PLEASE HELP ME FIGHT GOOGLE SPAM
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Paul NOSPAM
Jul 7, 2009, 6:03:49 PM7/7/09
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Hello,
I have a yahoo e-mail account, where I am getting TONS of spam, that
are advertising a website like this -
http://caatainc1.appspot.com/
I traced the domain back to Google, and called them, because sending
dozens of e-mails resulted in nothing happening. Guess what?
Calling them does no good either!! I did get a little girl, who
directed me to the APPSPOT.com site, where I could complain about the
spam, but guess what? there is NO contact information for reporting
this crap!!
So, if someone on this board could PLEASE let me know how I can stop
these assholes, from continuing to SPAM me from their GOOGLE appspot,
using their GMAIL account, I would GREATLY appreciate it.
I have a yahoo e-mail account, where I am getting TONS of spam, that
are advertising a website like this -
http://caatainc1.appspot.com/
I traced the domain back to Google, and called them, because sending
dozens of e-mails resulted in nothing happening. Guess what?
Calling them does no good either!! I did get a little girl, who
directed me to the APPSPOT.com site, where I could complain about the
spam, but guess what? there is NO contact information for reporting
this crap!!
So, if someone on this board could PLEASE let me know how I can stop
these assholes, from continuing to SPAM me from their GOOGLE appspot,
using their GMAIL account, I would GREATLY appreciate it.
Tony Rowles
Jul 8, 2009, 7:18:24 PM7/8/09
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http://code.google.com/support/bin/request.py?contact_type=AppEngineContact
On Jul 7, 6:03 pm, Paul NOSPAM <jelst...@netzero.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have a yahoo e-mail account, where I am getting TONS of spam, that
> are advertising a website like this -http://caatainc1.appspot.com/
On Jul 7, 6:03 pm, Paul NOSPAM <jelst...@netzero.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have a yahoo e-mail account, where I am getting TONS of spam, that
Nick Johnson (Google)
Jul 9, 2009, 5:26:20 AM7/9/09
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Hi Paul,
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 11:03 PM, Paul NOSPAM<jels...@netzero.com> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I have a yahoo e-mail account, where I am getting TONS of spam, that
> are advertising a website like this -
> http://caatainc1.appspot.com/
>
> I traced the domain back to Google, and called them, because sending
> dozens of e-mails resulted in nothing happening. Guess what?
> Calling them does no good either!! I did get a little girl, who
> directed me to the APPSPOT.com site, where I could complain about the
> spam, but guess what? there is NO contact information for reporting
> this crap!!
We have an abuse report form, here:
http://code.google.com/support/bin/request.py?contact_type=AppEngineContact
Note that simply being linked to in spam is not itself in violation of
our terms of service - nobody can control who links to them - but it's
possible this application is in violation of other parts of our TOS.
>
> So, if someone on this board could PLEASE let me know how I can stop
> these assholes, from continuing to SPAM me from their GOOGLE appspot,
> using their GMAIL account, I would GREATLY appreciate it.
The emails are almost certainly not being sent from App Engine (which
would _definitely_ be a violation of our TOS) or from gmail - they're
simply linking to an App Engine app, and forging a gmail from address.
Unfortunately, the real hosts of such spammers are usually the sort
that are either offshore in some spam-friendly jurisdiction, or hosted
by people who don't pay much attention to abuse reports. My own spam
folder testifies to how prevalent this is.
Regards,
Nick Johnson
>
> >
>
--
Nick Johnson, App Engine Developer Programs Engineer
Google Ireland Ltd. :: Registered in Dublin, Ireland, Registration
Number: 368047
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 11:03 PM, Paul NOSPAM<jels...@netzero.com> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I have a yahoo e-mail account, where I am getting TONS of spam, that
> are advertising a website like this -
> http://caatainc1.appspot.com/
>
> I traced the domain back to Google, and called them, because sending
> dozens of e-mails resulted in nothing happening. Guess what?
> Calling them does no good either!! I did get a little girl, who
> directed me to the APPSPOT.com site, where I could complain about the
> spam, but guess what? there is NO contact information for reporting
> this crap!!
http://code.google.com/support/bin/request.py?contact_type=AppEngineContact
Note that simply being linked to in spam is not itself in violation of
our terms of service - nobody can control who links to them - but it's
possible this application is in violation of other parts of our TOS.
