Discussion on mapping-quezon-city-philippines
wdmanuel
sub-locality: subdivisions (e.g. La Vista Homes)
locality: barangays
I don't think the districts are relevant for mapping purposes. They
are political divisions which are not needed to give the address of a
specific place.
It would also be good if we could standardize it for the whole
country. Is there a discussion group dedicated to just the Philippines?
Ding
> I suggest we could use this:
> sub-locality: subdivisions (e.g. La Vista Homes)
> locality: barangays
Geographical Districts (eg. Cubao, Quiapo)) is more workable. It's not
unusual that there are several villages/subdivisions within a
barangay.
> I don't think the districts are relevant for mapping purposes. They
> are political divisions which are not needed to give the address of a
> specific place.
I agree that they are not relevant. However, if you meant
"geographical districts" (Cubao, Quiapo), then I disagree. Most of
these geographical districts are well known throughout the country.
> It would also be good if we could standardize it for the whole
> country. Is there a discussion group dedicated to just the Philippines?
good starting point for such a group.
Expounding on the original post, I propose the following translations
to GMM's cities and regions:
0. Country -> Country
1. State -> (reserved, if the MILF gets its way, we might have states
in the future. ;-)
2. District -> Province / Special Economic Zone
3. Minor Civil Divisions -> (reserved, AFAIK this does not appear when
adding features)
4. City/Town/Village -> City / Municipality
5. Locality -> Geographical Districts
6. Sub-Locality/Neighborhood -> Barangays
Villages/subdivisions (eg. La Vista Homes) should be categorized as
"Housing Complex/Development" or "Community" (I'm not sure which one
is more appropriate).
wng
> 1. State -> (reserved, if the MILF gets its way, we might have states
> in the future. ;-)
> 2. District -> Province / Special Economic Zone
> 3. Minor Civil Divisions -> (reserved, AFAIK this does not appear when
> adding features)
> 4. City/Town/Village -> City / Municipality
> 5. Locality -> Geographical Districts
> 6. Sub-Locality/Neighborhood -> Barangays
for State: may use Region as in National Capital Region for Manila,
Quezon City, etc., and "Metro Manila" to be used as the District (or
province name).
Locality: referring to Cubao, Diliman, Novaliches, etc. should be very
useful and are present in most addresses as well.
For sub-locality: most places in the Philippines need only have either
the "geographical district" or the "barangay" names to be useful. In
most places outside of Metro Manila, the barangay name is the
geographical district. In some districts like Tondo and Ermita, the
barangay names are just numbers which are not useful at all for
addresses. I don't mind following standards, but I am more in favor of
having the geographical district/barangay lumped into Locality. Are
there lots of instances that both are really needed?
> Villages/subdivisions (eg. La Vista Homes) should be categorized as
> "Housing Complex/Development" or "Community" (I'm not sure which one
> is more appropriate).
referred to as a "Gated Community". I suggest that is what is to be
used.
Ding
My two cents:
> 0. Country -> Country
> 1. State -> (reserved, if the MILF gets its way, we might have states
> in the future. ;-)
> 2. District -> Province / Special Economic Zone
> 3. Minor Civil Divisions -> (reserved, AFAIK this does not appear when
> adding features)
> 4. City/Town/Village -> City / Municipality
> 5. Locality -> Geographical Districts
> 6. Sub-Locality/Neighborhood -> Barangays
for State: may use Region as in National Capital Region for Manila,
Quezon City, etc., and "Metro Manila" to be used as the District (or
province name).
Although I really don't see any advantage, State -> Phil. Administrative Region, seems logical. One problem with this scheme though is NCR = Metro Manila. So Metro Manila, NCR is redundant.
Locality: referring to Cubao, Diliman, Novaliches, etc. should be very
useful and are present in most addresses as well.
For sub-locality: most places in the Philippines need only have either
the "geographical district" or the "barangay" names to be useful. In
most places outside of Metro Manila, the barangay name is the
geographical district. In some districts like Tondo and Ermita, the
barangay names are just numbers which are not useful at all for
addresses. I don't mind following standards, but I am more in favor of
having the geographical district/barangay lumped into Locality. Are
there lots of instances that both are really needed?
In the interest of accuracy, I think both are needed. I'm sure that "#12 J. P. Rizal St., *Brgy. Murphy*, Cubao, QC" will be much easier to find than just "#12 J. P. Rizal St., Cubao, QC". Also, I don't think geographical districts have clearly defined boundaries unlike barangays. If I'm not mistaken, the boundaries of a barangay are the basis for the area's postal code.
