sanitized eval with Caja

[Yehonathan Sharvit]

Hello Caja folks,

I'd like to allow users to eval javascript code snippets on my website.

But eval is too dangerous.

I was thinking of using Caja to provide a sanitized version of eval.

Is it possible with caja to evaluate dynamic code snippets provided by users?

If yes, how?

Thanks,

Yehonathan

[Mike Stay]

Yes, this is what Caja was designed to do. You may not need all of
Caja, though. Can you tell us more about what you'd like to allow
them to do?

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[Mark Miller]

Hi Yehonathan,

From your description, I suspect you want the SES library at https://github.com/Agoric/SES rather than Caja.

Caja contains the original-SES, which still works fine, but mostly supports only the features from EcmaScript 5 with a few select elements of EcmaScript 6.

SES is built on modern JavaScript and supports modern JavaScript --- including all of the EcmaScript 2018 standard. It is also much faster than the original-SES in Caja. SES is a joint effort of Agoric and Salesforce. Unlike Caja, SES runs everywhere modern JavaScript runs, including both browser and Node. See

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ME7oHHQbuM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Snbss_tawI&list=PLKr-mvz8uvUgybLg53lgXSeLOp4BiwvB2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSNxsn0pK74&list=PLKr-mvz8uvUgybLg53lgXSeLOp4BiwvB2

OTOH, Caja contains Domado, which is a taming of the browser and DOM APIs, so that you can give your untrusted code access to a subtree of you DOM tree. We expect to reproduce this functionality eventually on modern SES but, currently, we are not treating it as urgent. If you need Domado functionality in order to use SES rather than Caja, please let us know.

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[Mark Miller]

We have set up a Discourse site at https://ocapjs.org/ for discussing object-capabilities (ocaps) for JavaScript. I suggest that further discussion on this topic should move there.

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[Yehonathan Sharvit]

My use case is Klipse, a javascript plugin that allows interactive code snippets to be embedded on a web page.

I'd like to all blog platforms liks medium or dev.to to integrate with Klipse.

My concern is that a malicious blog writer will write a malicious code snippet and use Klipse to evaluate the code snippet on the browser of blog readers.

I am looking of a way to sanitize the evaluation function that Klipse uses to evaluate the code snippets.

Could I use SES for the purpose of Klipse?

Please let me know if you need further clarifications.

[Mark Miller]

Yes, SES is exactly the right tool for that purpose. As you have questions or feedback, please file issues at https://github.com/Agoric/SES or post to https://ocapjs.org

Good luck with this project, and thanks!

[Yehonathan Sharvit]

Can you provide a standalone js file of SES and what should be the function to call in order to achieve a sanitized eval?

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[Mark Miller]

Hi Yehonathan,

Brian Warner just posted a response at 

https://ocapjs.org/t/using-ses-to-protect-klipse/40

Please let's continue the discussion there. Thanks!

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[Yehonathan Sharvit]

Sounds good!

[Yehonathan Sharvit]

The forum seems to be less responsive than the google group.

I am posting my question again here:

Still under development: do not use for production systems yet, there are known security holes that need to be closed.

Are the current security holes in SES relevant to the Klipse use case?

[Mike Stay]

Also, is caja-discuss-undisclosed still the place to learn about the
security holes, or is there a new mailing list for those?

[Kevin Reid]

On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 7:12 AM Mike Stay <meta...@gmail.com> wrote:

Also, is caja-discuss-undisclosed still the place to learn about the
security holes, or is there a new mailing list for those?

If you want to follow vulnerability information then google-caja-discuss contains all the public announcements.

I haven't recently been sending information on not-yet-patched vulnerabilities to caja-discuss-undisclosed. Due to lack of any 'outside' participation in development, it hasn't seemed particularly useful to make the information available.

[Yehonathan Sharvit]

Can you please send a link to the public announcements about the security holes in Caja?

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[Yehonathan Sharvit]

Or maybe send in private to me vie...@gmail.com

I really need to understand if it makes sense to integrate SES with Klipse.

[Kevin Reid]

On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 5:21 AM Yehonathan Sharvit <vie...@gmail.com> wrote:

Can you please send a link to the public announcements about the security holes in Caja?

The announcements are cataloged at https://github.com/google/caja/wiki/SecurityAdvisories.

[Mark Miller]

Hi Yehonathan,

I have gone through the public issues at https://github.com/Agoric/SES/issues , filed an additional one, and classified all of them. I labeled three as "security bugs". One closed and two still open. The open ones are certainly fatal for SES's security goals. You should look at them though to determine whether they are fatal for Klipse.

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