Picasa3 & missing libesd.so.0

[Garthhh]

Installing on Magiea1

2.7 works fine

suggestions?

[mhenriday]

Garth, one must always keep in mind the adage that if it ain't broke, don't fix it, but - with the further caveat that I have no experience of Magiea1 - you might want to consider installing Wine and then downloading Picasa 3.8, which provides a lot of features not to be found in 2.7....

Henri

[Garthhh]

Well I could do that

Picasa for linux already uses a custom wine set up

using wine does introduce a bit of a vulnerability.

when using picasa [any operating system] it is important to understand that picasa allows root access to whatever folders you allow it to watch, using tools>folder manager.... I generally limit it to just pictures

I'm working on the other side too [distro]

it would be nice if google would do a native linux version of picasa [as chromium is to chrome]

mageia is the fork of mandriva

mandriva decided to get out of the desktop business, so the key personnel moved on

the situation is similar to Open Office forking into Libre Office 

[Stephen]

Mandrake is always re-inventing itself. I wouldn't run their distro if I was paid too.

Basically the same as Fedora; updates frequently will break things because they don't have the numbers of developers to iterate and check for regressions at the same time.

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[geo...@chinilu.com]

I think Garthhh's initial question here has not really been answered.
As he is probably already aware, the libesd.so.0 dependency is semi-
bogus in that pulse-audio which is what many if not most desktop Linux
distros are going to SUPPORTS esound functions and Picasa 3 will work
fine without libesd.so.0. So this dependency needs to be redefined by
Google in a way that allows pulse audio to fulfill whatever sound
requirements Picasa has. In the mean time we have to use the ugly
"rpm -Uvh --nodeps picasa-3.0-current.i386.rpm" approach that messes
up our package database with an unnecessary error exception.
Hopefully the Google team will address this problem so that it doesn't
infect future stable versions as well. As for using Windows versions,
I have had not so good experience running Wine globally. I really
don't mind running it in integrated fashion as with the Linux version
of Picasa, but not globally. - George

[Patrick Shanahan]

* geo...@chinilu.com <geo...@chinilu.com> [07-09-11 18:28]:

problem is: 3.0 is stagnant and will probably *never* move.

I don't understand your aversion to "running wine *globally*" or what you
are inferring. You must remember that wine is *not* windoz.

3.8 is more feature complete and even works better in linux/wine that 3.0
did.
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[Garthhh]

I'm with George

Wine is Buggy!

I'd rather run XP on a virtual box, than run any thing on wine

[yes I know that there are some limited wine elements to Picasa for linux]

I have a work around from Here

hey picasa 2.7 works

I just wanted to add my voice to over here on the google group

there should be a reasonably current version of picasa for linux

& this is the proper channel to ask...

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Garthhh <gcho...@gmail.com> [07-09-11 22:00]:

> I'm with George
> Wine is Buggy!
> I'd rather run XP on a virtual box, than run any thing on wine
> [yes I know that there are some limited wine elements to Picasa for linux]

> I have a work around from Here<https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=686&p=5077#p5077>

> hey picasa 2.7 works
> I just wanted to add my voice to over here on the google group
> there should be a reasonably current version of picasa for linux
> & this is the proper channel to ask...

So you have asked, but there is no and will not be any version of picasa
for linux, only windows unless google commits a lot of manpower, time and
money for a small market. And they have shown no inclination to do so
yet. It's something like .issing into the wind!

But saying "picasa 2.7 works" is like saying that my Model A Ford runs.
Good luck with that.

[Garthhh]

Picasa does make a version for linux [& mac] users

just because it's not the bleeding edge version

does not negate it's existence

last year at this time 

Google Earth for linux didn't open without some similar fooling around

the good people at Google fixed that bug

assuming 1% of computer user run linux

that's a couple million potential customers for google products

they cast a wide net

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Garthhh <gcho...@gmail.com> [07-09-11 23:20]:

> Picasa does make a version for linux [& mac] users
> just because it's not the bleeding edge version
> does not negate it's existence

They make a windows version of picasa that they packaged with a tricked
out version of wine and said it was for linux. There is/was/will not be
any linux version of picasa!