>
> So, if someone on this board could PLEASE let me know how I can stop
> these assholes, from continuing to SPAM me from their GOOGLE appspot,
> using their GMAIL account, I would GREATLY appreciate it.
would _definitely_ be a violation of our TOS) or from gmail - they're
simply linking to an App Engine app, and forging a gmail from address.
Unfortunately, the real hosts of such spammers are usually the sort
that are either offshore in some spam-friendly jurisdiction, or hosted
by people who don't pay much attention to abuse reports. My own spam
folder testifies to how prevalent this is.
Regards,
Nick Johnson
>
> >
>
--
Nick Johnson, App Engine Developer Programs Engineer
Google Ireland Ltd. :: Registered in Dublin, Ireland, Registration
Number: 368047
Duong BaTien
Jul 9, 2009, 10:44:08 AM7/9/09
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Hi Nick:
I have similar, but business wide more serious, issue of forging the
emails and send as spam to other web sides. I do not have time to
investigate this issue yet since we are still converting everything to
Google infrastructure using GAE and gmail, and will leverage Google
Wave.
Issue: We have 3 domain names. 1 domain name received a lot of spam mail
and was forged to send spam mail to others many years ago. I converted
my mail services for sending and receiving to gmail and moved the domain
name to GoDaddy. The received and sending spam mails become less, but
still there. The other 2 domain names are recent in the past 2-3 years
using GoDaddy DNS and google mail services right from the beginning.
Recently, some forged emails using the 3 domain names with different
user names are sent to various sites. I configure gmail to received all
mails under the domain names but not delivered to legitimate users to
one account, and see the spam and undelivered mails to direct users to
their web sites in Russia and China. The question are
(1) How can they forge the domain name with their faked user names and
send emails to spam others which will definitely damage our domain
names?
(2) What can i do to prevent this? In the near future, DNS and simple
public web sites are only 2 things we use from GoDaddy; the web sites
are used for publishing XML configurations for Google gadgets and for
online backups of live services from google.
Thanks
BaTien
DBGROUPS and BudhNet
Nick Johnson (Google)
Jul 9, 2009, 12:54:31 PM7/9/09
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Hi Duong,
The google-appengine group isn't really the ideal place to ask these
sorts of questions, but I'll do my best to respond.
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Duong BaTien<duong....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Nick:
>
> I have similar, but business wide more serious, issue of forging the
> emails and send as spam to other web sides. I do not have time to
> investigate this issue yet since we are still converting everything to
> Google infrastructure using GAE and gmail, and will leverage Google
> Wave.
>
> Issue: We have 3 domain names. 1 domain name received a lot of spam mail
> and was forged to send spam mail to others many years ago. I converted
> my mail services for sending and receiving to gmail and moved the domain
> name to GoDaddy. The received and sending spam mails become less, but
> still there. The other 2 domain names are recent in the past 2-3 years
> using GoDaddy DNS and google mail services right from the beginning.
> Recently, some forged emails using the 3 domain names with different
> user names are sent to various sites. I configure gmail to received all
> mails under the domain names but not delivered to legitimate users to
> one account, and see the spam and undelivered mails to direct users to
> their web sites in Russia and China. The question are
> (1) How can they forge the domain name with their faked user names and
> send emails to spam others which will definitely damage our domain
> names?
The SMTP protocol, which is the protocol used to send email over the
Internet, doesn't perform any checks to ensure that someone 'owns' the
email they're claiming is their from address. This applies to all
email - you can generally trust that when you send an email to
someone, they're the only one able to read it, but the reverse is not
true - anyone can forge an email that purports to be from anyone they
want.
> (2) What can i do to prevent this? In the near future, DNS and simple
> public web sites are only 2 things we use from GoDaddy; the web sites
> are used for publishing XML configurations for Google gadgets and for
> online backups of live services from google.
There's very little you can do. You can ensure you set up SPF records
for your domains, which will let smart mail systems know that the
spams being sent are not legitimately from your domain, which will
cause those sites to reject the messages, but this won't work
universally.
-Nick Johnson
The google-appengine group isn't really the ideal place to ask these
sorts of questions, but I'll do my best to respond.
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Duong BaTien<duong....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Nick:
>
> I have similar, but business wide more serious, issue of forging the
> emails and send as spam to other web sides. I do not have time to
> investigate this issue yet since we are still converting everything to
> Google infrastructure using GAE and gmail, and will leverage Google
> Wave.
