Re: [g-cap-comm] Abridged summary of google-cap-community@googlegroups.com - 6 Messages in 1 Topic

[Lis Klute, CEM]

How can they patent something we have been doing via other vendors for years?

On 2/23/2012 2:10 AM, google-cap...@googlegroups.com wrote:

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 Patent Implications for CAP

Farrel Lifson <farrel...@gmail.com> Feb 22 05:30AM -0800  

As a follow up here is another patent -
http://www.google.com/patents/US6816878 - which covers much of the
functionality of a CAP based system.
 
Regards,
Farrel
...more

Art Botterell <a...@incident.com> Feb 22 08:14AM -0800  

Most of these various patents really address particular ways that alerts (CAP or otherwise) might be disseminated... I haven't seen one yet that impinges on the CAP standard per-se. Indeed the very ...more

James Bryce Clark <jamie...@oasis-open.org> Feb 22 10:38AM -0800  

> I recently came across across the following patent * * *
 
Hello Farrel. You asked what OASIS does about "nearby" patents.
 
There are, of course, a lot of patents, applications and assertions ...more

Farrel Lifson <farrel...@gmail.com> Feb 22 10:50AM -0800  

I definitely agree that this is a symptom of the US patent systems
inability to handle software patents correctly.
 
I am worried that the patents I listed, which directly target the Alert and ...more

Art Botterell <artbot...@gmail.com> Feb 22 11:42AM -0800  


> I am worried that the patents I listed, which directly target the Alert and Emergency Warning sectors (as if the content of the messages they send should somehow make them patentable!), might be ...more

Farrel Lifson <farrel...@gmail.com> Feb 22 12:03PM -0800  

"Which brings us to the next question... is there anything to be done about
it?"
 
Well besides a complete overhaul of the patent system and a retroactive
review of these types of overly broad, ...more

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[Art Botterell]

Short answer is, right now you could patent a ham sandwich. People don't realize how bad the situation has become, particularly with software patents... it seems literally incredible until you actually see it in action.

In reality these patents usually covers some particular way of implementing alerting, not alerting generally. Make a claim specific enough and it becomes easy to persuade our vastly overloaded patent examiners that there's something new. Plus I think there an "approve them all and let the lawyers sort them out" mentality at the USPO.

The net effect is that anyone with a big enough warchest can litigate a startup into bankruptcy (or a forced sale) long before issues of fact are even reached. It's happening all over the software 'biz.

You'll read more in tomorrow's digest.

[Lis Klute - Anguilla]

I look forward to it Art, thank you, as it hit to the heart of "Open"
Standards...

On Feb 23, 3:42 am, Art Botterell <a...@incident.com> wrote:
> Short answer is, right now you could patent a ham sandwich.  People don't realize how bad the situation has become, particularly with software patents... it seems literally incredible until you actually see it in action.
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> In reality these patents usually covers some particular way of implementing alerting, not alerting generally.  Make a claim specific enough and it becomes easy to persuade our vastly overloaded patent examiners that there's something new.  Plus I think there an "approve them all and let the lawyers sort them out" mentality at the USPO.
>
> The net effect is that anyone with a big enough warchest can litigate a startup into bankruptcy (or a forced sale) long before issues of fact are even reached.  It's happening all over the software 'biz.
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> You'll read more in tomorrow's digest.
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> On Feb 22, 2012, at 7:15 PM, Lis Klute, CEM wrote:
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> > How can they patent something we have been doing via other vendors for years?
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> > On 2/23/2012 2:10 AM, google-cap...@googlegroups.com wrote:
> >>   Today's Topic Summary
> >> Group:http://groups.google.com/group/google-cap-community/topics
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> >>        • Patent Implications for CAP [6 Updates]
> >>  Patent Implications for CAP

> >> Farrel Lifson <farrel.lif...@gmail.com> Feb 22 05:30AM -0800

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> >> As a follow up here is another patent -

> >>http://www.google.com/patents/US6816878- which covers much of the

> >> functionality of a CAP based system.
>
> >> Regards,
> >> Farrel
> >> ...more
> >> Art Botterell <a...@incident.com> Feb 22 08:14AM -0800
>
> >> Most of these various patents really address particular ways that alerts (CAP or otherwise) might be disseminated... I haven't seen one yet that impinges on the CAP standard per-se. Indeed the very ...more

> >> James Bryce Clark <jamie.cl...@oasis-open.org> Feb 22 10:38AM -0800

>
> >> > I recently came across across the following patent * * *
>
> >> Hello Farrel. You asked what OASIS does about "nearby" patents.
>
> >> There are, of course, a lot of patents, applications and assertions ...more

> >> Farrel Lifson <farrel.lif...@gmail.com> Feb 22 10:50AM -0800

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> >> I definitely agree that this is a symptom of the US patent systems
> >> inability to handle software patents correctly.
>
> >> I am worried that the patents I listed, which directly target the Alert and ...more

> >> Art Botterell <artbotter...@gmail.com> Feb 22 11:42AM -0800

>
> >> > I am worried that the patents I listed, which directly target the Alert and Emergency Warning sectors (as if the content of the messages they send should somehow make them patentable!), might be ...more

> >> Farrel Lifson <farrel.lif...@gmail.com> Feb 22 12:03PM -0800