This is getting beyond a joke

[Richard Vowles]

GWT 2.0.4 has been out for at least two weeks now and it still isn't
in maven central. I understand that the Google guys don't use maven or
ivy, but for those who do (i.e. anyone serious about their builds
reliability and repeatability) the releases of GWT not being available
in central within a day or two of release is an incredible pain in the
backside and a very negative image for GWT in corporate. We are
suffering this Safari problem and now I'm going to have to manually
insert these artefacts into our repository.

This is *not* hard, Sonatype have been really good about making this
straight forward. Who is responsible for doing this and who has done
it in the past? Whoever you are, if you can't do it quickly I
volunteer to take over the responsibility for it and make sure it is
in within a couple of days. If I get to do it it, I'll also create a
new googlecode repository for the nightlies for people to version
range over if they wish.

Richard

[Paul Grenyer]

Hi

If you need it that much, why don't you host your own repository, such as Nexus? That's what we do for Ivy.

Paul

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[Richard Vowles]

We do host our own repository - thats not the point. The point is that
thousands of people use GWT and use dependency management, not having
it go into central as a matter of course is simply ridiculous! It is
absolutely, point blank unprofessional.

[Jaroslav Záruba]

Or, maybe you're over-estimating importance of Maven for average GWT-developer...?

[dougx]

+1

On Jul 14, 10:10 am, Jaroslav Záruba <jaroslav.zar...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Or, maybe you're over-estimating importance of Maven for average
> GWT-developer...?
>

> On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 3:39 AM, Richard Vowles <richard.vow...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
> > We do host our own repository - thats not the point. The point is that
> > thousands of people use GWT and use dependency management, not having
> > it go into central as a matter of course is simply ridiculous! It is
> > absolutely, point blank unprofessional.
>
> > On Jul 13, 4:32 pm, "Paul Grenyer" <paul.gren...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hi
>
> > > If you need it that much, why don't you host your own repository, such as
> > Nexus? That's what we do for Ivy.
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[Paul Grenyer]

This is free software, there is no obligation.

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[Paul Grenyer]

I'd say so.

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Subject: Re: This is getting beyond a joke

[Kasper Hansen]

I tend to agree with Richard, maybe not formulated to like he do, but
I understand his frustrations. What I don't understand is why you guys
need to respond in this manner, when the guy clearly is venting his
frustrations.

I would also wish that Google would take Maven more seriously. I can
only recommend all that agree to star the issues regarding Maven in
the bug tracker.

Cheers,

:-) Kasper

[Jaroslav Záruba]

On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 7:22 AM, Kasper Hansen <kbhd...@gmail.com> wrote:

What I don't understand is why you guys
need to respond in this manner, when the guy clearly is venting his
frustrations.

Pardon? In what manner? Are you serious? :))

All the responses were perfectly correct, I'm not sure you can say the same about the original message - look at the message subject for the starters.

I'm in no way related to GWT-team but I'm not sure the original poster has chosen the most suitable tone when asking the GWT-team to aim their efforts according to his needs.

I for one think there are important things to do when it comes to GWT, and I don't miss Maven integration/support at all. Of course, everyone has their own opinion.

 

I would also wish that Google would take Maven more seriously. I can
only recommend all that agree to star the issues regarding Maven in
the bug tracker.

That's what I usually do, instead of being sarcastic when asking for something. :P

Regards

  J. Záruba

[monkeyboy]

On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 7:22 AM, Kasper Hansen <kbhdk1...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I would also wish that Google would take Maven more seriously. I can
> only recommend all that agree to star the issues regarding Maven in
> the bug tracker.

Here it is (the issue regarding Maven):
http://code.google.com/p/google-web-toolkit/issues/detail?id=4673

There are only 23 stars so far.

[gustav]

Richard raises a valid concern that is easy to fix with automated
script in the release process.

I have noticed it many times, and once again the attitude in the
responses is quite scary, it drives away the few serious people that
do indeed get interest for GWT.
The responses just show what a immature bunch of aggressive kids the
GWT users in general are, not problem solving and quality driven
professional software engineers.

On Jul 14, 7:14 am, "Paul Grenyer" <paul.gren...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'd say so.
>

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>
> Or, maybe you're over-estimating importance of Maven for average
> GWT-developer...?
>

> On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 3:39 AM, Richard Vowles <richard.vow...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > We do host our own repository - thats not the point. The point is that
> > thousands of people use GWT and use dependency management, not having
> > it go into central as a matter of course is simply ridiculous! It is
> > absolutely, point blank unprofessional.
>
> > On Jul 13, 4:32 pm, "Paul Grenyer" <paul.gren...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hi
>
> > > If you need it that much, why don't you host your own repository, such as
> > Nexus? That's what we do for Ivy.
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[Christian Goudreau]

I don't think real professionnel enjoying GWT as much as I do would answer badly and I don't think either that it's gonna make em flee. There's alway a "Bob" in a company that always answer stupidly. For me... what I love the most NOT being maven is that it's even easier to get the best of the two world.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying build process is faster or more efficient, I just love not having to botter if repo is maven or not.