Also, if you are proposing Locality -> Geographical District / Barangay, what is your proposal for Sub-Locality?
In U.S. English, what is known as a village/subdivision here is
> Villages/subdivisions (eg. La Vista Homes) should be categorized as
> "Housing Complex/Development" or "Community" (I'm not sure which one
> is more appropriate).
referred to as a "Gated Community". I suggest that is what is to be
used.
wng
> > for State: may use Region as in National Capital Region for Manila,
> > Quezon City, etc., and "Metro Manila" to be used as the District (or
> > province name).
> Although I really don't see any advantage, State -> Phil. Administrative
> Region, seems logical. One problem with this scheme though is NCR = Metro
> Manila. So Metro Manila, NCR is redundant.
NCR=Metro Manila, but for the sake of consistency, we're not the only
country that makes this redundant. The DC in "Washington, D.C." is
actually redundant (although it may be argued that it differentiates
the city from the State of Washington). But other countries have
likewise redundant region names such as Federal District, Capital
District, etc. Also, except for NCR, other regions do contain more
than one province.
>
> > Locality: referring to Cubao, Diliman, Novaliches, etc. should be very
> > useful and are present in most addresses as well.
>
> > For sub-locality: most places in the Philippines need only have either
> > the "geographical district" or the "barangay" names to be useful. In
> > most places outside of Metro Manila, the barangay name is the
> > geographical district. In some districts like Tondo and Ermita, the
> > barangay names are just numbers which are not useful at all for
> > addresses. I don't mind following standards, but I am more in favor of
> > having the geographical district/barangay lumped into Locality. Are
> > there lots of instances that both are really needed?
>
> In the interest of accuracy, I think both are needed. I'm sure that "#12 J.
> P. Rizal St., *Brgy. Murphy*, Cubao, QC" will be much easier to find than
> just "#12 J. P. Rizal St., Cubao, QC". Also, I don't think geographical
> districts have clearly defined boundaries unlike barangays. If I'm not
> mistaken, the boundaries of a barangay are the basis for the area's postal
> code.
>
> Also, if you are proposing Locality -> Geographical District / Barangay,
> what is your proposal for Sub-Locality?
your proposal, especially for Quezon City and Manila. Except that I am
unsure of what you propose for other cities/municipalities wherein the
districts = barangays. Do we place the barangay name in the Sub-
locality or in the Locality. I haven't tried it if MapMaker will
accept a blank Locality and a filled-in Sub-locality. It may come as
more natural (and may have already been done by most contributors) in
municipalities and smaller cities that the barangay is the Locality.
Ding
>
> > Although I really don't see any advantage, State -> Phil. Administrative
> > Region, seems logical. One problem with this scheme though is NCR = Metro
> > Manila. So Metro Manila, NCR is redundant.
>
> Think this should be OK. Yes, not exactly very advantageous that
> NCR=Metro Manila, but for the sake of consistency, we're not the only
> country that makes this redundant. The DC in "Washington, D.C." is
> actually redundant (although it may be argued that it differentiates
> the city from the State of Washington). But other countries have
> likewise redundant region names such as Federal District, Capital
> District, etc. Also, except for NCR, other regions do contain more
> than one province.
Good point, I agree. Also, it seems that the State field couldn't be
left blank, so it would be better to put something meaningful.
Locality -> City / Municipality
Sub-Locality -> Barangay
From the GMM help page:
Sub-Locality / Neighborhood - This is the smallest political region.
It can be, but does not have to be, a division of a Locality. Not all
cities may have this division.
From this definition, it should be possible to leave the Locality
field blank, since sub-localities are not necessarily subdivisions of
a locality.
To demonstrate my proposals, I've set up this site:
http://sites.google.com/site/mappingthephilippines/regions
trumpets
On Oct 23, 1:31 pm, wng <ng.wal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I do not have any proposal for sub-locality. Actually, I agree with
> your proposal, especially for Quezon City and Manila. Except that I am
> unsure of what you propose for other cities/municipalities wherein the
> districts = barangays. Do we place the barangay name in the Sub-
> locality or in the Locality. I haven't tried it if MapMaker will
> accept a blank Locality and a filled-in Sub-locality. It may come as
> more natural (and may have already been done by most contributors) in
> municipalities and smaller cities that the barangay is the Locality.
are already forced to use it or choose one. You can't leave it blank.
If you did, the default will come out after you save it.
