Attention: PK Mappers; National highway codes and names

[momers]

Dear PK mappers,

Please be advised that the correct names for all the major highways in
PK can be found here at the National Highway Authority website.

Highways: http://www.nha.gov.pk/Info/highway.asp
Motorways: http://www.nha.gov.pk/Info/motorway.asp

A good document detailing all these is here: highways and motorways
map:
http://www.nha.gov.pk/Info/Docs/FederalizedNationalHighwaysStrategicRoads.pdf

And interactive feature is here and it actually has more info than the
PDF above.
http://www.nha.gov.pk/Map/map.html

hereyou can click on the little boxes with the highway names and it
will show you more detailed info about the road.

Typical mistakes being made are naming highways as NH e.g. GT road is
names NH-5 and not but N-5...
notice there is no H in the name of the national highways. This
mistake has been made all over Pakistan.

Everyone kindly correct this at your leisure.

[Jabran]

Hi Momer,
Thanks for pointing out the issue. I had that in mind and was going to
change the names at the roads recently added/modified or even adding/
modifying in near future. I suppose rest will be done evntually too.
But surely it's gonna take a bit of time.

Regards,
Jabran
www.dyzynz.net

[hafiz anwaar]

should be highway. It is suitable name i think.

[Jabran]

Hi, For some reasons majority will agree that it's better for roads and other features to give their officially declared names. Suitable names might not be used widely and officialy.

Regards,

Jabran

www.dyzynz.net

[Faraz Ahmad]

yes we has that issue in mind for a long time but GMM does not recognize N so we start using NH instead. the map in PDF is missing E roads. and pakistan has 3 of them and one of them is up degradation  to M that is Faisalabad Khanewal section. i drwa E3 some time ago that is Wazirabad-Pindi Bhattian but it was change to a secondary road late by other users.
Faraz Ahmad
www.farazilu.com
http://farazilu.blogspot.com

[Jabran]

Oh I wouldn't know about this issue of not recogonizing N as highway code. Thanks for informing about that. I think It's better leave it as it is for now until GMM gets it sorted out. It seems the same problem with motorway(M), E and S roads.

 

Faraz, Talking about E-3 (Wazirabad-Pindi Bhattian), Mansurwali is my home place so I would call E-3 as a secondary road because speed limit is 65km/h on it and it's never been wider enough and had attributes for a primary highway like G.T. Road.

Though "E" roads are only three in the country and "S" roads are few as well which are more defined as major arterials. Details about these "S" roads are given at the list on highways website. I had a post earlier about the labeling issues as well. 

 
Regards,

Jabran

www.dyzynz.net

[جabran‎]

Ajith! I have a question.

You probably know already about modifying National Highways in
Pakistan to split roads. Shall we continue with it using the most
accurate code (e.g. N-5 instead of NH5 as GMM doesn't recognize the
N-5 character as a highway road code)? Will it be fixed later on?

Regards,
جabran

[جabran‎]

I think Faraz, We better stop at this point for Highways! until some
response shows up from Ajith or any other GMM guys. Because we just
have started redrawing the Highways and then if later it still needs a
changing to "N" then that would be frustrating.

So at least I'm off!

Regards,
جabran

[mapmak...@gmail.com]

Hi all,

To clarify:

N5 (or) N 5 (or) N-5 is supposed render on Map Maker similar to other
highways across the World.

For example, you can look at the highways in Iran to understand how
they typically are expected to render:
http://www.google.com/mapmaker?ctype=0&ll=32.934929,49.559326&spn=6.028721,12.041016&z=7

So please change NHs to Ns as required and as suggested by some of
you. Also, I would suggest the group discusses to decide on how to
enter these 'N' highways. We need to decide on whether it should N5
without space, or N 5 with space in between, etc... This will help in
maintaining consistency.