Cheers,

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Christian Goudreau

[Jaroslav Záruba]

On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 7:40 AM, gustav <gustav...@gmail.com> wrote:

Richard raises a valid concern that is easy to fix with automated
script in the release process.

I have noticed it many times, and once again the attitude in the
responses is quite scary, it drives away the few serious people that
do indeed get interest for GWT.
The responses just show what a immature bunch of aggressive kids the
GWT users in general are, not problem solving and quality driven
professional software engineers.

Please, do re-post single "aggressive" response.

Thank you!

[Jaroslav Záruba]

Have you read the same conversation I did?

Look what subject has the original poster chosen:

"This is getting beyond a joke"

In my book this has way closer to being "aggresssive" than anything anyone has replied so far.

"I understand that the Google guys don't use maven or ivy, but for those who do (i.e. anyone serious about their builds reliability and repeatability)"

Wow, so all of us who do not use Maven (the Google team including) are not serious about their jobs.

"...not having it go into central as a matter of course is simply ridiculous! It is absolutely, point blank unprofessional."

:P

Again, who has been the aggressive one here??? And in what response exactly?

2010/7/14 Jaroslav Záruba <jarosla...@gmail.com>

[Jaroslav Záruba]

Nothing, of course.

Maybe next time, Gustav, you should read more carefully before you start calling people "immature aggressive kids".

Shame on you.

2010/7/14 Jaroslav Záruba <jarosla...@gmail.com>

[nisse gammal]

Jaroslav, your extreme reactions makes it self evident that you fit
the description =)

[David Vree]

+! Maven is critical to this developer

On Jul 14, 12:15 pm, Jaroslav Záruba <jaroslav.zar...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Nothing, of course.
>
> Maybe next time, Gustav, you should read more carefully before you start
> calling people "immature aggressive kids".
> Shame on you.
>

> 2010/7/14 Jaroslav Záruba <jaroslav.zar...@gmail.com>

>
> > Have you read the same conversation I did?
>
> > Look what subject has the original poster chosen:

> > *"This is getting beyond a joke"*

> > In my book this has way closer to being "aggresssive" than anything anyone
> > has replied so far.
>

> > *"I understand that the Google guys don't use maven or ivy, but for those

> > who do (i.e. anyone serious about their builds reliability and

> > repeatability)"*

> > Wow, so all of us who do not use Maven (the Google team including) are not
> > serious about their jobs.
>

> > *"...not having it go into central as a matter of course is simply
> > ridiculous! It is absolutely, point blank unprofessional."*

> > :P
>
> > Again, who has been the aggressive one here??? And in what response
> > exactly?
>

> > 2010/7/14 Jaroslav Záruba <jaroslav.zar...@gmail.com>

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[Jaroslav Záruba]

All who have responded to the original poster were polite and reserved, which was in contrast with two hysteric messages that started this thread.
After that, being called aggressive and immature is simply absurd; definitely not deserved.

On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 7:32 PM, nisse gammal <nisse...@gmail.com> wrote:

Jaroslav, your extreme reactions makes it self evident that you fit
the description =)

I'm very uncomfortable with being accused of things without a reason.

 

> calling people "immature aggressive kids".

[Daniel Jue]

In any case, thanks for bringing the issue 4673 to my attention, so I
could star it.

Life is to short to complain.

[monkeyboy]

Nice. From 23 to 37 stars in less than a day.

[David Vree]

Thanks for that.

[David Chandler]

Hang tight, folks, we're on it. As has been noted in this thread, GWT
itself is not built with maven, so it's not a 100% automated process
to push to maven central. But we're working hard to get gwt-user-2.0.4
and gwt-dev-2.0.4 uploaded by Friday and to make deployment to maven
central a part of future releases.

David Chandler
GWT Developer Relations
Atlanta, GA USA

On Jul 14, 9:15 pm, David Vree <david.h.v...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for that.
>
> On Jul 14, 6:37 pm, monkeyboy <dilbert.elbo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Nice. From 23 to 37 stars in less than a day.
>
> > On Jul 14, 9:09 am, monkeyboy <dilbert.elbo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 7:22 AM, Kasper Hansen <kbhdk1...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
>

> > > > I would also wish that Google would takeMavenmore seriously. I can

> > > > only recommend all that agree to star the issues regardingMavenin
> > > > the bug tracker.
>

> > > Here it is (the issue regardingMaven):http://code.google.com/p/google-web-toolkit/issues/detail?id=4673
>
> > > There are only 23 stars so far.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

[Kasper Hansen]

Thats great news !!

Thanks David/GWT Team

:-) Kasper

[Frederic Conrotte]

Thanks for your efforts David.

[monkeyboy]

Thanks GWT team.

On Jul 15, 4:18 am, David Chandler <drfibona...@google.com> wrote:

[andreas]

Thanks David!

I'll spread the news in our team...

