App Engine admin console redirects to Developers Console

[Stewart Fife]

Hello!

We are pleased to announce that we redirected the first set of App Engine admin console menus to Developers Console today. This begins the final stage of consolidating the management of Google Cloud Platform services into one consistent experience for customers.

Thanks for all your feedback on this important change.

Stewart on behalf of the GAE team

[Mark Cummins]

Could you give feedback on what happened to the Datastore Admin page? This seems to be gone, and we rely on it to manage our backups and also use it perform bulk deletes.

[Edunext Jain]

I am getting following error while opening any of the menu under Compute -> Appengine.

"This operation is not possible because no App Engine application was found for this project."

This is an Appengine Project. Couldn't get any resolution.

[Gwyn Howell]

Call me old fashioned by I kinda like the old console for app engine stuff. The new console is nice an all, but has way too many links to stuff I just don't care about for day to day use. The datastore viewer is slower, query interface slow and clunky (over 5 seconds to load), and has missing functionality, such as ability to query by key. When viewing an entity, the key isn't even displayed in the view.

Is this the final nail in the coffin for the classic app engine console then? Gonna take a lot of getting used to to switch over to the new one ...

[Giovanni Di Noia]

I'd like to customize a menu on the sidebar. Something like:

...

Permissions

- Custom

    - Cloud Storage > Browser

    - App Engine > Task queue

    - Source code > Browse

    ...

- Apis & auth

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[Gwyn Howell]

A user customizable menu in the sidebar would be awesome. Similar to how aws allow you to configure the header.

[Alex Martelli]

On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 3:06 AM, Mark Cummins <mcum...@gmail.com> wrote:

Could you give feedback on what happened to the Datastore Admin page? This seems to be gone, and we rely on it to manage our backups and also use it perform bulk deletes.

Access to the Datastore in the new console is under the general "Storage" entry in the left-hand-side menu (since the Datastore is not strictly tied in to just App Engine any more).

Alex

 

On Wednesday, 7 October 2015 11:01:20 UTC+1, Stewart Fife wrote:

Hello!

We are pleased to announce that we redirected the first set of App Engine admin console menus to Developers Console today. This begins the final stage of consolidating the management of Google Cloud Platform services into one consistent experience for customers.

Thanks for all your feedback on this important change.

Stewart on behalf of the GAE team

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[Christopher Ritter]

Hi Alex,

But key functionality is missing, specifically backup/restore in the new console.

- Chris

[Christopher Ritter]

Never mind it's buried under settings.

[Mark Cummins]

The new logs viewer is much less usable. Because it's either totally collapsed or totally expanded, it's much much harder to extract meaningful patterns of events at a glance. I would really like to get back the single-line-per-message view that the old viewer had.

Also, it seems slower to display first logs. 

On Wednesday, 7 October 2015 11:01:20 UTC+1, Stewart Fife wrote:

[Alex Martelli]

Please add a feature request to the public issue tracker, cfr https://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/list?can=2&q=Component%3DLogging+Component%3DAdminconsole+&colspec=ID+Type+Component+Status+Stars+Summary+Language+Priority+Owner+Log&cells=tiles .

Thanks,

Alex

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[Christian F. Howes]

I'll add that my team really misses the old console.  A major upside to GAE was ease and speed of administration to allow me to have no dev ops on my team, and this new console is so much slower and less efficient that it will have a major impact on our ability to quickly diagnose things and get back to development.  In general the javascript based functions are much slower then the older console, it takes more clicks to get to data, and fonts are so large in the new console that things no longer fit into single screens for fast perusal.  I'm hopeful for many improvements soon!

Christian

[troberti]

This. I also like to add that the graphs on the new developer console look much worse (very thin lines, no area fill) and are harder to read (the y-axis numbers are not aligned to the lines). The old app engine graphs are much more pleasant to look at.

[Deepak Tiwari]

Hi Mark,

I am the PM for Cloud Logging.  Thank you for the feedback on the logs viewer.  We are looking at UI design options for proving the best option for viewing the log lines in the collapsed format.  Your feedback is valuable.  On the slowness of the logs viewing - we are actively looking at this as well to fix this issue.  If you can tell me a little more about the query you are running that is taking time that would be very helpful.