Thanks
Map Maker Guide

On Mar 4, 3:18 am, جabran <jabranrafi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think Faraz, We better stop at this point for Highways! until some
> response shows up from Ajith or any other GMM guys. Because we just
> have started redrawing the Highways and then if later it still needs a
> changing to "N" then that would be frustrating.
>
> So at least I'm off!
>
> Regards,
> جabran
>
> On Mar 2, 11:23 pm, جabran <jabranrafi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Ajith! I have a question.
>
> > You probably know already about modifying National Highways in
> > Pakistan to split roads. Shall we continue with it using the most

> > accurate code (e.g. N-5instead of NH5 as GMM doesn't recognize the
> > N-5character as a highway road code)?  Will it be fixed later on?
>
> > Regards,
> > جabran- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

[momers]

Dear All,

A clarification.

The highway name is supposed to contain a HYPHEN i.e. N5 should
actually be N-5, notice the dash between the alpha and the numeric.
That is the official naming format and designation of both National
Highways as well as Motorways in PK. So motorway M2 is actually M-2,
again notice the dash between the alpha and numeric components of the
official designation.

Thanks

On Mar 6, 9:52 am, mapmakergu...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> To clarify:
>
> N5 (or) N 5 (or) N-5 is supposed render on Map Maker similar to other
> highways across the World.
>
> For example, you can look at the highways in Iran to understand how

> they typically are expected to render:http://www.google.com/mapmaker?ctype=0&ll=32.934929,49.559326&spn=6.0...

[Jabran]

Thanks a lot first of all for a response, atlast. Looking at the NHA (http://www.nha.gov.pk
) website it tells that highway code is written in a format of N-55,
N-60 etc. I'm already using it in modifying N-5 between Wazirabad and
Gujranwala for now. I believe if any other suggestion comes up for the
format e.g, (N5 or N 5), it must be having a particular reason for that.

Thanks GMMG

Regards,
Jabran
www.dyzynz.net

[Faraz Ahmad]

I agree it should be N-5 as on NHA website.

Faraz Ahmad
www.farazilu.com
http://farazilu.blogspot.com

[nazar hayat]

Greetings

Is there `International Protocol' by UN or any other International
Society/Forum on classification & naming of the Roads?

If there is one, we need to follow it. NHA's letter may not be
anything more than a bureaucrat's fancy. Even the NHA/Ministry of
Communication should be adhering to the universally accepted
Standards.

I will try to search one on the Internet & will provide if such a
Standard exists.

Meanwhile, GMM may be in a better position to throw some light on it.

regards

NHK

On Mar 7, 6:20 am, Faraz Ahmad <faraz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree it should be N-5 as on NHA website.
>

> Faraz Ahmadwww.farazilu.comhttp://farazilu.blogspot.com

>
> On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 6:24 AM, Jabran <jabranrafi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Thanks a lot first of all for a response, atlast. Looking at the NHA (
> >http://www.nha.gov.pk
> > ) website it tells that highway code is written in a format of N-55,
> > N-60 etc. I'm already using it in modifying N-5 between Wazirabad and
> > Gujranwala for now. I believe if any other suggestion comes up for the
> > format e.g, (N5 or N 5), it must be having a particular reason for that.
>
> > Thanks GMMG
>
> > Regards,
> > Jabran
> >www.dyzynz.net
>

> > On 6 Mar 2009, at 04:52, mapmakergu...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > Hi all,
>
> > > To clarify:
>
> > > N5 (or) N 5 (or) N-5 is supposed render on Map Maker similar to other
> > > highways across the World.
>
> > > For example, you can look at the highways in Iran to understand how
> > > they typically are expected to render:
>

> >http://www.google.com/mapmaker?ctype=0&ll=32.934929,49.559326&spn=6.0...

[momers]

In my travel across the world i havent come across any global
standards for road naming.
Yu name them locally as per local requirements and traditions.

Same goes for expressways and highways and they mostly have alpha
numeric names, like the ones use in PK. So thats as far as the
standardisation goes.

I have been looking at some segments of N-5.

