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[johnP]

Just got email that old appengine console will be shut off in 6 weeks.  The new cloud console does not have a "migrate traffic" option in the Versions screen.  This was my absolute favorite new feature in a long, long time.  Will it be available in the new console?

[PK]

We also need the “Billing/Usage History” equivalent functionality, has this page been migrated to the new console?

PK

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Just got email that old appengine console will be shut off in 6 weeks.  The new cloud console does not have a "migrate traffic" option in the Versions screen.  This was my absolute favorite new feature in a long, long time.  Will it be available in the new console?

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[Lorne Kligerman]

I'm happy to report that both features are in the works and will launch shortly, before the old console is turned down.

Cheers,

Lorne.

[johnP]

Good news - thanks.

[Mark Cummins]

Will the logs viewer in the Cloud Console be improved before the App Engine console is shut down? The main reason I still use the old console is that I find the old logs viewer much more useful than the new one.

The new logs viewer is shows a view that is either totally collapsed (useless) or totally expanded (so verbose it's hard to see anything). The setup of the old viewer was ideal. (Semi-expanded, no headers, but showing one line of each log message in a request). It's really hard to get a quick sense of what's happening in the logs with the new viewer.

It has a number of other downsides, but I could mostly live with it if this basic usability issue was fixed.

[Stefano Ciccarelli]

And what about the dispatch? If you have a dispatch configured you can view it only on the old console!

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[Rajkumar Radhakrishnan]

Hi,

Google App Engine has been offering an option to "permanently prohibit code downloads." ever since launch in April 2008. This action was available for users with "Admin" and "Developer" role and is currently available in the Versions page of old Admin Console, like shown in the image below.

The new Cloud Platform Console does not seem to offer this option. Before the old Admin Console is to be phased out completely, this facility needs to be available in some form in the new Cloud Platform Console.

This "permanently prohibit code downloads" option was useful to help enable developers deploy software to multiple customers, each having their own datastore, billing settings, backup configuration, etc.,. while also assuring the developer that the code will remain safe from being downloaded off from Google servers.

Since a "Marketplace for Google App Engine apps" as detailed in 

https://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=5821

.. is not yet available, this is the only option available to license software run-times, without providing access to the binaries and the source code.

I have also raised an issue, so that developers can star and be notified of the change in issue status:

https://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=12763

Thanks & regards,

Raj

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[bFlood]

how do you search/filter on the new log viewer? does it require enabling Google Cloud Monitoring (which is still in beta)? 

[Nick (Cloud Platform Support)]

Hey Folks, 

Raj has done the best thing in this circumstance and that's to post to the Public Issue Tracker if you have a feature request to make. It's much more likely that your request will be acknowledged if you post to the correct place, and at least in the Public Issue Tracker you have guaranteed triage of any feature requests, whereas in a Groups thread like this one, you pretty much rely on an informal method of someone reading your comment and taking time to work on it.

So, feel free to post any requests you have for the new Developers Console in the Public Issue Tracker for App Engine. You'll see it accepted and work begun relatively quickly.

Thanks,

Nick
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[Christian F. Howes]

Hi Lorne,

Is there any chance that you can share the console roadmap with us?  given that we are getting the turn-down threats again, and the new console is still missing many features it would be helpful to know which ones are known to the team working on the console and which need new tickets.

Is overall speed of the new console going to be addressed?  I lose several developer hours a week using the new console waiting for things to load, and as such my team and I tend to use the old console whenever possible.

Thanks,

Christian

On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 4:43:55 PM UTC-8, Lorne Kligerman wrote:

[Mark Cummins]

+1 for the speed of the new console. The old console is very noticeably faster.

[troberti]

1+ for speed. Also, is the requests/seconds coming to the new console? At least for me that's an easier value to discuss. Besides, the new console's request/minute do not match the request/second metric in the old console.

[Lorne Kligerman]

Thanks everyone for the feedback.  Overall, we are going to reach feature parity in the Cloud Platform Console before turning down the Admin Console.  The next communication we send will have more details and will outline any gaps that exist and our plans to address them.  To answer the questions asked here:

- the dispatch rules will not be visible right away, but we are actively working on a mechanism for you to view all of your App Engine configuration in one place

- prohibiting code downloads will not show up in the same way, but this can be managed through roles and upcoming IAM functionality

- as mentioned already, performance is a known issue that is a top priority for the team

Please continue to log issues as Nick mentioned and we will triage accordingly.

Cheers,

Lorne.

[Christian F. Howes]

Thanks Lorne.

Will we also be better at triaging and updating the Public Issue
Tracker? Paid support told me today that several of the issues I filed
last year are supposedly fixed, but the Public Issue Tracker has yet to
be updated.

The lack of information provided, but the hard deadline on the turn-down
notice really concerns me as I don't have confidence that I will be able
to efficiently and effectively manage my app 6 weeks from now.