Ding
So if nobody defines a Locality in areas where district = barangay,
the default value for Locality will be "blank", correct?
wdmanuel
provinces, when we write our addresses we write Lot 3 Blk 11,
Grandvalley Subdivision Phase 4, Brgy Mahabang Parang, Angono, Rizal
or 32E Sunflower Street, Dreamville Subdivision, Brgy Namayan, Angeles
City.
So it would be useful if subdivisions were sub-locality especially for
the provinces. But if everybody agrees with your suggestion I guess
I'll just have to follow.
Ding
finder, enter 2 addresses and GM provides you with a route map. In
order for GM to be able to do this, it needs geographical information
on both points and the properties of the intervening roads. IMO, the
minimum info for a certain point (address) should be Lot No., Road,
Barangay (Sub-Locality) and City/Municipality (City/Town/Village).
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 9:36 AM, wdmanuel <wdma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I will not speak for Metro Manila but for the subdivisions in the
> provinces, when we write our addresses we write Lot 3 Blk 11,
> Grandvalley Subdivision Phase 4, Brgy Mahabang Parang, Angono, Rizal
No road designations? This might cause problems later. We probably
should work out some temporary road naming scheme for cases like this.
> or 32E Sunflower Street, Dreamville Subdivision, Brgy Namayan, Angeles
> City.
The barangay (Sub-Locality) name is included so this should be
adequate. You could actually leave out the subdivision name in that
address and the mailman would still be able to find it.
> So it would be useful if subdivisions were sub-locality especially for
> the provinces. But if everybody agrees with your suggestion I guess
> I'll just have to follow.
I think Barangay (Sub-Locality) and City/Municipality
(City/Town/Village) is enough info for GM to determine where a
specific area is situated.
trumpets
On Oct 24, 1:26 am, Ding <dingra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> So if nobody defines a Locality in areas where district = barangay,
> the default value for Locality will be "blank", correct?
trumpets
On Oct 24, 9:36 am, wdmanuel <wdman...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I will not speak for Metro Manila but for the subdivisions in the
> provinces, when we write our addresses we write Lot 3 Blk 11,
> Grandvalley Subdivision Phase 4, Brgy Mahabang Parang, Angono, Rizal
> or 32E Sunflower Street, Dreamville Subdivision, Brgy Namayan, Angeles
> City.
division in Sta. Mesa which also uses the same format, Lot xx Blk xx,
Pina-Santol subdivision, Sta. Mesa, Manila.
> So it would be useful if subdivisions were sub-locality especially for
> the provinces. But if everybody agrees with your suggestion I guess
> I'll just have to follow.
check what happens if you have the sub-division marked as a Gated
Community? Does it affect the address searching?
Ding
>
> On Oct 24, 9:36 am, wdmanuel <wdman...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I will not speak for Metro Manila but for the subdivisions in the
>> provinces, when we write our addresses we write Lot 3 Blk 11,
>> Grandvalley Subdivision Phase 4, Brgy Mahabang Parang, Angono, Rizal
>> or 32E Sunflower Street, Dreamville Subdivision, Brgy Namayan, Angeles
>> City.
>
> Actually its not only with places out of Metro Manila. I know a a sub-
> division in Sta. Mesa which also uses the same format, Lot xx Blk xx,
> Pina-Santol subdivision, Sta. Mesa, Manila.
Yes, that addressing scheme is quite common. I'm pretty sure Google
Maps would have problems with addresses without a road. I suggest
that a temporary road naming scheme be adopted for such cases.
>> So it would be useful if subdivisions were sub-locality especially for
>> the provinces. But if everybody agrees with your suggestion I guess
>> I'll just have to follow.
>
> I'm not sure how Google maps will handle this but has anyone tried to
> check what happens if you have the sub-division marked as a Gated
> Community? Does it affect the address searching?
How can we check this? AFAIK, in areas where google maps is working,
editing is disabled so it's impossible to determine if a feature is
categorized as "Gated Community".
wng
On Oct 24, 1:47 pm, trumpets <william.villanu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 24, 9:36 am, wdmanuel <wdman...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I will not speak for Metro Manila but for the subdivisions in the
> > provinces, when we write our addresses we write Lot 3 Blk 11,
> > Grandvalley Subdivision Phase 4, Brgy Mahabang Parang, Angono, Rizal
> > or 32E Sunflower Street, Dreamville Subdivision, Brgy Namayan, Angeles
> > City.
