Python now, Coldfusion next?
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Rif
Apr 8, 2008, 5:56:49 PM4/8/08
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Wow Google, well done with this...
Python is cool.. but would be amazing to support somthing like
coldfusion (would pay more if CF was an option)
Regards
RK
Python is cool.. but would be amazing to support somthing like
coldfusion (would pay more if CF was an option)
Regards
RK
koguma
Apr 8, 2008, 6:00:48 PM4/8/08
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Ahahahaha
Oh wait, it's not April 1st.
Oh wait, it's not April 1st.
Berlin Brown
Apr 8, 2008, 6:24:03 PM4/8/08
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Ruby, Java or open-ended REST oriented system.
jackson....@gmail.com
Apr 8, 2008, 6:51:21 PM4/8/08
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PHP is "like ColdFusion" so in that sense this may happen. But I
cannot imagine Google would actually support ColdFusion.
If I was a betting man I would say that Google would support new
languages in the following order:
2) PHP
3) Ruby
4) Java
4) Perl 6 (hey, they have to release it some day)
Just my 2 cents.
-Jackson
cannot imagine Google would actually support ColdFusion.
If I was a betting man I would say that Google would support new
languages in the following order:
2) PHP
3) Ruby
4) Java
4) Perl 6 (hey, they have to release it some day)
Just my 2 cents.
-Jackson
Rif
Apr 8, 2008, 6:56:26 PM4/8/08
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Coldfusion been the lost child of Macromedia & Adobe.. it has one the
best development community and amazing Framework like fusebox.
Its so easy and many people from Flash and become developers because
of it.
Google.. bring in Coldfusion, Flash and Flex.
Rif Kiamil | IT Guy | JJ Food Service
best development community and amazing Framework like fusebox.
Its so easy and many people from Flash and become developers because
of it.
Google.. bring in Coldfusion, Flash and Flex.
Rif Kiamil | IT Guy | JJ Food Service
appengine
Apr 8, 2008, 7:35:25 PM4/8/08
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Seriously???!!! are you kidding me?!? you guys at Google are getting
more and more arrogant (I'm glad I didn't take your job offer and
started my own web app!) how could you not support Java or etc. ?!?!
You guys are unbelievably arrogant. I think Amazon.com's AWS could
teach you a few things and show you how things are done properly. You
are becoming amateurs and copy cats but at least I was expecting that
you could do a better job copying others..I was wrong!
more and more arrogant (I'm glad I didn't take your job offer and
started my own web app!) how could you not support Java or etc. ?!?!
You guys are unbelievably arrogant. I think Amazon.com's AWS could
teach you a few things and show you how things are done properly. You
are becoming amateurs and copy cats but at least I was expecting that
you could do a better job copying others..I was wrong!
Bobby R. Ward
Apr 8, 2008, 7:44:05 PM4/8/08
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koguma
Apr 8, 2008, 8:09:57 PM4/8/08
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I can't believe you guys are actually thinking this will ever happen.
Might as well wish for ASP.
First of all, ColdFusion will never ever happen. Because it's a
closed source product. Same reason ASP will never ever happen.
In theory, if Google and Adobe made a deal, it may happen. The same
theory holds for Microsoft and Google. I wouldn't hold my breath for
this to happen.
Additionally, Adobe would have to cripple their app for it to meet the
App Engine restrictions. Not gonna happen.
I think we can pretty much rule out any commercial product being
supported by the App engine.
On Apr 8, 6:24 pm, Berlin Brown <berlin.br...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 8, 6:00 pm, koguma <AlexeyZil...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Ahahahaha
>
> > Oh wait, it's not April 1st.
>
> > On Apr 8, 5:56 pm, Rif <rif.kia...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Wow Google, well done with this...
>
> > > Python is cool.. but would be amazing to support somthing like
> > >coldfusion(would pay more if CF was an option)
Might as well wish for ASP.
First of all, ColdFusion will never ever happen. Because it's a
closed source product. Same reason ASP will never ever happen.