Ye live in a fool's paradise if ye believe otherwise

> last year at this time
> Google Earth for linux didn't open without some similar fooling around
> the good people at Google fixed that bug

Not pertinent, agree they make a linux version of googleearth

> assuming 1% of computer user run linux
> that's a couple million potential customers for google products
> they cast a wide net

I have some off-shore property I can let go pretty cheeep.

gud luck :^)

[The Real Bev]

On 07/09/11 20:29, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

> * Garthhh<gcho...@gmail.com> [07-09-11 23:20]:
>> Picasa does make a version for linux [& mac] users
>> just because it's not the bleeding edge version
>> does not negate it's existence
>
> They make a windows version of picasa that they packaged with a tricked
> out version of wine and said it was for linux. There is/was/will not be
> any linux version of picasa!

Sellouts! Apparently there's some chicanery about paying royalties to
M$ for some android stuff. Makes me feel dirty.

> Ye live in a fool's paradise if ye believe otherwise

Aaarrrggghhh. Can I run two separate picasas? 3.0 with its own wine
and 3.7 or .8 with the wine I already have? Using the same photo
subdirectories?

>> last year at this time
>> Google Earth for linux didn't open without some similar fooling around
>> the good people at Google fixed that bug
>
> Not pertinent, agree they make a linux version of googleearth
>
>> assuming 1% of computer user run linux
>> that's a couple million potential customers for google products
>> they cast a wide net

Are you telling me they have no regard for loyal users who were there
from the very beginning? Surely not!

> I have some off-shore property I can let go pretty cheeep.
>
> gud luck :^)

Danke!

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[geo...@chinilu.com]

And DO note that Picasa 3 DOES work just fine on linux.  Here is the rpm query on my Mageia 1 system no less:

[ghmitch@localhost ~]$ rpm -q picasa
picasa-3.0.5744-02

All you have to do is tell the package manager to ignore the absurd esound dependency.  Pulse audio will cover for esound and Picasa will work just fine and never know the difference.

- George

[Garthhh]

No idea what PS's point is?

if it's about open source purity, wine precludes that...

the corporate question is complicated

I know what google is about

traffic, ad revenue

everyone has to get paid

the media of exchange varies

money, recognition, love, power or could be other things I can't think of right now

 

I like stuff that is easy to use & works

there's a bunch of Google stuff that does just that

Picasa 2.7 is still a better organizer & simple editor than most anything else

3 is a little  better for moving things around

I plug my camera in, pick a name, file transfer

no fuss no muss

no weird formats

[Stephen]

Shotwell is nuch better at everything then Picasa 2.7, and is native GTK. Supports more than Picasa to boot.

On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 1:00 AM, Garthhh <gcho...@gmail.com> wrote:

I like stuff that is easy to use & works

there's a bunch of Google stuff that does just that

Picasa 2.7 is still a better organizer & simple editor than most anything else

3 is a little  better for moving things around

I plug my camera in, pick a name, file transfer

no fuss no muss

no weird formats

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[Garthhh]

like what?

will it sync my picasa web albums?

I just tried to open shotwell on my ubuntu 10.10 machine, the window went grey, I closed it, won't open now

so much for easy to use & works

[Garthhh]

OK so I got shotwell to open, imported a few folders

useless

doesn't respect my organizational scheme

I'm better off using nautilus, which at least understands folders, I've used the same folder tree structure for years

shotwell won't allow me to scan through all my files with out endless clicking

[Stephen]

Well thanks for your candour. LOL Pretty much anything is better then the version of Picasa Desktop you're using.

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[Jeff Price]

Given that Google makes its living from linux, it wouldn't seem to be a major effort to maintain the Linux port of Picasa.

If they built it right it shouldn't be much effort at all.  They should be building all the OS ports from a common code base.

Saying something runs in wine is unsat. Perhaps we should abandon Picasa if Google has abandoned us?