>
> Actually its not only with places out of Metro Manila. I know a a sub-
> division in Sta. Mesa which also uses the same format, Lot xx Blk xx,
> Pina-Santol subdivision, Sta. Mesa, Manila.
kind of address format, I think the more critical discussion will be
how to specify the Lot or Blocks so that people looking for a certain
Lot # or Block # will be able to find it. In my opinion, whether the
subdivision name will show up automatically in an address of a feature
(whether as a sublocality or whatever) is not critical for the reason
that almost everything in a subdivision are residences and we are not
supposed to mark residences here.
> > So it would be useful if subdivisions were sub-locality especially for
> > the provinces. But if everybody agrees with your suggestion I guess
> > I'll just have to follow.
>
> I'm not sure how Google maps will handle this but has anyone tried to
> check what happens if you have the sub-division marked as a Gated
> Community? Does it affect the address searching?
community I specified. However, as mentioned above, I see this as not
big a deal since most features we add should be outside subdivisions.
And yes, I know of some subdivisions that really split between two
barangays or even split between two cities. So this also creates some
kind of problem.
Ding
> On Oct 24, 1:47 pm, trumpets <william.villanu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Oct 24, 9:36 am, wdmanuel <wdman...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I will not speak for Metro Manila but for the subdivisions in the
>> > provinces, when we write our addresses we write Lot 3 Blk 11,
>> > Grandvalley Subdivision Phase 4, Brgy Mahabang Parang, Angono, Rizal
>> > or 32E Sunflower Street, Dreamville Subdivision, Brgy Namayan, Angeles
>> > City.
>>
>> Actually its not only with places out of Metro Manila. I know a a sub-
>> division in Sta. Mesa which also uses the same format, Lot xx Blk xx,
>> Pina-Santol subdivision, Sta. Mesa, Manila.
>
> For subdivisions or villages (or gated communities) that have this
> kind of address format, I think the more critical discussion will be
> how to specify the Lot or Blocks so that people looking for a certain
> Lot # or Block # will be able to find it. In my opinion, whether the
> subdivision name will show up automatically in an address of a feature
> (whether as a sublocality or whatever) is not critical for the reason
> that almost everything in a subdivision are residences and we are not
> supposed to mark residences here.
We are not supposed to show personal or private info of individuals,
but I think house or lot numbers need to be incorporated so that
features like Google Maps' direction finder would work.
>> > So it would be useful if subdivisions were sub-locality especially for
>> > the provinces. But if everybody agrees with your suggestion I guess
>> > I'll just have to follow.
>>
>> I'm not sure how Google maps will handle this but has anyone tried to
>> check what happens if you have the sub-division marked as a Gated
>> Community? Does it affect the address searching?
>
> I am trying it now and will post once the moderator approves the gated
> community I specified. However, as mentioned above, I see this as not
> big a deal since most features we add should be outside subdivisions.
> And yes, I know of some subdivisions that really split between two
> barangays or even split between two cities. So this also creates some
> kind of problem.
I know of one village which is split between 2 provinces! :-)
wdmanuel
type of roads?
Like for example, is East Avenue a local road or a minor arterial? I
personally believe it is minor arterial.
Ding
> I think we should have guidelines on what roads can be changed to what
> type of roads?
priority may be changed to another priority quite easily.
> Like for example, is East Avenue a local road or a minor arterial? I
> personally believe it is minor arterial.
capacity road and lack of residential entrances directly on to the
road).
The problem I'm seeing is that moderators seem to have their own
definition of road priorities. In the past 2 or 3 days, a lot of
editing has been done on the road priorities of Marikina City by, I
believe, non-Pinoy moderators. As accessibility is a high priority to
the past and previous mayors, Marikina has a lot of minor arterials,
but after those edits, it now has exactly 1 major arterial and 2 or 3
minor arterial roads:
http://www.google.com/mapmaker?hl=en&q=marikina+city&gw=30&ll=14.64604,121.104784&spn=0.05788,0.073814&z=14
It's actually accurate, if it was _1975_ or so... ;-)
wdmanuel
cannot edit entire road sections without encountering a wrong address
error. Try editting West Avenue and you'll see what I mean.
Also, I think that we should really reconsider the sub-locality thing.
I mean, there are no actual districts in the provinces. The Cubao,
Quiapo examples you gave are more of exceptions rather than the rule.
In the provinces, villages or subdivisions are usually included in the
addresses.