In theory, if Google and Adobe made a deal, it may happen. The same
theory holds for Microsoft and Google. I wouldn't hold my breath for
this to happen.
Additionally, Adobe would have to cripple their app for it to meet the
App Engine restrictions. Not gonna happen.
I think we can pretty much rule out any commercial product being
supported by the App engine.
On Apr 8, 6:24 pm, Berlin Brown <berlin.br...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 8, 6:00 pm, koguma <AlexeyZil...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Ahahahaha
>
> > Oh wait, it's not April 1st.
>
> > On Apr 8, 5:56 pm, Rif <rif.kia...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Wow Google, well done with this...
>
> > > Python is cool.. but would be amazing to support somthing like
koguma
Apr 8, 2008, 8:16:57 PM4/8/08
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Ok, I think all those people who are clamoring for Java, haven't read
the restrictions on this thing.
Threads aren't supported. Java is multithreaded.
CGI interface only. Sure, you can run Java as a CGI. But that's
crazy.
No networking, no file creation. Java, your best features are out.
For this to happen, Google would have to license the Java stack from
Sun, same as Azul systems do. To modify it to run on the App engine.
Sure, it's possible, and I could be wrong, but I think google has
better things to do then re-write java. Because that's what it would
take to cripple it like that. Think about it. You would even have to
cut out the garbage collection!
I think those languages that already support most of what the App
engine does (ie. it's restrictions) will be considered.
Those are (aside from python):
1) PHP
2) Ruby
3) Perl
I don't see anything else being possible within the next 5 years.
Then again, I could be wrong. Please prove me wrong.
-Alex
On Apr 8, 6:51 pm, "jackson.h.mil...@gmail.com"
<jackson.h.mil...@gmail.com> wrote:
> PHP is "likeColdFusion" so in that sense this may happen. But I
the restrictions on this thing.
Threads aren't supported. Java is multithreaded.
CGI interface only. Sure, you can run Java as a CGI. But that's
crazy.
No networking, no file creation. Java, your best features are out.
For this to happen, Google would have to license the Java stack from
Sun, same as Azul systems do. To modify it to run on the App engine.
Sure, it's possible, and I could be wrong, but I think google has
better things to do then re-write java. Because that's what it would
take to cripple it like that. Think about it. You would even have to
cut out the garbage collection!
I think those languages that already support most of what the App
engine does (ie. it's restrictions) will be considered.
Those are (aside from python):
1) PHP
2) Ruby
3) Perl
I don't see anything else being possible within the next 5 years.
Then again, I could be wrong. Please prove me wrong.
-Alex
On Apr 8, 6:51 pm, "jackson.h.mil...@gmail.com"
<jackson.h.mil...@gmail.com> wrote:
> PHP is "likeColdFusion" so in that sense this may happen. But I
> cannot imagine Google would actually supportColdFusion.
>
> If I was a betting man I would say that Google would support new
> languages in the following order:
>
> 2) PHP
> 3) Ruby
> 4) Java
> 4) Perl 6 (hey, they have to release it some day)
>
> Just my 2 cents.
>
> -Jackson
>
> On Apr 8, 5:24 pm, Berlin Brown <berlin.br...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 8, 6:00 pm, koguma <AlexeyZil...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Ahahahaha
>
> > > Oh wait, it's not April 1st.
>
> > > On Apr 8, 5:56 pm, Rif <rif.kia...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Wow Google, well done with this...
>
> > > > Python is cool.. but would be amazing to support somthing like
> > > >coldfusion(would pay more if CF was an option)
>
> If I was a betting man I would say that Google would support new
> languages in the following order:
>
> 2) PHP
> 3) Ruby
> 4) Java
> 4) Perl 6 (hey, they have to release it some day)
>
> Just my 2 cents.
>
> -Jackson
>
> On Apr 8, 5:24 pm, Berlin Brown <berlin.br...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 8, 6:00 pm, koguma <AlexeyZil...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Ahahahaha
>
> > > Oh wait, it's not April 1st.
