Problem with English in Nagorno-Karabakh

[Vi Khan]

Hi

First I'd like to say thank you to google for adding names in Armenian in Nagorno-Karabakh.

There's a problem with a feature English in this region.

When it's unchecked there're shown names in Armenian and Azerbaijani(in Armenia are shown names in English and Armenian, in Azerbaijan - Azerbaijani only).

In this case everything is ok, though I consider that it would be better to add a English transliteration of Armenian names in Karabakh.

But when English is checked, in Armenia and Azerbaijan remain only English names while in Karabakh nothing changes.

• Nagorno-Karabakh
• Armenia
• Azerbaijan

Is it possible to fix it for Karabakh?

Thanks, Vi.

[Vi Khan]

Noticed, that there's now a new language - Armenian(latin) and that when English is checked it shows Armenian(latin) name instead of classic Armenian. Good solution, thank you.

I'll add it ASAP to all the settlements an other objects in Karabakh, but unfortunately 2 most important cities are blocked - Shushi and Stepanakert/Khankendi . Couldn't you please add Armenian(latin) names for these 2 objects? Shushi(Armenian(latin), preferred) and Stepanakert(Armenian(latin), preferred).

Thank you.

[Umbraro]

Hi Vi Khan,

Good to hear that you find the current solution for the Nagorno-Karabakh with Armenian (latin) acceptable. The two cities you mentioned need a Googler to be edited. Hopefully they will add the names you proposed soon.

[Vi Khan]

Hi Umbraro,

This solution is acceptable for towns/cities, but for other objects I think it would be better to show only English names, when it's checked. I mean, it would me more useful to see instead of Shushii berd/Susa qalasi Shushi Fortress in English.

And in addition the area with 2 names is too small, it works only in Askeran/Khojali, Martuni/Khojavend, Martakert and Shusha/Shushi provinces. But Karabakh includes also the whole Hadrut/Jabrayil, Shahumyan/Kalbajar, Kashatagh/Lachin, Zangilan and Qubadli provinces and I think it would be good to add these territories into area where are shown 2 names.

Thanks.

[Umbraro]

Extending the area with 2 names to other provinces is something which has to be done on the engineering side. The only thing I can do is push the issue, but I cannot give any promises.

[Vi Khan]

And please fix the population of Stepanakert/Khankendi, it's 52310 (it seems it has never been changed in GMM, therefore the label appears in a zoom-level 10 or 11). Thanks.

[Vi Khan]

It'd be great, thanks.

[Ramu]

Hi Vi Khan,

Thanks a ton for your scrupulous observation. I'll ask the Maps folks if they have a handle on this. Also we have directed it to our counterparts over there. Feel free to browse through this forum for queries on Maps.

Thanks,
Ram Mohan. 

[Vae Isakhanyan]

Thanks!

[Vae Isakhanyan]

Hi Ramu,

Crystal came and made several edits in Karabakh, by the way edits are bad in my opinion.

1. Shahumyan/Kalbajar Province
In Armenian and Azerbaijani she added Karvachar(Քարվաճառ,  Karvaçar). Karvachar is only the capital of that province, its name in Armenian is Shahumyan(Շահումյան) and Azerbaijani Kəlbəcər(Latin, she added it Cyrillic).

2. Martakert Province
She added that in Azerbaijani it's called Aghdara, but it has no Azerbaijani name at all, the province exists only as part of Nagorno-Karabakh, the Azerbaijany government considers it part of Tartar and Kalbajar provinces

May be I could help?

Thanks, Vi Khan

[Crystal]

HI Vi Khan,

Yes, I think you would be very helpful. I apologize for those mistakes on my part. I work internally on these issues at Google and I've been part of an effort trying to introduce some consistency to the naming for this area (so the data is tagged correctly). Please feel free to flag any edits you feel are poor. I'm also looking at this issue that you flagged with the unchecking. Let me know about any other issues.

thanks,

Crystal

[rjhintz]

Hi,

  I'm not clear why Martakert couldn't have the name Aghdara (Azerbaijani (Latin), type: Preferred).  This goes back to an earlier discussion where I was trying to make the point that features can have Preferred names in several languages, for example, Chinese, Thai, and so on.  (I have no authoritative knowledge of Armenian or Azerbaijani naming.)

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[Crystal]

Hi,

If I understand the issue correctly - it is that Martakert (the N-K administrative divsion) overlaps two Azerbaijani admin divisions.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/55/Nagorno-Karabakh_regions_named_english.png 

So, Azerbaijan would refer to this region by their respective state names (either Tatar or Kelbajar). They do not recognize there is a different division with a different name, therefore, there would be no translation - only different names.

Other countries that have no stake in this dispute may have translations for all three areas (Martakert, Tatar, and Kelbajar)

Names can always be transliterated or transcribed from one character set to another, but what kind of user experience these would offer would be a consideration.

[Vae Isakhanyan]

Hi Crystal,

Thanks for your answer.

Let's start from the states.

Administrative divisions Armenian and Azerbaijani are shown here

1. Shahumyan/Kalbajar
Armenian(Latin) Shahumyan
Armenian Շահումյան
Azerbaijani(Latin) Kəlbəcər
Azerbaijani(Cyrillic) Kalbajar

2. Martakert
Armenian(Latin) Martakert
Armenian Մարտակերտ
It has no Azerbaijani name, it's part of Tartar and Kalbajar provinces.

3. Askeran/Khojali
Armenian(Latin) Askeran
Armenian Ասկերան
Azerbaijani(Latin) Xocalı
Azerbaijani(Cyrillic) Khojali

There're 5  edits of this province, mcsochi's edit fixes its borders and I think it could be approved.

