Restaurant POI inside a Hotel POI, separate POI or a category?

[Niffe]

Hi,

 

Maybe a stupid question but what if a feature (in this case a hotel) also have a public restaurant, nightclub etc. with the same phone number

Would this still be two separate POI or should the hotel POI be categorized as a restaurant as well?

 

Thank you in advanced

Nils

[eastwest]

If the situation is similar to this earlier discussion (http://goo.gl/tkYAa), then the hotel and restaurant should be listed as two POIs.

 

BUT, around where I live there are a lot of country clubs that have "restaurant" included as a secondary category instead of having their food-service operation listed separately.

[Flash]

If it's the same phone number, then you'll need to do just one POI.  Same location and phone number means they will be merged by the bots even if you make them two different ones.

The classic example used in the guidelines of when you could have a separate POI is the pharmacy located in a larger store (Walmart Pharmacy in a Walmart).  The logic for them being separate is that they have separate staff, separate cash register, and walls segregating at least part of it from the rest of the store.  The criteria, though, is that it has a separate phone number.

[Niffe]

Logically it makes sence but not for the traveler.

 

What if a traveler would like to go to a (open for public) restaurant inside a hotel.

The hotel is listed as a POI and they have a switchboard when calling them directing the caller to either the restaurant or the hotel reception

This means they share the same number

 

The restaurants name is completely different from the hotel name

 

How should the traveler find their way to the restaurant?

[Niffe]

Hi Flash (again)

 

You write that if the businesses have the same phone number we must do just one POI otherwise the bots will merge them?

 

"eastwest" refers to two restaurants outside of Dallas which have not been merged (yet) and they have been there for almost a year now.

See http://goo.gl/maps/6Yl0i

Additionally I can see the bots have been into both places and touched them (added/changed categories)

 

Can it be the case that the bots have been tuned to accept this scenario?

[Flash]

It is not up to you as a mapper to bend the rules of the map to accommodate the traveller.  If having the two have separate identities was that important, then the hotel would spend the $5 to $10 a month it costs to give them a separate identity.  By not giving the restaurant it's own phone number, the hotel itself is saying that separating it for the tourists is not that vital.

You may have found one example where they did not merge.  I have seen hundreds if not thousands where the did merge.  This is why the guidelines tell you to do it as I outlined.

In any case, it does not matte the merges would happen or not, as I stated the guidelines tell us that you can only separate a business within a business if it has a separate phone number.  Excerpts from the duplicates guidelines:

What counts as a Duplicate:

• Same phone numbers but different marker locations.
  

What doesn't count as a Duplicate:

• A listing for Target Supermall and another listing for Target Pharmacy with same address but different phone numbers. These are both good results and are not considered duplicates.
  

Don't forget that the merge bots will be programmed to follow the guidelines.  If they haven't merged EastWest's example, that just means that by luck they have not examined them yet.

I'll agree that by your description they could be thought of as two separate elements; but the guidelines does not allow it.