Thanks,

Christian

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[Lorne Kligerman]

We are working to improve our attention to the public issue tracker, something we acknowledge has slipped but it is by no means an indication that these items are not important to us and our engineering teams.

Besides the items already mentioned here (usage history, migrate traffic, logs), could you elaborate on what else would limit your ability to manage your app from the Cloud Console?

[Christian F. Howes]

Lorne,

the other things that hinder us in a measurable way are page load times,
lack of direct links to individual pages, and finding where things are
(including having some things missing from the search index).

on a personal opinion level I really miss having all my app engine
management tools 1 click away with a full listing in the sidebar. now
several of them are 2 clicks away.

thanks for the continued improvements! things are getting better in the
new console and it's close to ready for the switch.

christian

[Nickolas Daskalou]

For me, the new Cloud Console is more aesthetically pleasing, and it is indeed nice to have all of Google Cloud in one aggregated console.

It can, however, get very clunky at times.

The new Logs viewer is a perfect example of this. E.g. hitting enter in the search box works most of the time, but then there are occasions where nothing happens. Type in an extra search query, or delete an existing search item, hit Enter, then.... nothing. No change in the log items list. Auto refresh on scroll up/down can be good, until it doesn't work. Then it gets super frustrating. Clicking on the refresh and play buttons, work well, until they don't. I've also seen the date/time input clobbered, seemingly randomly.

If I'm on the new Logs viewer page for more than a few minutes at a time, I find myself having to constantly reload the page to get it working again. A simple refresh will not do, because the browser's current address bar URL changes as you use the Logs viewer, and it's possible a simple refresh will result in a similar unresponsive, quirky view you were already on.

So instead, when I want to refresh the Logs viewer (which occurs 90% of the time I have been on the page for more than a few minutes), I need to manually delete most of the current URL to get back to the base, "starting" Logs viewer URL for my current project.

I sometimes think about Celine Dion's Titanic song, you know the one that goes "every night in my dreams, I see you, I feel you"? I feel that way about the " · · · Loading..." mini status popup in the new Logs viewer. It haunts me, and sometimes it just won't go away.

The new Cloud Console feels half-baked. Well, 80% baked. At least the App Engine parts do. Or rather, the App Engine parts I use. Another example: "Could not load instances information. [Dismiss link]" in the App Engine -> Versions page constantly pops up when I'm trying to switch between modules. Constantly.

Also, this guy:

Sometimes he just can't take the hint and leave.

However, as the Iron Sheik once said, besides that everything was great.

Nick

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[Lorne Kligerman]

I appreciate the detailed description here, it helps a lot in reproducing on our side.  

I'm curious to hear about individual deep links that seem to be missing.  Christian, could you or others elaborate?

[Nick (Cloud Platform Support)]

Hey Chris,

If you could link which issues those are which have been fixed but not updated, we could take a look and determine whether they should be updated with any new relevant information, such as a fix. Feel free to reply to me in this thread.

Best wishes,

Nick

[Nickolas Daskalou]

Hi Lorne / Nick,

Yet another new issue with the Logs viewer which just occurred about 5 minutes ago.

Upon visiting the Logs viewer for 2 different projects, this error popped up before any logs were shown, then disappeared after about 5 seconds without me doing anything (and finally logs were indeed shown):

Nick

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[Nick (Cloud Platform Support)]

Hey Nickolas,

If you can, capture the tab's activity during the error into a HAR file, you should post that to the Public Issue Tracker, attaching the "Restrict-View-EditIssue" label, so that only Google and yourself can view it. We'll be in touch shortly after the thread is created.

Best wishes,

Nick
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[Christian F. Howes]

Hi Nick,

Can you just review cloud support case 08706899 for which PIT issues are not properly updated?  I've listed them out there in the original filing of the case and the response from the support team is that several of them are fixed.

Thanks,

Christian

[Christian F. Howes]

Lorne,

First off the link to customer support is buried inside some menu option that does not show up in search.

While never officially supported, the customer support team taught me how to link to an individual log record in the old console.  This has really helped me both with internal QA and with customer support tickets.

The links to individual datastore records and query results that were missing before have been restored.  thanks!

I just noticed that i cannot get directly to the datastore entries viewer - i have to search for the datastore item, click into it, wait for it to load, and then select entries and wait for it to load.  this was 1 click in the old console.  There are many actions that were 1 click and took much less time to load that are now buried under multiple clicks with slow load times of the intermediate pages.

It looks like the pagination links are missing from the task queue task viewer.  I was just trying to diagnose something with my tasks and can't look at any tasks beyond the first 100 in the queue. :(

Thanks for all the attention to helping make this a great tool for us!

Christian

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Quick tip for less clicks: If you pin any section you use frequently, you will get a quick link to it in the left-top corner.