Francis Ocoma
I've already started mapping a few barangays (mainly in the Novaliches
district). I've also tried making the Quezon City boundaries more
accurate with the help of the maps found in the city's official
website. Some parts of the La Mesa park is still impossible to make
out in the satellite view so I left it out for now. I'm sure we'll be
able to form a pretty accurate mapping of Quezon City (maybe even
before the next Quezon City Day) if we all work together. Have a nice
weekend!
tasne...@gmail.com
I am still confused with the administrative divisions that can be used
in Philippines.
Of what I have been able to figure out, with search results is:
Country- Philippines
State- National Capital Region (Metro Manila)
Districts- Capital district, Eastern Manila district, Camanava,
Southern Manila district
Cities- Manila, Markina, Caloocan, Makati and so on.
Localities- Diliman (Quezon city).
Sub localities- Barangays, for ex. Sto Nino (Markina city)
However, Sto Nino falls under District 1. Now I am not sure if
District 1 has another name, but in this case, District 1 should then
be marked as a Locality?
Hope this is the format for now?
Tas.
Cool Runnings
Rally de Leon
Some people in my area used "City / Town / Village" polygon for their big subdivision (about the size of a small barangay. Others used "Sub-Locality / Neighborhood" or "Housing Complex / Development", because most first time users will just look at closest match when finding for the correct category at the drop-down menu.
Nobody explains to a first-time Filipino map editor of their locality which one to use, and it's not like we can contact this new users personally to teach and spoon-feed them, to moderate for the sake of consistency (specifically for philippine condition).
I would agree with you on the following (with some comments): ---I'm talking about the drop-down on the polygons.
1. [Country]: Philippines
2. [State]: (referring to the philippine regions eg. Region 1, 2, 3, NCR, etc.)
NCR or Metro Manila --- but which? for the sake of consistency
CALABARZON or Region4-A (Cavite-Laguna-Batangas-Rizal-Quezon)
Region 3 (Central Luzon Area)
3. [District]: (referring to the name of the Province under a Region)
Rizal, Cavite or Bulacan
----> But what about the city in NCR, eg. Pasig City, Marikina City? --- under what district?
I don't know if some people just invented "Eastern Manila District", "Capital District", "CAMANAVA", Souther Manila District, etc). If these districts truly exist in the NCR, do we have a reference (eg. a website) to verifty? I'm familiar with CAMANAVA but not with the rest... (sorry) :-)
I also need to know if there is basis for these (District Catergories) so that we can teach others. I might be missing something here (considering I'm in the mail delivery business, I'm an advocate of educating people about their correct postal addresses). Can you enumerate all the said Districts (in NCR) and what cities and towns under them?
4. [City / Town / Village] (for the sake of consistency and as a matter of policy -- assuming filipino mappers agree, we should not use the "Village" for Barangay's name or eg. "San Lorenzo Village" in makati which is just a subdivision). That it shall be plainly used for "City or Town". But can we blame a first-time user to use this for a small subdivision village?
What about entries under "Municipal Boundary"? Will these affect the dropdown menu of City or Town?
BTW, I started doing the Taytay Rizal area moving towards portion of Cainta and Angono. It's really a problem since I encounter entries of Pasig and Marikina (even Manila) in my town. The shape of Pasig and Cainta are really bad. I have a pending edit for Cainta polygon under "municipal boundary" --- still pending. I don't know whose moderator in charge.
5. [Locality]: I strongly feel that this will be better used for "Barangay's" category. Always consider that Barangay is the NEXT "sub-level" after "City & Town" as far as administrative control (of local government in the Philippines is concerned). Defined areas of Barangay's are more universal and better defined all over the country.
In your example, Diliman, maybe it works only for Quezon City, but do we have any example where it will apply for the rest of the country (outside of NCR)? I can't find the use for it in Rizal Province.
If so, then how can we use "Sub-Locality " for Barangay, if Barangay is not under any "Locality" category.
6. [Sub-Locality Neighborhood] -- maybe this will be better used for big villages, big subdivisions, or areas (eg. diliman, cubao, etc). My point is, many big subdivisions are located in between two different barangays, even two different cities or towns (because they are on the city-boundary). It is better to define them as Neighborhood. What do you think? (example: Beverly Hills Subdivion is both under Taytay Rizal and Antipolo City).