>
> > > On Apr 8, 5:56 pm, Rif <rif.kia...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Wow Google, well done with this...
>
> > > > Python is cool.. but would be amazing to support somthing like
John Wells
Apr 8, 2008, 8:21:02 PM4/8/08
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On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 7:35 PM, appengine <buck...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Seriously???!!! are you kidding me?!? you guys at Google are getting
> more and more arrogant (I'm glad I didn't take your job offer and
> started my own web app!) how could you not support Java or etc. ?!?!
> You guys are unbelievably arrogant. I think Amazon.com's AWS could
> teach you a few things and show you how things are done properly. You
> are becoming amateurs and copy cats but at least I was expecting that
> you could do a better job copying others..I was wrong!
>
> Seriously???!!! are you kidding me?!? you guys at Google are getting
> more and more arrogant (I'm glad I didn't take your job offer and
> started my own web app!) how could you not support Java or etc. ?!?!
> You guys are unbelievably arrogant. I think Amazon.com's AWS could
> teach you a few things and show you how things are done properly. You
> are becoming amateurs and copy cats but at least I was expecting that
> you could do a better job copying others..I was wrong!
Wow....the only problem I see with Google's *free* service so far is
that it apparently attracts a lot of freaks.
Seriously, I've seen more kooks on this list today than in the last
few years on many other lists. Hopefully this will dissipate with
time...
John
Rif
Apr 8, 2008, 8:50:35 PM4/8/08
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Coldfusion for years have has to be able to sandbox the products so it
can be used by ISP.. aka no access to network, local file system ect
ect. How eles would you allow 10,000 people to share the same server
with out cleaning each other.
Dont have to have access to Java from development side, just the CFML
that becomes java bytes.
I think Adobe need to get more support behind CF. Most my CF guys
moved over to ASP.net.. they just see the product becoming more and
more of a dead end.
Plus their is an open source version of CF server out their
http://www.smithproject.org/
Coldfusion has been a greate product to get non typical development
people into the world of building web applications. I know a lot of
people that where just into Flash or drawing that where easily able to
pickup CF.
can be used by ISP.. aka no access to network, local file system ect
ect. How eles would you allow 10,000 people to share the same server
with out cleaning each other.
Dont have to have access to Java from development side, just the CFML
that becomes java bytes.
I think Adobe need to get more support behind CF. Most my CF guys
moved over to ASP.net.. they just see the product becoming more and
more of a dead end.
Plus their is an open source version of CF server out their
http://www.smithproject.org/
Coldfusion has been a greate product to get non typical development
people into the world of building web applications. I know a lot of
people that where just into Flash or drawing that where easily able to
pickup CF.
Brett Morgan
Apr 8, 2008, 8:54:15 PM4/8/08
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A really perverse thing to do would be to write a CFML interpreter in
python, and store the CFML pages in the DataStore.
python, and store the CFML pages in the DataStore.
I can't believe i thought of that.
I can't believe i'm contemplating building that.
Help...
Rif
Apr 8, 2008, 9:01:28 PM4/8/08
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Brett Morgan wrote:
> A really perverse thing to do would be to write a CFML interpreter in
> python, and store the CFML pages in the DataStore.
>
> I can't believe i thought of that.
>
> I can't believe i'm contemplating building that.
>
Do it Brett..but you might get to your 5 tag and then give in...
> A really perverse thing to do would be to write a CFML interpreter in
> python, and store the CFML pages in the DataStore.
>
> I can't believe i thought of that.
>
> I can't believe i'm contemplating building that.
>
On an other note.. can some body create a petition application in
Google AE and then I ask all the guys on the house of fusion to sign
it.
Brett Morgan
Apr 8, 2008, 9:05:05 PM4/8/08
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Writing a tag interpreter isn't that hard, especially when you have
things like tagsoup to lean on for initial lexing.
things like tagsoup to lean on for initial lexing.