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[Nick (Cloud Platform Support)]

Hey Christian,

I just noticed that case is still open. Feel free to respond to that case if you feel that anything you've brought up there remains unaddressed. For my part, I'm looking over the given Public Issue Tracker threads and looking into getting a communication out on those threads.

Regards,

Nick 

[Adam (Cloud Platform Support)]

Hi Christian,

We've prodded the engineering team to update the issue trackers, so hopefully we will see some updates. The exception is Issue 6799 which was a years old report of slowness which is being closed out due to inactivity. Any new issues of that type should be filed as a new issue report.

[johnP]

Glad this issue is getting lots of attention.  Another major issue for me is the Instances viewer.  The original console made it easy to hit refresh to see how many requests each instance has served, and how many errors for each instance.

With the new console, I do not know how to refresh the view.  Hitting refresh does not help.  Exiting and re-entering the screen does not help.  Searching for another 30 minutes to see if I missed the refresh button on the screen does not help (am I missing it after all these hours of searching?  Am I really dyslexic?)  

In general, it seems like the original console was built by engineers who used app engine and the new console is built with engineers who were told to 'make it better'  but don't use app engine at all.  Some really basic stuff is missing. 

[Joshua Smith]

Exactly.

I will take ugly, fast, and functional over slick and broken any day.

It’s why I use Emacs and not some IDE :)

[johnP]

I suppose the 'constructive suggestion' in this case is to include a 'refresh' button on all screens :)

[Nick (Cloud Platform Support)]

Hey John,

Feel free to file Feature Requests over at the Public Issue Tracker and we'll be more than happy to get started on tracking them!

Best regards,

Nick
Cloud Platform Community Support

[Kaan Soral]

Since I have years of GAE experience, I just let things roll, so I didn't complain when the new Console rolled out, just waiting things to play out is more logical and sane

However, I will just say this, the new console needs:

1) Logs in the Main Menu

2) Usage History in the Main Menu, including Yesterday, maybe unofficially until the calculations are final

3) Daily Usage Total in the Dashboard (the charges exist individually, yet I'm not interested in calculating the total on my own, I just use the calculation to quickly check that the app isn't consuming too much)

I know the main comeback is to suggest a public tracker issue, yet I had issues in the past, some recent, nothing happened, so I will just throw these here

2 years ago I wrote my own Logs Viewer, as even back then the Logs Viewer was unreliable, so I only used the console to check the usage and queues, now I don't/can't use the new Console at all, if one of my apps went haywire and spent $200 a day, I would refute the charges :) - as I'm practically blind since this new Console is so impractical and cryptic

Just list everything in one place goddammit

[Nick (Cloud Platform Support)]

Hey Kaan,

The best way to track these requests is to give them each their own unique, trackable thread in the Public Issue Tracker. Your suggestions are excellent and I'd be sad to see them languish in a one-off comment in a long groups thread!

Best regards,

Nick
Cloud Platform Community Support

[mike]

Please keep the old console for longer!

I really like the old console, way better than the new console. Old console is clean and fast, new console slow and trying to offer too much.

[Lorne Kligerman]

We've created a page with more specific details about the migration to the Cloud Console:

https://cloud.google.com/appengine/articles/console-faq

Thanks for the suggestion about refreshing the instances view, noted!

[Stefano Ciccarelli]

Thank you very much for sharing the FAQs, but there are no words about the "dispatch" configuration.

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[Nick (Cloud Platform Support)]

Hey Stefano,

I believe I know what you're referring to - you used to be able to change the dispatch rules within the old console itself, no? Currently the established method to change dispatch rules is via deployment of the dispatch.yaml file. If you'd like, you could make a feature request in the Public Issue Tracker for dispatch rule management in the new console, as you can for any other feature request you'd like to see, whether related to the console or any other service.

Best of luck!

Nick
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On Tuesday, March 22, 2016 at 4:12:08 AM UTC-4, Stefano Ciccarelli wrote:

Thank you very much for sharing the FAQs, but there are no words about the "dispatch" configuration.

Il giorno lun 21 mar 2016 alle ore 19:30 'Lorne Kligerman' via Google App Engine <google-appengine@googlegroups.com> ha scritto:

We've created a page with more specific details about the migration to the Cloud Console:

https://cloud.google.com/appengine/articles/console-faq

Thanks for the suggestion about refreshing the instances view, noted!

On Saturday, March 19, 2016 at 12:33:58 PM UTC-7, mike wrote:

Please keep the old console for longer!

I really like the old console, way better than the new console. Old console is clean and fast, new console slow and trying to offer too much.

On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 6:46:19 PM UTC-5, johnP wrote:

Just got email that old appengine console will be shut off in 6 weeks.  The new cloud console does not have a "migrate traffic" option in the Versions screen.  This was my absolute favorite new feature in a long, long time.  Will it be available in the new console?

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