Thanks,

Deepak

[Jeff Schnitzer]

I've noticed that the team working on the console is uncharacteristically responsive to issues filed against it in the issue tracker. So if there's something you don't like about it, put an a request:

https://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/list

Now that I've gotten used to it, I actually like the new console much better than the old. My only major complaint at this point is that it's kinda sluggish. I wish more pages had a Refresh button so I don't have to wait for the whole frame to load. I guess I should start filing issues myself...

Jeff

[Christian F. Howes]

Deepak,

Just hitting the logs console via
https://console.developers.google.com/project/<myappid>/logs often hangs
and never loads. I have been frequently having to force refresh the
page several times before the logs load. then any query also takes a
long time to load.

thanks for the help!

christian

[Deepak Tiwari]

Hi Christian,

Thanks for the feedback.  I just tried it for my projects and seems to work fine.  What browser are you using?

I'll ping you separately - it'd be good to get your project name for us to look into it.

Thanks,

Deepak

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[Joshua Smith]

Are you using Chrome? In my experience the new console doesn’t work consistently in any other browser.

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[Karl MacMillan]

I’ll just jump in here with my request if you don’t mind. I use the log viewer both for monitoring production instances and for testing (on projects that I have just for that purpose). Most of my testing happens using the SDK of course, but there are those things that can only be tested in the real GAE environment.

While testing I really want something that mimics tail -f, but the current log viewer is pretty bad for that. The ‘play’ button seems to be for that, but it is very flaky in my experience (stops tailing sometimes, sometimes doesn’t get the latest updates). The infinite scroll also is not completely reliable - I often end up have to hit the refresh button to get new log entries even though the scrolling action says there are no newer entries. There is also some pretty big latency. The collapsed view is mixed here - especially for deferred tasks. Because I’m often just using the default deferred handler I have to open every entry to figure out what the actual event was.

Ultimately it all works with a few work arounds, but it can be somewhat frustrating.

Karl

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[Christian F. Howes]

Deepak,

Thanks for looking into this. For the broader group - i'm using Chrome
on Mac right now. It may just be that I am impatient and that the logs
would eventually load, but give up after about 30 seconds. It does not
happen 100% of the time.

thanks,

christian

[Anastasios Hatzis]

I also have these issues recently with Log Viewer (I'm accessing it with Mac + Chrome, too). For a week or maybe two, it started to take a long time to load more often, or hitting the play button is often ignored. Page refresh sometimes work, sometimes even hitting the Log link in the menu doesn't help. If it gets into such unstable state, I actually use my bookmark to manually force the browser to load the page. I think with any other approach the JS wizardry only tries to recover, but fails most of the time, not really doing a fresh GET html request. Log Viewer worked pretty good before.

I like the new Console much better, so I made the switch a long time ago, except for Datastore backup/restore. I guess, they will figure out the recent issues with the Log Viewer.

[Alejandro Gonzalez]

Hello,

I'm experiencing some of these issues aswell (slowness, stream logs erratic behaviour). In addition I found a feature missing in the new Logs Viewer, which is the TimeZone select to change the logs to your own TimeZone. This is very important to detect time frames at a glance without making the conversions mentally.

I've created this feature request for all of you how want this feature back https://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=12419

I want to add that overall I like very much the new console, kudos to all the team!

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[Deepak Tiwari]

Thank you everyone for the feedback on the logs viewer.  We had some fixes roll out yesterday evening to address the loading and querying speed in the logs viewer.  If you still see this persisting - please ping me directly at deepak...@google.com with some details (project id, OS, Browser, filter expression) and we will look into it immediately.

Thank you,

Deepak

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[pdknsk]

The ‘play’ button seems to be for that, but it is very flaky in my experience (stops tailing sometimes, sometimes doesn’t get the latest updates).

The latter case is probably the same problem I diagnosed in this post.

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/aJhUMaVpYM8/kzNdxQJpCgAJ

I'm used to the new Console now to the point where I rarely return to the old Dashboard, even when the new Console has many flaws. I could file many bugs, but to be honest I've become a bit disenchanted with the whole bug-reporting process now.

[Wii Chong]

Honestly, if you dumped the rest of the old console, but kept the old logs viewer, I'd be satisfied.

I have to interact very deeply with my app's logs on a regular basis. Hell, a lot of our support flows are built around the quirks of the old logs viewer.

The new setup is just too different. That is fine for new developers and new apps. But for us old hats, we are simply never going to be happy with that.

Everything else, fine. Get rid of it! The new console may not be perfect, but we can move on.

Logs, NO! It is not ok! Keep the old logs viewer!

#KeepTheOldLogsViewer