/index.php?main_page=page&id=41

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