Khayaban-e-Roomi in Clifton, Karachi, PAKISTAN

[AM909]

This
http://www.google.com/mapmaker?hl=en&fll=24.827307,67.029176&fr=0.000389,0.000429&ctype=0&gw=12&ll=24.82717,67.029441&spn=0.004187,0.005912&z=18&iwloc=0_5
well-known road through the business district of Clifton is named in
GMM "Kheyaban-e-Roomi", but the spelling that seems to be used (in my
own memory from there and in searching the web for references) appears
to be "Khayaban...". Is this correct?

There is also some confusion in that, currently a search for "Khayaban-
e-Roomi" in GMM yields a street in the developing DHA Phase 8 area. Is
this correct?

Also, I notice that the preferred English name of the city is Karāchi,
while there is an obscure English name of Karachi ('a' instead of ā).
I had not previously seen diacritical marks in names trans-literated
from Arabic script to Western. Can someone point me to information
about this?

[AM909]

Also, the road is marked as two lanes with no divider, but is clearly
at least 4 lanes (or more during rush hour :) ) with a large divider.

[Jabran]

Hi,

I would again like you put in my words; that such kind of roads need
splitting to make everything smooth and clear in the map. It's easy to
understand that spliting the roads (like Khayaban-e-Roomi) will help
to define the local roads joining from each sides of it. As you can't
cross the major roads like this on a vehicle unless using a defined u-
turn. Also it's very helpful in defining the undergoing directions
feature autometically because it's not needed to define the turn
restrictions at the each intersection where a local road joins the
Major road. Cheers


Regards,
Jabran
www.dyzynz.net

[Jabran]

Hi Alan,

Officially, name should be without any special character in it. I
fixed for somenpf cities and then they were replaced again so I don't
bother again doing that till end when data is announced to publish on
GM and it needs a final touch but it probably be very late to fix as I
see almost every city is added with such special chars in their names.
Official (Origional)names of all cities, towns, countrysides and most
localities can be found on the downloadable files of postal codes at www.pakpost.gov.pk


Regards,
Webmaster
www.dyzynz.net

[جabran‎]

Adding to this, here is an example where direction just find the source and destination and its more likely drawing a lines between them without considering any kind of law or road layouts. Here is link to this: 

http://www.google.com/mapmaker?hl=en&ctype=0&saddr=24.826001767572393,67.02818870544434&daddr=24.831065087344335,67.02527046203613&dirflg=&gw=56&ll=24.828436,67.027824&spn=0.012444,0.01708&z=16 

Cheers

Regards,

جabran

www.dyzynz.net

2009/3/10 Jabran <jabran...@gmail.com>

Hi,

I would again like you put in my words; that such kind of roads need splitting to make everything smooth and clear in the map. It's easy to understand that spliting the roads (like Khayaban-e-Roomi) will help to define the local roads joining from each sides of it. As you can't cross the major roads like this on a vehicle unless using a defined u-turn. Also it's very helpful in defining the undergoing directions feature autometically because it's not needed to define the turn restrictions at the each intersection where a local road joins the Major road. Cheers

Regards,
Jabran
www.dyzynz.net

On 10 Mar 2009, at 00:46, AM909 <alan....@gmail.com> wrote:

Also, the road is marked as two lanes with no divider, but is clearly
at least 4 lanes (or more during rush hour :) ) with a large divider.

--
Regards,
جabran
www.dyzynz.net

[جabran‎]

http://www.google.com/mapmaker?hl=en&ctype=0&saddr=24.826001767572393,67.02818870544434&daddr=24.831065087344335,67.02527046203613&dirflg=&gw=56&ll=24.828436,67.027824&spn=0.012444,0.01708&z=16 

[AM909]

We seem to have moved off the original questions. Let me summarize:

1. Should this road name be corrected to "Khayaban-e-Roomi" from
"Khayeban-e-Roomi"?
http://www.google.com/mapmaker?hl=en&fll=24.827307,67.029176&fr=0.000389,0.000429&ctype=0&gw=12&ll=24.82717,67.029441&spn=0.004187,0.005912&z=18&iwloc=0_5

2. Should the road properties be changed to 4 lanes, divided, and what
is the correct Speed value? I prefer to leave larger tasks like
redrawing of roads to people with local knowledge when possible, so
I'm just trying to fix what's already there for now.

3. Is "Khayaban-e-Roomi" also the correct name for this other road in
developing DHA Phase 8?
http://www.google.com/mapmaker?hl=en&q=Khayaban-e-Roomi&gw=30&ll=24.783302,67.067677&spn=0.027664,0.035577&z=15&ctype=0

4. Should city name "Karāchi" be changed to "Karachi"?

[AM909]

On Mar 10, 2:03 am, Jabran <jabranrafi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...I don't

> bother again doing that till end when data is announced to publish on
> GM and it needs a final touch

This is not practical - they don't announce when they are going to
publish, and it wouldn't help anyway, since they seem to work with old
data (what they just published is data from November!).

> I see almost every city is added with such special chars in their names.

Do you know why this is? I've never seen it before, but whoever did it
must have had some source or reason, no?

[جabran‎]

The only source to my knowledge is MSN Maps / Encarta Maps. They use such characters in naming the cities/towns etc in many countries. But thats not correct since we have the official declaration of names from our Govt. so why follow the other sources. Cheers

2009/3/11 AM909 <alan....@gmail.com>

>  I  see almost every city is added with such special chars in their names.

Do you know why this is? I've never seen it before, but whoever did it
must have had some source or reason, no?

--
Regards,
جabran
www.dyzynz.net

[AM909]

On Mar 10, 10:52 pm, جabran <jabranrafi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The only source to my knowledge is MSN Maps / Encarta Maps. They use such
> characters in naming the cities/towns etc in many countries.

That's useful info - maybe they were used as a source in some of the
original work. I also see that it is used (at least in the case of
Karachi) in some parts (but not others) in the English Wikipedia
article.

While not disagreeing with you in this case, as it is your country (I
think), the desired postal naming conventions can be different from
official government names, even in the US. This is usually because of
differing goals - the postal service needs to deliver mail accurately,
so unnecessary information (like some diacritical marks, lower-case
letters) might be dispensed with, right? However, other parts of the
government may be concerned with cultural, historical issues, etc.
when creating official names.

I'll note that the UN DPKO map for Côte d'Ivoire routinely drops
diacritical marks from names ("é" becomes "e"), though it is
definitely ugly to the mind of a French-speaking person to see them
that way because they are pronunciation cues. I believe the same is
true of transliterated Vietnamese. In the case of Karāchi vs. Karachi,
though, this puzzles me, as I don't believe it is there for that
purpose, at least to my ear. I'll hunt around a little more.

[Faraz Ahmad]

i use
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/ams/india/
and other maps if i ever find of nay city or region. maplandia.com and so may other sources. i has almost 500mb of data bout maps i use to draw them.
Faraz Ahmad
www.farazilu.com
http://farazilu.blogspot.com

2009/3/11 جabran <jabran...@gmail.com>