>
> Issue: We have 3 domain names. 1 domain name received a lot of spam mail
> and was forged to send spam mail to others many years ago. I converted
> my mail services for sending and receiving to gmail and moved the domain
> name to GoDaddy. The received and sending spam mails become less, but
> still there. The other 2 domain names are recent in the past 2-3 years
> using GoDaddy DNS and google mail services right from the beginning.
> Recently, some forged emails using the 3 domain names with different
> user names are sent to various sites. I configure gmail to received all
> mails under the domain names but not delivered to legitimate users to
> one account, and see the spam and undelivered mails to direct users to
> their web sites in Russia and China. The question are
> (1) How can they forge the domain name with their faked user names and
> send emails to spam others which will definitely damage our domain
> names?
Internet, doesn't perform any checks to ensure that someone 'owns' the
email they're claiming is their from address. This applies to all
email - you can generally trust that when you send an email to
someone, they're the only one able to read it, but the reverse is not
true - anyone can forge an email that purports to be from anyone they
want.
> (2) What can i do to prevent this? In the near future, DNS and simple
> public web sites are only 2 things we use from GoDaddy; the web sites
> are used for publishing XML configurations for Google gadgets and for
> online backups of live services from google.
for your domains, which will let smart mail systems know that the
spams being sent are not legitimately from your domain, which will
cause those sites to reject the messages, but this won't work
universally.
-Nick Johnson
Paul NOSPAM
Jul 10, 2009, 11:04:14 PM7/10/09
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Well Nick, thanks for the response, but it is nothing more than
fucking BULLSHIT.
They have control over the e-mails that are being sent out, then ORDER
them to be sent out!! Who else would send out dozens of spam e-
mails, advertising DIFFERENT site names, that all contain the same
'image' of the same website, other than the FRAUDULENT people who are
designing the website on the GOOGLE servers and then "forging" e-mail
headers to GOOGLE e-mail?
Face it Nick, it's ALL ABOUT THE MONEY. These spammers are paying
for a website, and all I am doing is telling Google - Hey, you need to
stop taking money from these people because they are BAD people.
Who is Google going to listen to? $$$$$$$$$$$$
How about I offer you $10 to go shut down their site on Google??
Google is nothing more than a long line of greed-mongering companies
that will soon be the DEMISE of the American way of life as we knew
it.
Enjoy your time there.
Regards
NOSPAM
On Jul 9, 4:26 am, "Nick Johnson (Google)" <nick.john...@google.com>
wrote:
> Hi Paul,
>
> On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 11:03 PM, Paul NOSPAM<jelst...@netzero.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello,
>
> > I have a yahoo e-mail account, where I am getting TONS of spam, that
> > are advertising a website like this -
> >http://caatainc1.appspot.com/
>
> > I traced the domain back to Google, and called them, because sending
> > dozens of e-mails resulted in nothing happening. Guess what?
> > Calling them does no good either!! I did get a little girl, who
> > directed me to the APPSPOT.com site, where I could complain about the
> > spam, but guess what? there is NO contact information for reporting
> > this crap!!
>
> We have an abuse report form, here:http://code.google.com/support/bin/request.py?contact_type=AppEngineC...
> On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 11:03 PM, Paul NOSPAM<jelst...@netzero.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello,
>
> > I have a yahoo e-mail account, where I am getting TONS of spam, that
> > are advertising a website like this -
> >http://caatainc1.appspot.com/
>
> > I traced the domain back to Google, and called them, because sending
> > dozens of e-mails resulted in nothing happening. Guess what?
> > Calling them does no good either!! I did get a little girl, who
> > directed me to the APPSPOT.com site, where I could complain about the
> > spam, but guess what? there is NO contact information for reporting
> > this crap!!
>
Steve Robillard
Jul 10, 2009, 11:11:45 PM7/10/09
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Paul,
Perhaps you should look at your mail software for a solution. Most software
allows you to block or mark a sender as spam, thus avoiding the need for you
to waste your obviously valuable time dealing with it. Remember there is
more than one way to skin Bugs Bunny.
Steve
Perhaps you should look at your mail software for a solution. Most software
allows you to block or mark a sender as spam, thus avoiding the need for you
to waste your obviously valuable time dealing with it. Remember there is
more than one way to skin Bugs Bunny.