4. Martuni/Khojavend
Armenian(Latin) Martuni
Armenian Մարտունի
Azerbaijani(Latin) Xocavənd
Azerbaijani(Cyrillic) Khojavend

5. Hadrut/Jabrayil
Armenian(Latin) Hadrut
Armenian Հադրութ
Azerbaijani(Latin) Cəbrayıl
Azerbaijani(Cyrillic) Jabrayil

6. Shushi/Shusha
Armenian(Latin) Shushi
Armenian Շուշի
Azerbaijani(Latin) Şuşa
Azerbaijani(Cyrillic) Shusha

7. 3 Azerbaijani provinces(Zangilan, Lachin, Qubadli) are united into Kashatagh province of Nagorno-Karabakh. I think all their Armenian names should be Kashatagh

7.a Kashatagh/Lachin
Armenian(Latin) Kashatagh
Armenian Քաշաթաղ
Azerbaijani(Latin) Laçın
Azerbaijani(Cyrillic) Lachin

7.b Kashatagh/Zangilan,
Armenian(Latin) Kashatagh
Armenian Քաշաթաղ
Azerbaijani(Latin) Zəngilan
Azerbaijani(Cyrillic) Zangilan

7.c Kashatagh/Qubadli
Armenian(Latin) Kashatagh
Armenian Քաշաթաղ
Azerbaijani(Latin) Qubadlı
Azerbaijani(Cyrillic) Qubadli

8. Stepanakert/Khankendi
It's a city-state and I think it could be added. Azerbaijani government also considers it a republican city and it's a separate division of Azerbaijan.
Armenian(Latin) Stepanakert
Armenian Ստեփանակերտ
Azerbaijani(Latin) Xankəndi
Azerbaijani(Cyrillic) Khankendi


Cities

Please ASAP edit Stepanakert and Shushi
1. Stepanakert/Khankendi
Armenian(Latin) Stepanakert
Armenian Ստեփանակերտ
Azerbaijani(Latin) Xankəndi
Azerbaijani(Cyrillic) Khankendi

And please fix its population, it's 53,000.

2. Shushi/Shusha
Armenian(Latin) Shushi
Armenian Շուշի
Azerbaijani(Latin) Şuşa
Azerbaijani(Cyrillic) Shusha

Finally, 2 names are shown if I'm not mistaken only in this area - Nagorno-Karabakh Republic(administrative area). The territories of all 8 provinces are controlled by NKR and I consider should be added to this administrative area and there should be shown 2 names.

Thanks&regards, Vi Khan.

[Crystal Sholts]

Hi Vi Khan,

thank you very much for this valuable information. I really appreciate it. I apologize for the delay in response - I am looking at these right now. 

Can you confirm that the Azerbaijani names have the correct language tags?  It appears that all of the names are using Latin alphabet -  for example:

Azerbaijani(Cyrillic) Khankendi 

seems to be using the Latin script instead of Cyrillic.

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[Vae Isakhanyan]

Hi

No, all the names in Azerbaijani(Cyrillic) are written in English. Azerbaijani(Cyrillic) isn't used anywhere nowadays. In Azerbaijan they use Latin alphabet and in Iran Azerbaijanis use Arabic alphabet. Names in English are not shown anyway now, may be it would be better to not delete the existing names and add Azerbaijani names in English too?

Thanks, Vi Khan.

[Vae Isakhanyan]

Hi Crystal,

I'm sorry, I just wanted to remind you about this issue.

Thanks, Vi Khan.

[Crystal Sholts]

Hi Vi Khan,

thank you very much. I am still working on this. I will probably be able to finish the cities but the admin areas will take a bit longer because of some internal issues. I will keep you updated. Thank you very much for your patience - I appreciate it.

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[Vae Isakhanyan]

Hi Crystal, Happy New Year.

I found this topic by Official Map Maker Guide Abhishek - link .

So I guess Shushi/Shusha and Stepanakert/Khankendi could be edited according to that.

Shushi/Shusha:

Shushi - Armenian(latin), Primary;

Շուշի - Armenian, Primary;

Şuşa - Azerbaijani(latin), Primary;

Shushi - English, Obscure;

Shusha - English, Obscure;

Шуши - Russian, Obscure;

Шуша - Russian, Obscure.

Stepanakert/Khankendi:

Stepanakert - Armenian(latin), Primary;

Ստեփանակերտ - Armenian, Primary;

Xankəndi - Azerbaijani(latin), Primary;

Khankendi - English, Obscure;

Stepanakert - English, Obscure;

Xankandi - English, Obscure;

Степанакерт - Russian, Obscure;

Ханкенди - Russian, Obscure.

And please edit the population, it was 52310 in 2010(link).

Azerbaijani(cyrillic) isn't used nowadays and Azerbaijani(arabic) is used only in Iran, therefore I think they could be left blank.

Also I've marked front lines between Nagorno-Karabakh and Azerbaijan on Google Maps(link, KML file). The territory between orange and blue lines, , Armenia and Iran is Nagorno-Karabakh. Hope this will be helpful.

Thanks, Vae.

[Vae Isakhanian]

No response...

[Moid]

Hi Vae,

Thanks for your patience! We've been working on this issue and have come up with a resolution, which is similar to the one you proposed.

The necessary changes have been made to the above mentioned edit. 

Thanks,

Moid

[Vae Isakhanian]

Hi Moid,

Thanks a lot:)

Vae.

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