Be advised that Sothwards of lahore i.e from Lahore to KHI, N-5 is NOT
known as GT Road. it is wong to call that section GT Road.
Only the section of N-5 from Peshawar to Lahore is called G.T. Road.
This original GT road also continues to the Wahga border in Lahore
district, but as far as i know this section which extends to Wahga
border is NOT called N-5.
This essentially means that N-5 is strictly an internal highway for
pakistan extending from KHI to Peshawar.
So from Lahore to Peshawar the name should be

N-5; Official/Preffered
G.T. Road; Colloquial

Lastly, I have a recommendation for all mappers in PK.
Let us revamp N-5 all across Pakistan and draw it as a single road.
N-5 in many sections is drawn as split roads which I think is not
needed and a single merged road is what is recommended by Google Maps
standards. Split roads exist only if there is at least a 10 feet wide
physical divider between the two directions of the road. This divider
could be a green belt or say a canal or something.
No physical dividers as wide as 10 feet exist on the N-5 from what I
recall. So in that case and especially where such wider dividers are
not present, the road should be drawn as a single merged road. This
will help in maintaining the road here on GMM

And yes this requires significant rework but then at least all the
highways would bear a standard look!

[جabran‎]

Hi, I agree the first part of your post about G.T. Road. Attaching a image showing an illustration for G.T. Road in history and current route. Cheers

2009/3/7 momers <mom...@gmail.com>

--
Regards,
Administrator
www.dyzynz.net

[جabran‎]

Hi Momers,

Just for reference, here is an example of Primary Highways in UK
drawn in Google Maps. http://maps.google.co.uk/?ie=UTF8&ll=51.474821,-0.401752&spn=0.008527,0.02032&z=16
But I wouldn't say that its a very big issue. ;) Cheers

Regards,
جabran

[momers]

yep yep...and i notice the big green-belts separating the two
directions as well ;)

On Mar 7, 10:29 pm, جabran <jabranrafi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Momers,
>
>  Just for reference, here is an example of Primary Highways in UK

> drawn in Google Maps.http://maps.google.co.uk/?ie=UTF8&ll=51.474821,-0.401752&spn=0.008527...

[Faraz Ahmad]

i will like to draw them as split road where ever a physical barrier in the road even a big thin concrete wall. as it help map viewers to understand road by just looking at then rather then using directions function.

Faraz Ahmad
www.farazilu.com
http://farazilu.blogspot.com

[AM909]

On Mar 6, 9:29 pm, nazar hayat <nazarhayatk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Is there `International Protocol' by UN or any other International
> Society/Forum on classification & naming of the Roads?

There is no "standard" that is supposed to be followed. The UN does
publish a doc that describes suggested naming conventions for
developing countries, but this is only a suggestion - it is clear that
each country's national transportation and/or cartographic authority
should be the official source.

> If there is one, we need to follow it. NHA's letter may not be
> anything more than a bureaucrat's fancy. Even the NHA/Ministry of
> Communication should be adhering to the universally accepted
> Standards.

Regardless of whether they follow a standard or not, that bureaucrat
is the authority in his own country. GM/GMM/GE standards are to
reflect accurate local (and additionally/secondarily, non-local if
necessary) usage.

I have found no consistent naming, signage, or other conventions in my
wide travels, even within the same geographic region.

[nazar hayat]

Dear AM909

I agree. I could not find any international Standard for Road naming.
Each country seems to have its own Road naming/classification system.

Being a Pilot, let me tell you that there is a rigid international
Standards for following the Airways that cross from one airspace to
other.

The Airways classification is seamless across the national borders.
The philosophy behind that is that the civil Airspace is a universal
heritage of the mankind & it should be collectively used for the safe
transportation of the persons & cargo.

UN (ICAO) lays down its Standards & all CAAs of the world implement
it. A German company Jeppesen publishes those Charts & Procedures
which are mandatory to be followed by aircraft. Therefore, when an
aircraft takes off from Dhaka & flies to New York, exactly the same
classification/numbering system/procedures are used for runways/
airspace etc.

In my opinion, some kind of universal Standardization is also
required for Road communications. But I guess, it is beyond the scope
of our discussion.

regard

NHK