7. [Housing Complex / Development]: - maybe this applies for Condo Buildings, Townhouses, Small Subdivision Projects]
We need to sette this issue fast (and desseminate info), since most new users really gets pissed off with foreign moderators (or even Filipino mods, if any), for not explaining to them how to apply this categories for Philippine condition. What they get is plain "denied". Gets? We need to show new users the guidelines for philippines use of Google Mapmaker. Else we potentially lose great street mappers/tracers because of frustrations with the abusive foreign moderators. For my case, I had to double-time working to increase my contributions so that I don't remain a "new user". :-) We'll so far I've done more than 80km and still going. We all know that moderators don't listen to a new user (unless you put paragraphs of explanations for every data entry).
Regards,
Rally
Ding
>
> It's a bit difficult to edit roads which cross boundaries as you
> cannot edit entire road sections without encountering a wrong address
> error. Try editting West Avenue and you'll see what I mean.
I can sympathize. I've actually given up editing a road which has
different names in two cities. I've also noticed that, in Antipolo
City, a lot of roads have been incorrectly drawn without names.
Trying to edit the road names is very frustrating since the person who
originally entered them just added them randomly (weird, non-logical
terminations).
Perhaps a "Delete Entire Road" function should be included for fixing
edits like these?
> Also, I think that we should really reconsider the sub-locality thing.
> I mean, there are no actual districts in the provinces. The Cubao,
> Quiapo examples you gave are more of exceptions rather than the rule.
> In the provinces, villages or subdivisions are usually included in the
> addresses.
The discussion is still open. My views are:
(1) The names of some geographical districts are more familiar to some
people rather than its parent city/municipality. For example, I know
geographically where Sta. Mesa is, but is it in Manila or Quezon City?
Compare a search for an address like [8 J. P. Rizal St., Sta Mesa]
versus [8 J. P. Rizal St.,"Manila City" OR "Quezon City"]. The
results of the first search would most likely be a lot fewer compared
to the second.
(2) Manila and Quezon City are not exceptions. If you look at the
list of barangays in the municipalities of Imus[1] or Bacoor[2], both
in Cavite Province, you'll notice that a lot of them have a sequential
number suffix (eg. Bayan Luma II, Molino I). Those similarly named
barangays are geographical districts in the said areas.
(3) Not all Phil. addresses have a village/subdivision in them. The
barangay name should be enough information to locate a certain road.
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imus,_Cavite#Barangays
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacoor,_Cavite#Barangays
Ding
>
> I am still confused with the administrative divisions that can be used
> in Philippines.
This is an ongoing discussion in this group. Please see the current
draft guidelines[1] for basic information.
> Of what I have been able to figure out, with search results is:
> Country- Philippines
> State- National Capital Region (Metro Manila)
Basically correct. Although not typically used in Phil. addresses,
the Philippine Administrative Regions (PAR)[2], would be used as
equivalent to GMM's "State".
Your example shows "Metro Manila" as alternate name for NCR. Although
geographically correct, "Metro Manila" should be considered a province
of NCR (which does not have a province). To be consistent nationwide,
all PARs are subdivided into provinces (GMM's "District").
> Districts- Capital district, Eastern Manila district, Camanava,
> Southern Manila district
No. GMM's "District" should be used for provinces (eg. Metro Manila,
Batangas, Cebu). The examples you mentioned, otherwise known as the
1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th districts of NCR, are _not provinces_[3], but
groupings of certain Metro Manila cities/municipalities used for
fiscal and statistical purposes only[4].
You're not from the Philippines, right?
> Cities- Manila, Markina, Caloocan, Makati and so on.
Correct.
> Localities- Diliman (Quezon city).
Correct.
> Sub localities- Barangays, for ex. Sto Nino (Markina city)
Correct.
> However, Sto Nino falls under District 1. Now I am not sure if
> District 1 has another name, but in this case, District 1 should then
> be marked as a Locality?
Are you referring to "District 1" as shown on the wikipedia entry for
Marikina City[5]? If so, the mentioned District 1 and District 2 are
congressional or legislative districts[6] only. These legislative
districts do not have other names and are irrelevant to Google Maps
since they are constantly changed and are never used in Phil.
addresses.
GMM's "Locality" should be used only for geographical districts (eg.
Diliman, Cubao, Quiapo, Molino)
> Hope this is the format for now?
More or less.
[1] http://sites.google.com/site/mappingthephilippines/regions
[2] http://www.nscb.gov.ph/activestats/psgc/listreg.asp
[3] http://www.nscb.gov.ph/activestats/psgc/regview.asp?region=13
[4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metro_Manila#Government
[5] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marikina_City#Barangays_and_districts
[6] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Administrative_divisions_of_the_Philippines#Legislative_districts
Ding
> Tas,
>
> Some people in my area used "City / Town / Village" polygon for their big
> subdivision (about the size of a small barangay. Others used "Sub-Locality /
> Neighborhood" or "Housing Complex / Development", because most first time
> users will just look at closest match when finding for the correct category
> at the drop-down menu.