It's more hurting me that i'm contemplating it given that i have spent
the better part of a decade trying to split presentation and business
logic. Proper enterprise software design and all that jazz.
Rif
Apr 8, 2008, 9:11:39 PM4/8/08
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Thats why we have fusebox for CF and PHP...Keep the logic in one file
and presenation in an other file :)
Plus enterprise care more about working software at the lowest cost,
then about well designed software...
and presenation in an other file :)
Plus enterprise care more about working software at the lowest cost,
then about well designed software...
Rif
Apr 9, 2008, 3:32:44 AM4/9/08
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Show you support for coldfusion by adding a comment to the Issue List
73
http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=73
Vote 73
73
http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=73
Vote 73
Adam Crossland
Apr 9, 2008, 6:08:54 AM4/9/08
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Seriously. I'm on the edge of my seat waiting for some one to
righteously and stridently proclaim MUMPS or FORTH as the obvious
choice that Google missed.
righteously and stridently proclaim MUMPS or FORTH as the obvious
choice that Google missed.
Brett Morgan
Apr 9, 2008, 8:49:48 AM4/9/08
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Dude. Lisp. =)
Adam Crossland
Apr 9, 2008, 9:48:16 AM4/9/08
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RMS? Is that you?
Brett Morgan
Apr 9, 2008, 9:52:40 AM4/9/08
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Bite me. =)
On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 11:48 PM, Adam <adam.cr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> RMS? Is that you?
>
>
>
> >
>
jf
Apr 9, 2008, 9:57:28 AM4/9/08
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this is so exciting.
cant wait for Clipper or Sinclair Basic to be supported.
cant wait for Clipper or Sinclair Basic to be supported.
António Martins
Apr 9, 2008, 9:57:41 AM4/9/08
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CF???
Brett Morgan
Apr 9, 2008, 10:01:52 AM4/9/08
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Clipper? That's cruel.
Adam Crossland
Apr 9, 2008, 11:09:27 AM4/9/08
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You're right. This is getting us nowhere. Google needs to give all
of us root access to their servers; that way, we can just install our
own pet languages and frameworks. Google's insensitivity to the
developer community is...is...making me feel bad.
On Apr 9, 10:01 am, "Brett Morgan" <brett.mor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Clipper? That's cruel.
of us root access to their servers; that way, we can just install our
own pet languages and frameworks. Google's insensitivity to the
developer community is...is...making me feel bad.
On Apr 9, 10:01 am, "Brett Morgan" <brett.mor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Clipper? That's cruel.
Rif
Apr 9, 2008, 3:45:34 PM4/9/08
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CF = Coldfusion - www.coldfusion.com
On Apr 9, 2:57 pm, António Martins <antonio.jorge.mart...@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Apr 9, 2:57 pm, António Martins <antonio.jorge.mart...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Karim A.
Apr 9, 2008, 3:52:17 PM4/9/08
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So you're looking for scary stuff??
COBOL !! COBOL ftw! :)
On Apr 9, 8:45 pm, Rif <rif.kia...@gmail.com> wrote:
> CF = Coldfusion -www.coldfusion.com
COBOL !! COBOL ftw! :)
On Apr 9, 8:45 pm, Rif <rif.kia...@gmail.com> wrote:
> CF = Coldfusion -www.coldfusion.com
Raffaele Castagno
Apr 9, 2008, 4:58:42 PM4/9/08
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Gosh...I'd prefer ruby instead...and I personally _dislike_ ruby...