Andreas

[monkeyboy]

Now that I think about it this development was expected since Google
and WMWare decided to integrate GWT with Spring Roo which uses Maven
under the hood. The integration would not make sense if they did not
put the GWT libs in the repo. Will Google be developing a Maven plugin
(or contribute to the gwt-maven-plugin)? Any info on this David?

[Thomas Broyer]

On 15 juil, 14:52, monkeyboy <dilbert.elbo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Now that I think about it this development was expected since Google
> and WMWare decided to integrate GWT with Spring Roo which uses Maven
> under the hood. The integration would not make sense if they did not
> put the GWT libs in the repo. Will Google be developing a Maven plugin
> (or contribute to the gwt-maven-plugin)? Any info on this David?

They've patched the gwt-maven-plugin for the milestones, and they said
(here or in GWT-Contributors) that they'd contribute the changes back
to gwt-maven-plugin a bit later (this was in the I/O rush).
The patched plugin, as well as the 2.1 milestone artifacts can be
found at http://google-web-toolkit.googlecode.com/svn/2.1.0.M2/gwt/maven/
(replace M2 with M1 for the first milestone)

[Ben Harris]

I build gwt with maven. I haven't checked if you do, but you don't/
shouldn't bundle the gwt-user dependencies with the artefact. Gwt-dev
needs all its dependencies bundled though; gwt-maven-plugin won't work
otherwise.

[justin...@gmail.com]

David-
I see that gwt-user and gwt-dev are up on central, but are you posting
gwt-servlet as well?

Thanks,
Justin

On Jul 14, 10:18 pm, David Chandler <drfibona...@google.com> wrote:
> Hangtight,folks,we'reon it. Ashasbeennotedin thisthread,GWT

> itself is not built with maven, so it's not a 100% automated process
> to push to maven central. Butwe'reworking hard to getgwt-user-2.0.4

> andgwt-dev-2.0.4 uploaded by Friday and to make deployment to maven

> central a part of future releases.
>

> David ChandlerGWTDeveloper Relations

[David Chandler]

Done.

Announcement here: http://googlewebtoolkit.blogspot.com/2010/07/gwt-204-now-available-in-maven-central.html

/dmc

On Jul 16, 1:04 pm, "jus...@justinedelson.com"

[justin...@gmail.com]

Thanks. But... unfortunately, it looks like the exclusion of gwt-soyc-
vis means that 2.0.4 can't work with version 1.2 of the gwt-maven-
plugin. I understand gwt-soyc-vis is deprecated, but could you post it
anyway?

I can't post it to another repository because the artifact I'm working
on is destined for central and needs the whole transitive closure to
be available from central. For the same reason, I can't depend upon a
SNAPSHOT version of the gwt-maven-plugin.

Thanks,
Justin


On Jul 16, 4:12 pm, David Chandler <drfibona...@google.com> wrote:
> Done.
>
> Announcement here:http://googlewebtoolkit.blogspot.com/2010/07/gwt-204-now-available-in...

[David Chandler]

I went ahead and uploaded gwt-soyc-vis-2.0.4.jar because it is still
distributed in the GWT SDK download. Kindly log the plugin issue at
http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MGWT.

Thank you,
/dmc

On Jul 16, 5:11 pm, "jus...@justinedelson.com"

<justinedel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks. But... unfortunately, it looks like the exclusion of gwt-soyc-
> vis means that 2.0.4 can't work with version 1.2 of the gwt-maven-
> plugin. I understand gwt-soyc-vis is deprecated, but could you post it
> anyway?
>
> I can't post it to another repository because the artifact I'm working
> on is destined for central and needs the whole transitive closure to
> be available from central. For the same reason, I can't depend upon a
> SNAPSHOT version of the gwt-maven-plugin.
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
>
> On Jul 16, 4:12 pm, David Chandler <drfibona...@google.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Done.
>
> > Announcement here:http://googlewebtoolkit.blogspot.com/2010/07/gwt-204-now-available-in...
>
> > /dmc
>
> > On Jul 16, 1:04 pm, "jus...@justinedelson.com"
>
> > <justinedel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > David-
> > > I see that gwt-user and gwt-dev are up on central, but are you posting
> > > gwt-servlet as well?
>
> > > Thanks,
> > > Justin
>
> > > On Jul 14, 10:18 pm, David Chandler <drfibona...@google.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Hangtight,folks,we'reon it. Ashasbeennotedin thisthread,GWT

> > > > itself is not built withmaven, so it's not a 100% automated process
> > > > to push tomavencentral. Butwe'reworking hard to getgwt-user-2.0.4

[justin...@gmail.com]

It looks like this is already fixed for 2.1. Do you plan on releasing
a 2.0.5 version? If not, it probably doesn't make sense to fix it.

Justin

On Jul 16, 10:18 pm, David Chandler <drfibona...@google.com> wrote:
> I went ahead and uploaded gwt-soyc-vis-2.0.4.jar because it is still

> distributed in the GWT SDK download. Kindly log the plugin issue athttp://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MGWT.