>
> Nobody explains to a first-time Filipino map editor of their locality which
> one to use, and it's not like we can contact this new users personally to
> teach and spoon-feed them, to moderate for the sake of consistency
> (specifically for philippine condition).
It is precisely for this reason that I've set up the Mapping the
Philippines collaboration site[1] and google group[2]. Currently,
very few people are involved in the discussion. Any input you might
have is welcome.
> I would agree with you on the following (with some comments): ---I'm talking
> about the drop-down on the polygons.
>
> 1. [Country]: Philippines
>
> 2. [State]: (referring to the philippine regions eg. Region 1, 2, 3, NCR,
> etc.)
> NCR or Metro Manila --- but which? for the sake of consistency
NCR. "Metro Manila" should be used as the only "province" of NCR so
that all regions are consistently subdivided into provinces.
> CALABARZON or Region4-A (Cavite-Laguna-Batangas-Rizal-Quezon)
> Region 3 (Central Luzon Area)
Correct. Please see the draft guidelines for naming features[3].
> 3. [District]: (referring to the name of the Province under a Region)
> Rizal, Cavite or Bulacan
> ----> But what about the city in NCR, eg. Pasig City, Marikina City? ---
> under what district?
Cities/Municipalities (City/Town/Village) in NCR are subdivisions of
the "Metro Manila" province (District).
> I don't know if some people just invented "Eastern Manila District",
> "Capital District", "CAMANAVA", Souther Manila District, etc). If these
> districts truly exist in the NCR, do we have a reference (eg. a website) to
> verifty? I'm familiar with CAMANAVA but not with the rest... (sorry) :-)
I've asked the person who entered those "districts". His only
reference is the wikipedia entry on Metro Manila[4]. This wikipedia
entry does not cite any other reference, so yes, those district names
are just the product of someone's imagination.
> I also need to know if there is basis for these (District Catergories) so
> that we can teach others. I might be missing something here (considering I'm
> in the mail delivery business, I'm an advocate of educating people about
> their correct postal addresses). Can you enumerate all the said Districts
> (in NCR) and what cities and towns under them?
NCR should have only one District, which is Metro Manila. All the
cities/municipalities of Metro Manila are listed in the wikipedia
entry[4]. For other Districts (provinces), the cities/municipalities
are listed in another wikipedia entry[5].
> 4. [City / Town / Village] (for the sake of consistency and as a matter of
> policy -- assuming filipino mappers agree, we should not use the "Village"
> for Barangay's name or eg. "San Lorenzo Village" in makati which is just a
> subdivision). That it shall be plainly used for "City or Town".
I'm somewhat confused by this. "City / Town / Village" should be used
for cities/municipalities only. "Sub-Locality / Neighborhood" should
be used for barangays. If you meant that in cases where the
village/subdivision is itself the barangay, the name to be used should
be "Brgy. San Lorenzo" and not "San Lorenzo Village", then I agree.
> But can we blame a first-time user to use this for a small subdivision village?
No, but we can inform them properly while moderating.
> What about entries under "Municipal Boundary"? Will these affect the
> dropdown menu of City or Town?
I'm not really sure, but for the sake of consistency, all cities and
municipalities should be categorized as "City / Town / Village".
> BTW, I started doing the Taytay Rizal area moving towards portion of Cainta
> and Angono. It's really a problem since I encounter entries of Pasig and
> Marikina (even Manila) in my town. The shape of Pasig and Cainta are really
> bad.
I have recently edited Marikina's boundaries with Pasig, Cainta and
Antipolo and am reasonably sure that they are consistent with the map
shown on the Marikina City map viewer[6]. You should not worry too
much that there are conflicts with other areas. These conflicts may
be resolved later on. If you have references for your edits, making
them publicly available would greatly help in resolving those
conflicts.
> I have a pending edit for Cainta polygon under "municipal boundary"
> --- still pending. I don't know whose moderator in charge.
If you are referring to the Cainta "Municipal Boundary" polygon[7], it
is currently published and you can edit it again if you want. I've
just checked and "Municipal Boundary" can be changed to "City / Town /
Village".
I don't think there is such a thing as a "moderator in charge." One
of the purposes of the collaboration site[1] is to assist Pinoy map
makers in moderating each other's edits.