Steve
Paul NOSPAM
Jul 10, 2009, 11:31:04 PM7/10/09
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Guess what I got today? ANOTHER e-mail, advertising the SAME site,
under a different name!! SurPrize, SirPrise.
http://qungfa.appspot.com/
Compare it to this one:
http://caatainc1.appspot.com/
Even the body of the e-mails is the same - except for the website
name:
We sell quality shoes, jeans at cheap price. Accept PAYPAL for
payment. And do drop shipping. We also have t-shirts, sandal, belt,
bags, jacket, pant, necklace in stock. Many nice products in our site
(qungfa.appspot.com)
If you interest some mens costume, ladies costume or children
costume, please remember our site. If you have any questions, don't
hesitate to contact us please. Your satisfaction is our goal.
Best regards
Wallace
qungfa.appspot.com
The point is, these guys keep PAYING to put up mirror sites, and keep
sending out the spam to the same folks. As long as they are paying
GOOGLE for the site, then everything is A-OK.
> Hi Paul,
under a different name!! SurPrize, SirPrise.
http://qungfa.appspot.com/
Compare it to this one:
http://caatainc1.appspot.com/
Even the body of the e-mails is the same - except for the website
name:
We sell quality shoes, jeans at cheap price. Accept PAYPAL for
payment. And do drop shipping. We also have t-shirts, sandal, belt,
bags, jacket, pant, necklace in stock. Many nice products in our site
(qungfa.appspot.com)
If you interest some mens costume, ladies costume or children
costume, please remember our site. If you have any questions, don't
hesitate to contact us please. Your satisfaction is our goal.
Best regards
Wallace
qungfa.appspot.com
The point is, these guys keep PAYING to put up mirror sites, and keep
sending out the spam to the same folks. As long as they are paying
GOOGLE for the site, then everything is A-OK.
> Hi Paul,
>
> On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 11:03 PM, Paul NOSPAM<jelst...@netzero.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello,
>
> > I have a yahoo e-mail account, where I am getting TONS of spam, that
> > are advertising a website like this -
> >http://caatainc1.appspot.com/
>
> > I traced the domain back to Google, and called them, because sending
> > dozens of e-mails resulted in nothing happening. Guess what?
> > Calling them does no good either!! I did get a little girl, who
> > directed me to the APPSPOT.com site, where I could complain about the
> > spam, but guess what? there is NO contact information for reporting
> > this crap!!
>
> We have an abuse report form, here:http://code.google.com/support/bin/request.py?contact_type=AppEngineC...
> On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 11:03 PM, Paul NOSPAM<jelst...@netzero.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello,
>
> > I have a yahoo e-mail account, where I am getting TONS of spam, that
> > are advertising a website like this -
> >http://caatainc1.appspot.com/
>
> > I traced the domain back to Google, and called them, because sending
> > dozens of e-mails resulted in nothing happening. Guess what?
> > Calling them does no good either!! I did get a little girl, who
> > directed me to the APPSPOT.com site, where I could complain about the
> > spam, but guess what? there is NO contact information for reporting
> > this crap!!
>
Paul NOSPAM
Jul 11, 2009, 10:34:39 AM7/11/09
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Most of this CRAP already goes into my SPAM folder, however some slips
through. I really don't understand why everyone seems to be missing
the point. If nobody is going to DO ANYTHING about these asshole
spammers, why should they cease their activities?
And even worse, the people who KNOW about them (GOOGLE), and yet still
do NOTHING.....
On Jul 10, 10:11 pm, "Steve Robillard" <steverobill...@gmail.com>
wrote:
through. I really don't understand why everyone seems to be missing
the point. If nobody is going to DO ANYTHING about these asshole
spammers, why should they cease their activities?
And even worse, the people who KNOW about them (GOOGLE), and yet still
do NOTHING.....
On Jul 10, 10:11 pm, "Steve Robillard" <steverobill...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Wooble
Jul 11, 2009, 1:05:54 PM7/11/09
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On Jul 11, 10:34 am, Paul NOSPAM <jelst...@netzero.com> wrote:
> Most of this CRAP already goes into my SPAM folder, however some slips
> through. I really don't understand why everyone seems to be missing
> the point.
appropriate place to report abuse? Yes, we all missed that.
Paul NOSPAM
Jul 12, 2009, 7:36:49 PM7/12/09
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Weeble's wobble, but they don't fight spam.
The 'point' Wobble, is that there is NO PLACE on the site, where you
can find, to report the SPAM... so it continues, as yet today, ANOTHER
one from the spammers at Google...
