Students from Pakistan

[Adnan]

hey Carols,

how many are the students accepted from Pakistan ?

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[Cat Allman]

Hi Adnan,

There will be a blog post in the coming weeks about which countries
are represented, etc. Please wait for that - Carol is super busy
being just one person helping the 1000s of GSoC participants.

Cheers,

Cat

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[Vijay Barve]

Hi

You might find this https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AiO4qn1Qvjt3dEVNUWpUbUFxeGlXN2dyT29Ga0d3UkE&pli=1#gid=0 document with country specific groups and students list of this year, developed by students useful.

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[Al Sutton]

I'd rather not see statistics like this because it has no benefit to the projects involved or the programme in general.

Apart from countries where students are not allowed to participate students are selected on their suitability for the organisations involved, so statistics on country of citizenship, religion, race, or any other social demographic are, most likely, just going to be used as fuel for pushing some viewpoint or other which will do little to ensure students are selected purely on their suitability.

Al.

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[Razvan Deaconescu]

Al Sutton <a...@funkyandroid.com> writes:
> Apart from countries where students are not allowed to participate
> students are selected on their suitability for the organisations
> involved, so statistics on country of citizenship, religion, race, or
> any other social demographic are, most likely, just going to be used
> as fuel for pushing some viewpoint or other which will do little to
> ensure students are selected purely on their suitability.

Hi, Al!

While I agree on the possible negative sides of publishing country
information, I do find it motivating for students. As a member of a
university I am pleased whenever my university is highly ranked among
the participants, and my country as well.

In my opinion, this leads to a higher awareness level of the Google
Summer of Code Program, to competition and to more people getting
involved. Not to mention the awareness benefit to the open source
communities as large.

By word of mouth, getting to know that a certain number of people from
your university or country have been part of this project, more and more
people will get involved. In my university, there has been a constant
increase of participants and I hope we can keep the trend.

Razvan

[Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso]

On 30 April 2012 03:20, Al Sutton <a...@funkyandroid.com> wrote:
> Apart from countries where students are not allowed to
> participate students are selected on their suitability for the
> organisations involved,

How can we be sure this is true? I want it to be true, and I've tried
to make it true when I helped my org choose students, but does it
correspond to reality?

> so statistics on country of citizenship, religion, race, or any
> other social demographic are, most likely, just going to be used as
> fuel for pushing some viewpoint or other which will do little to
> ensure students are selected purely on their suitability.

Although the discussion may be unpleasant, trying to silence those
discussions by hiding data is more unpleasant. To quote the Debian
social contract, "we will not hide problems."

I would like to see suitably anonymised demographics data.

- Jordi G. H.

[Adnan]

@Jordi @AL @Razvan and @ALL

I was not asking the country stats  in a negative way.

I asked because I'm promoting GSoC in my Country since I participated as a student in 2010. I wish more and more students should know about this program in my Country and they should participate .  I ran info sessions, blog posts and bla bla to give awareness.

be positive ;)

[Al Sutton]

We can be sure organisations select the students that are suitable for them because they select them. Not a third party. Not a random draw. The *organisations* select the students. You may not like the criteria an organisation uses, but that's their choice for students they'll spend time and effort mentoring.

All you need to do is look at any political debate and you'll see how the same set of data can be used to back up what would appear to be conflicting arguments. Personally I don't want to know what country a student comes from because it's irrelevant. You may see a set of statistics showing only 1 student from country X became part of the programme as a "problem", personally I don't. I don't want to see people whinging about "Not enough students from country Y were accepted GSoC, things must change!" or "Country Z must have great educational standards because more students made it into GSoC", because the data is, to most organisations, not a factor in the selection of a students.

What you see as a "problem" I see as irrelevant statistics which could be used for all manner of baseless assumptions, and while you may see it as "hiding a problem" I see it as not proving the fuel which could burn on any number of fires.

Al.

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[Al Sutton]

I'd expect (and hope) that nobody on this list would want to use the figures in a negative light, but my point is why highlight it at all? Sure, using one or two students as examples can be a great motivator, but does a figure for the number of students from a particular country really promote anything? If it increases or decreases from one year to the next that's not really a trend it's just how things went.

I'd suggest showing the diversity of those involved might be a better idea. The organisation I'm mentoring for is primarily based in Europe, but has students from all around the world, and, if anything, GSoC has hopefully shown that most, if not all, organisations involved will take students irrespective of whether they're in the same town as their mentor or half way around the world.

I've found that showing the potential for anyone to be involved has a far bigger impact than giving students figures about any socio-economic grouping or location, so they think about thousands of slots available rather than the hundreds that, in previous years, may have gone to a particular grouping they are part of.

Hopefully you can see the advantage of this approach too.

Al.

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[Jaidev Deshpande]

Hi Adnan,

On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 1:18 AM, Adnan <hidden...@gmail.com> wrote:
> @Jordi @AL @Razvan and @ALL
>
> I was not asking the country stats  in a negative way.

I'm glad to know that. Having demographic data is always good,
especially from initiatives like GSoC that have a widely diverse
social audience. And it will appear on the GSoC blog sooner or later
anyway.

All that.