> 5. [Locality]: I strongly feel that this will be better used for
> "Barangay's" category. Always consider that Barangay is the NEXT "sub-level"
> after "City & Town" as far as administrative control (of local government in
> the Philippines is concerned). Defined areas of Barangay's are more
> universal and better defined all over the country.
Please see my previous post regarding this issue. In addition, please
remember that all the info entered in GMM will eventually be used on
Google Maps. "Administrative control" has no relevance on a
searchable digital map. Barangays being the smallest Phil.
administrative and geographical division should likewise be used as
GMM's smallest subdivision, Sub-Locality / Neighborhood.
> In your example, Diliman, maybe it works only for Quezon City, but do we
> have any example where it will apply for the rest of the country (outside of
> NCR)? I can't find the use for it in Rizal Province.
There is Molino in Bacoor, Cavite, Bayan Luma in Imus, Cavite, Ampid
in San Mateo, Rizal. I'm sure there are many more outside of those
provinces. Note that popular usage of "barangays" is relatively
recent, about 20 years or so. A lot of us older people are more
familiar with the geographic district rather than the barangay.
> If so, then how can we use "Sub-Locality " for Barangay, if Barangay is not
> under any "Locality" category.
If you look at the relevant help page[8], a "City / Town / Village"
may or may not have a Locality and a Sub-Locality does not necessarily
have to be a subdivision of a Locality.
> 6. [Sub-Locality Neighborhood] -- maybe this will be better used for big
> villages, big subdivisions, or areas (eg. diliman, cubao, etc). My point
> is, many big subdivisions are located in between two different barangays,
> even two different cities or towns (because they are on the city-boundary).
> It is better to define them as Neighborhood. What do you think? (example:
> Beverly Hills Subdivion is both under Taytay Rizal and Antipolo City).
No, because there is no official definition of the boundaries of a
village/subdivision and precisely because of the reason you cited,
some of these villages/subdivisions span more than one
barangay/city/province. Note that all the info entered on GMM will
have to be digested by the Google Maps software. The software might
be confused with a certain area which is partly a subdivision of more
than 1 area.
> 7. [Housing Complex / Development]: - maybe this applies for Condo
> Buildings, Townhouses, Small Subdivision Projects]
Condo buildings are more appropriately categorized as Apartment
Building and town houses as Apartment Complex. To be consistent,
villages/subdivisions of any size should be categorized as Gated
Community even if access to them are not controlled.
> We need to sette this issue fast (and desseminate info), since most new
> users really gets pissed off with foreign moderators (or even Filipino mods,
> if any), for not explaining to them how to apply this categories for
> Philippine condition. What they get is plain "denied". Gets? We need to show
> new users the guidelines for philippines use of Google Mapmaker. Else we
> potentially lose great street mappers/tracers because of frustrations with
> the abusive foreign moderators.
+1. In my case, I normally include a link to the collaboration
site[1], which has links to this group, when moderating so new users
are better informed. If there's something that you comment on your
moderation quite often, we should probably add that to the site.
Please let me know.
> For my case, I had to double-time working to
> increase my contributions so that I don't remain a "new user". :-) We'll so
> far I've done more than 80km and still going. We all know that moderators
> don't listen to a new user (unless you put paragraphs of explanations for
> every data entry).
>
> Regards,
> Rally
>
[1] http://sites.google.com/site/mappingthephilippines/
[2] http://groups.google.com/group/mapping-the-philippines
[3] http://sites.google.com/site/mappingthephilippines/naming-features
[4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metro_Manila#Government
[5] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_and_municipalities_in_the_Philippines
[6] http://gis.marikina.gov.ph/website/map4/viewer.htm
[7] http://www.google.com/mapmaker?gw=30&q=cainta&ll=14.650358,121.119289&spn=0.111274,0.147457&start=0&qmo=np&z=13&iwloc=0_0
[8] http://sites.google.com/site/mapmakeruserhelp/making-maps/political-regions
travelbug
is there any way we can export google map maker maps to our gps.
i saw in other posts that at the moment it isnt possible.
that would be a great shame since i think that would be its primary
purpose.
im a newbie so i dont know if you guys have answered this already.
cheers
bob
Cool Runnings
Funda
addition so that everybody can largely follow the common thread. I am
new to Philippines hence can not offer an expert view but suggest that
we look at the region marking more as an entire country effort rather
than specific for the Quezon city.
Let us agree what local definition should be applied for each of the
standard google terms of Country to Neighborhood.