Hey buddy! Are you interested in any merchandise? At mallbrand we
provide the best brands such as lacoste, Louis Vuitton, Prada, D&G,
Versace and many more of these luxurious brands, offering from t-
shirts to watches at a very affordable price! We use the best quality
material in our products, and thrive for customer satisfaction. Do the
right thing and shop at ShowAllPic today! Go to http://ttwaitapp22.appspot.com
The 'point' Wobble, is that there is NO PLACE on the site, where you
can find, to report the SPAM... so it continues, as yet today, ANOTHER
one from the spammers at Google...
Hey buddy! Are you interested in any merchandise? At mallbrand we
provide the best brands such as lacoste, Louis Vuitton, Prada, D&G,
Versace and many more of these luxurious brands, offering from t-
shirts to watches at a very affordable price! We use the best quality
material in our products, and thrive for customer satisfaction. Do the
right thing and shop at ShowAllPic today! Go to http://ttwaitapp22.appspot.com
Steve Robillard
Jul 12, 2009, 7:49:09 PM7/12/09
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Paul at the risk of continuing this rant of yours (which has been pointed
out is directed at the wrong group). Your actions in emailing this group
multiple times a day is exactly the behavior which you are complaining
about. Perhaps you should find another more appropriate forum for your
problem.
Thanks,
out is directed at the wrong group). Your actions in emailing this group
multiple times a day is exactly the behavior which you are complaining
about. Perhaps you should find another more appropriate forum for your
problem.
Thanks,
Steve
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Tony Rowles
Jul 12, 2009, 9:48:52 PM7/12/09
to Google App Engine
I'm just curious, how did you miss the first two replies to this
thread which gave you the (easily found) link to report App Engine
apps that are in violation of Google's TOS?
On Jul 12, 7:36 pm, Paul NOSPAM <jelst...@netzero.com> wrote:
> Weeble's wobble, but they don't fight spam.
>
> The 'point' Wobble, is that there is NO PLACE on the site, where you
> can find, to report the SPAM... so it continues, as yet today, ANOTHER
> one from the spammers at Google...
>
> Hey buddy! Are you interested in any merchandise? At mallbrand we
> provide the best brands such as lacoste, Louis Vuitton, Prada, D&G,
> Versace and many more of these luxurious brands, offering from t-
> shirts to watches at a very affordable price! We use the best quality
> material in our products, and thrive for customer satisfaction. Do the
> right thing and shop at ShowAllPic today! Go tohttp://ttwaitapp22.appspot.com
thread which gave you the (easily found) link to report App Engine
apps that are in violation of Google's TOS?
On Jul 12, 7:36 pm, Paul NOSPAM <jelst...@netzero.com> wrote:
> Weeble's wobble, but they don't fight spam.
>
> The 'point' Wobble, is that there is NO PLACE on the site, where you
> can find, to report the SPAM... so it continues, as yet today, ANOTHER
> one from the spammers at Google...
>
> Hey buddy! Are you interested in any merchandise? At mallbrand we
> provide the best brands such as lacoste, Louis Vuitton, Prada, D&G,
> Versace and many more of these luxurious brands, offering from t-
> shirts to watches at a very affordable price! We use the best quality
> material in our products, and thrive for customer satisfaction. Do the
mauronr
Jul 12, 2009, 11:43:04 AM7/12/09
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Hey Paul,
Why don't you follow the correct way of reporting spam?
Which would be:
- Get the message's header
- Check the IP address that the spammer is sending the messages from;
- whois that address to find out the network owner (the source network
owner is the guy to be blamed, not the website's host) ;
Note that the sender's address mail is extremely easy to spoof, so
even if it's @gmail.com, this doesn't mean it's actually a GMail
account.
- Send a message to abuse@<network_owner> and copy abuse@<the nic of
the owner's country>
Another simpler way is to create a filter in your mailbox to filter
these messages out.
Cheers!
Why don't you follow the correct way of reporting spam?
Which would be:
- Get the message's header
- Check the IP address that the spammer is sending the messages from;
- whois that address to find out the network owner (the source network
owner is the guy to be blamed, not the website's host) ;
Note that the sender's address mail is extremely easy to spoof, so
even if it's @gmail.com, this doesn't mean it's actually a GMail
account.
- Send a message to abuse@<network_owner> and copy abuse@<the nic of
the owner's country>
Another simpler way is to create a filter in your mailbox to filter
these messages out.
Cheers!
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