Cheers
-jeff

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[Stephen]

Think of G+. Picasa the desktop application isn't the future.

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[Garthhh]

I was recently distro shopping

I set up on a Virtual Box

there were a few checkpoints 

does the distro playwell with the google products I use & like?

Chromium is open source, but it's difficult to see much difference to chrome

Picasa of any version

google earth

these all work nicely with my 5-6 google accounts

chromium & earth are properly ported as far as I can tell

even the bastardized, picasa is miles beyond shotwell/f-spot for functionality

OBO [our benevolent overlords] get around to improving the small bugs or at least using the patches other users come up with

could things be better?

sure

I don't feel abandoned

a bit neglected possibly :D

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Jeff Price <jefp...@gmail.com> [07-10-11 08:26]:

> Given that Google makes its living from linux, it wouldn't seem to be a
> major effort to maintain the Linux port of Picasa.

EXCEPT, there is NO linux port of picasa PERIOD.

> If they built it right it shouldn't be much effort at all. They should be
> building all the OS ports from a common code base.
>
> Saying something runs in wine is unsat. Perhaps we should abandon Picasa if
> Google has abandoned us?

You would abandon something that was never built for linux in the first
place????

[Garthhh]

G+

bah

I want to have a little control who & how I share

[Stephen]

That's what it's about. I'm as luddite as the next technophile but services like G+ are the future. I liked Usenet at one time but moved on, when there were better ways to do the same thing.

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[geo...@chinilu.com]

I think that shotwell is a great tool.  The problem is that it doesn't do the same thing that Picasa does.  I have a situation of thousands of already organized phtotos in addition to some unorganized photos distributed between multiple users.  Picasa allows me to track all of these and quickly locate particular photos WITHOUT disturbing their current locations OR creating duplicate photos.  Thus the two tools are not equivalent.  When there is a choice between GPL and proprietary, I will ALWAYS choose GPL.  Proprietary apps are a pain in the butt in many ways.  They tend to be binary blobs that are useless when support expires or when the company gets bought or bust or whatever.  Or when they just want you to fork out for a new version.  But I will gladly pay for proprietary when there are no GPL equivalents and this is the case with Picasa which is proprietary even though it is free.  Other examples are MS codecs via Fluendo, a DVD player via Fluendo, the Nero burner program for BluRay (latest K3B still sucks with BluRay), and Quasar for POS/inventory tracking.  Until recently I have been using PMFax, but am looking at shifting to efax-gtk and hoping it fills my needs.  I would LOVE to see GPL options for ALL of my software needs, but at this point they are simply not there.  If GPL meets your software needs like it does for many people, then bully for you.  I am all for that.  But for many of us, that point in time has not yet arrived and it a proprietary app installs cleanly on Linux and does what I need it to do, which Picasa does, I am not going to complain about whats under the hood.  For me, who has been using Linux exclusively for over ten years now, there are still functions which are not satisfied by GPL software.  I am well aware that there are many who consider that statement to be about as blasphemous as it gets, but for me, thats the reality and I am not going to pretend otherwise.  - George

[Garthhh]

G+ may be a future, but it's not the only one

it's not the same product as picasa or email

smart phones & tablets won't replace notebooks & desktop PC's anytime soon either

it's not about resisting progress

it's about workflow

I've worked on industrial computing devices with touch screens for over 20 years, they are not a substitute for a keyboard & a mouse

informing the world of my every movement & thought is not a substitute for discrete personal communication

there will always be a place for opt in as opposed to opt out communication

[Stephen]

All I'm going to say is that you shouldn't pontificate so much on something you've obviously never tried. ;-D 

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[Garthhh]

I have an opinion about the products I use, why & how I use them

I'm looking for solutions & to share what I'm learning

you haven't had any thing positive to add to the discussion 

on a group & thread dedicated to Picasa for linux

I'm sure there are plenty of places to discuss 

Wine, Shotwell & G+

consider finding them

[Garthhh]

over on the Mageia forum 

Barjac wrote a little script

how would one go about ignoring the "absurd dependency"