Raffaele
Raffaele
Adam Haskell
Apr 9, 2008, 7:12:55 PM4/9/08
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There is currently 1 Open source CFML engine on the market, the Smith
Project. A commercial vendor named New Atlanta recently announced
their intention to Open Source their CFML engine, BlueDragon. I am on
the Open BlueDragon steering committee so I have a bit of a bias here
but if you want to use CFML I would encourage checking out Open
BlueDragon, it will release on May 3rd and more information will be
available at http://www.openbluedragon.org shortly. Currently you can
check out New Atlanta's website for details,
http://www.newatlanta.com/products/bluedragon/open_source/faq.cfm .You
can also download the J2EE version from the website with reasonable
confidence that the Open Source release will be similar in nature (not
100% the same due to commercial and incompatible licensed jars in the
current product). If anyone has questions about the project I am
always happy to chat/email, adam.h...@openbluedragon.org.
Adam Haskell
On Apr 8, 8:09 pm, koguma <AlexeyZil...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I can't believe you guys are actually thinking this will ever happen.
> Might as well wish for ASP.
>
> First of all,ColdFusionwill never ever happen. Because it's a
Project. A commercial vendor named New Atlanta recently announced
their intention to Open Source their CFML engine, BlueDragon. I am on
the Open BlueDragon steering committee so I have a bit of a bias here
but if you want to use CFML I would encourage checking out Open
BlueDragon, it will release on May 3rd and more information will be
available at http://www.openbluedragon.org shortly. Currently you can
check out New Atlanta's website for details,
http://www.newatlanta.com/products/bluedragon/open_source/faq.cfm .You
can also download the J2EE version from the website with reasonable
confidence that the Open Source release will be similar in nature (not
100% the same due to commercial and incompatible licensed jars in the
current product). If anyone has questions about the project I am
always happy to chat/email, adam.h...@openbluedragon.org.
Adam Haskell
On Apr 8, 8:09 pm, koguma <AlexeyZil...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I can't believe you guys are actually thinking this will ever happen.
> Might as well wish for ASP.
>
Brett Morgan
Apr 9, 2008, 7:27:30 PM4/9/08
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*grin*
Rif
Apr 10, 2008, 6:03:54 AM4/10/08
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So Adam, do you have a list of supported tags or tags you going to
support? Is your product going to be totaly sandboxed i.e Dev guys
cant access file,network and other stuff on the box?
On Apr 10, 12:12 am, Adam Haskell <a.hask...@gmail.com> wrote:
> There is currently 1 Open sourceCFMLengine on the market, the Smith
support? Is your product going to be totaly sandboxed i.e Dev guys
cant access file,network and other stuff on the box?
On Apr 10, 12:12 am, Adam Haskell <a.hask...@gmail.com> wrote:
> There is currently 1 Open sourceCFMLengine on the market, the Smith
> Project. A commercial vendor named New Atlanta recently announced
> their intention to Open Source theirCFMLengine, BlueDragon. I am on
> the Open BlueDragon steering committee so I have a bit of a bias here
> but if you want to useCFMLI would encourage checking out Open
> BlueDragon, it will release on May 3rd and more information will be
> available athttp://www.openbluedragon.orgshortly. Currently you can
> check out New Atlanta's website for details,http://www.newatlanta.com/products/bluedragon/open_source/faq.cfm.You
> can also download the J2EE version from the website with reasonable
> confidence that the Open Source release will be similar in nature (not
> 100% the same due to commercial and incompatible licensed jars in the
> current product). If anyone has questions about the project I am
> always happy to chat/email, adam.hask...@openbluedragon.org.
> can also download the J2EE version from the website with reasonable
> confidence that the Open Source release will be similar in nature (not
> 100% the same due to commercial and incompatible licensed jars in the
> current product). If anyone has questions about the project I am
Randy Johnson
Apr 10, 2008, 9:46:48 AM4/10/08
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"I think Adobe need to get more support behind CF. Most my CF guys
moved over to ASP.net.. they just see the product becoming more and
more of a dead end."
Maybe if your developers weren't still using CF4 they would see that
moved over to ASP.net.. they just see the product becoming more and
more of a dead end."
Coldfusion is anything but becoming a dead end.
-Randy
On Apr 8, 8:50 pm, Rif <rif.kia...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Coldfusion for years have has to be able to sandbox the products so it
> can be used by ISP.. aka no access to network, local file system ect
> ect. How eles would you allow 10,000 people to share the same server
> with out cleaning each other.
>
> Dont have to have access to Java from development side, just the CFML
> that becomes java bytes.
>
> I think Adobe need to get more support behind CF. Most my CF guys
> moved over to ASP.net.. they just see the product becoming more and
> more of a dead end.
>
Rif
Apr 11, 2008, 5:35:45 AM4/11/08
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Well we have CF7, hoping to get the money to get 8 soon... biggest
problem with CF7 was working with .net applications
On Apr 10, 2:46 pm, Randy Johnson <rjohnso...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "I think Adobe need to get more support behind CF. Most my CF guys
> moved over to ASP.net.. they just see the product becoming more and
> more of a dead end."
>
> Maybe if your developers weren't still using CF4 they would see thatColdfusionis anything but becoming a dead end.
> >Coldfusionfor years have has to be able to sandbox the products so it
problem with CF7 was working with .net applications
On Apr 10, 2:46 pm, Randy Johnson <rjohnso...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "I think Adobe need to get more support behind CF. Most my CF guys
> moved over to ASP.net.. they just see the product becoming more and
> more of a dead end."
>
> >Coldfusionfor years have has to be able to sandbox the products so it
> > can be used by ISP.. aka no access to network, local file system ect
> > ect. How eles would you allow 10,000 people to share the same server
> > with out cleaning each other.
>
> > Dont have to have access to Java from development side, just the CFML
> > that becomes java bytes.
>
> > I think Adobe need to get more support behind CF. Most my CF guys
> > moved over to ASP.net.. they just see the product becoming more and
> > more of a dead end.
>
> > Plus their is an open source version of CF server out theirhttp://www.smithproject.org/
>
> >Coldfusionhas been a greate product to get non typical development
> > ect. How eles would you allow 10,000 people to share the same server
> > with out cleaning each other.
>
> > Dont have to have access to Java from development side, just the CFML
> > that becomes java bytes.
>
> > I think Adobe need to get more support behind CF. Most my CF guys
> > moved over to ASP.net.. they just see the product becoming more and
> > more of a dead end.
>
> > Plus their is an open source version of CF server out theirhttp://www.smithproject.org/
>
> > people into the world of building web applications. I know a lot of
> > people that where just into Flash or drawing that where easily able to
> > pickup CF.
>
> > koguma wrote:
> > > I can't believe you guys are actually thinking this will ever happen.
> > > Might as well wish for ASP.
>
> > > First of all,ColdFusionwill never ever happen. Because it's a
> > people that where just into Flash or drawing that where easily able to
> > pickup CF.
>
> > koguma wrote:
> > > I can't believe you guys are actually thinking this will ever happen.
> > > Might as well wish for ASP.
>
Vivekanandan M
Apr 11, 2008, 8:56:51 AM4/11/08
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Alex,
Think this way. AppEngine is targetted at developers market and Java is widely embraced by developers all around the world. And hence i would say it would be wise to support java if Google is working towards the developer market.
Vivek
Think this way. AppEngine is targetted at developers market and Java is widely embraced by developers all around the world. And hence i would say it would be wise to support java if Google is working towards the developer market.
Vivek
Brett Morgan
Apr 11, 2008, 7:15:42 PM4/11/08
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It is going to be interesting to see if and how google support java.
The java web application frameworks aren't exactly set up for
supporting cgi style invocation...
The java web application frameworks aren't exactly set up for
supporting cgi style invocation...
Adam Haskell
Apr 12, 2008, 3:04:04 PM4/12/08
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Please take these types of questions to the Open BlueDragon group. I do not want to flood the apps-engine group with this conversation. The long and short of it though is BlueDragon currently is fairly compatible with ColdFusion 7, since I am just on the Steering Committee I am not sure what's instore for the initial release. I'll find out the same day as you, May 3.
Adam Haskell
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