Please reconsider supporting Mac OS 12 Monterey for GC

[Hannes]

Dear all,

I'm an enthusiastic new user of Golden Cheetah since last September when I bought my trainer and started using GC. Now that I started to get a better understanding and thinking of writing a newbie tutorial (which would really help new users by the way) the latest GC snapshot crashes on start. Immediately I suspect Monterey support is getting dropped and, indeed, it is.

> When we release v3.8 Monterey will be 2 years out of support so I think we should put this to rest, last official release for Monterey will be v3.7.1 or technically v3.8-DEV2601.  

Please reconsider supporting Monterey.

I would bet any day that there are more GC users out there that run Monterey than people that benefit from new toy features of Python 3.11. I would even bet that there are 10-times or more Monterey users. And the recent GC builds introduced really good features.

There is a reason why apps like Zwift support even Mac OS 10.14, because a lot of people run old hardware with their trainers.

Especially Monterey is a key Mac OS version as a considerable amount of people run their Intel-Macs with OpenCoreLegacy Patcher and can run up to Monterey without any issues.

My colleagues at work are developers that always want to run the latest stuff and I respect that. I work professionally with Python and would not know not one essential Python feature that I would really depend on that was introduced after Python 3.7. And we do quite a bit of heavy lifting in Python.

Unfortunately GC is today a very niche and tiny user base software. I really think that this is totally undeserved and I promote GC whereever I can. As I already said, I wanted to write a tutorial so that first timers can more quickly find their way into GC.

I fully respect that developers of open source software do not necessarily need to mind simple user requirements and of course I know that I could just go ahead and branch GC. But in my 15+ years of linux experience that would be the worst of all solutions.

Easy handedly cutting down the user base just because a few single individuals want to have the version-du-jour of Python is depressing for me, at least.

Please reconsider at least investigating a way to keep Monterey support alive,

Thanks for reading, Hannes

[Doc Cha]

Hello,

I would vote the same way ;-) I started using GC, I can't even remember when, and I love it.  I use “old” Macs for my trainers, but the hardware is still very good and very powerful.

The new versions, features, etc. are great, but not if you have to change your hardware too often... in my humble opinion.

Thanks

Dominique

[Ale Martinez]

El martes, 3 de febrero de 2026 a la(s) 9:24:51 a.m. UTC-3, chad...@gmail.com escribió:

Hello,

I would vote the same way ;-) I started using GC, I can't even remember when, and I love it.  I use “old” Macs for my trainers, but the hardware is still very good and very powerful.

The new versions, features, etc. are great, but not if you have to change your hardware too often... in my humble opinion.

Hi Dominique, this is a pretty good argument against Apple software update polices, which reminds me of this meme ;)

More seriously, as user you have several options if you want to keep using GoldenCheetah on that hardware:

1. Keep using GoldenCheetah v.3.7.1 as you do with macOS Monterey if you don't mind about not receiving updates.
2. Build latest GoldenCheetah from source if you need some new feature for trainer, the basic process is explained in https://github.com/GoldenCheetah/GoldenCheetah/blob/master/INSTALL-MAC and since you wouldn't need Python/R or Cloud Services it is relatively straight forward.
3. Install a Linux distro on your Intel Mac and use the latest GoldenCheetah build for Linux so you have an updated ecosystem.

 Cheers, Ale.

[Mark Liversedge]

Running Linux on a Mac is the sustainable and sensible thing to do IMHO and is easier to do these days

* Apple deprecate hardware to sell more of it, that is not good for the environment.

* Apple MacOS is an opinionated O/S that impacts developers and users without consultation or recourse -- they are better taken out of that loop

* Apple MacOS Tahoe is a good advert for jumping off, not that this was likely intended

Mark

[Karl Billeter]

On Tue, Feb 03, 2026 at 08:40:12AM -0800, Mark Liversedge wrote:

> Running Linux on a Mac is the sustainable and sensible thing to do IMHO and is easier to do these days

I've played with this a little.

- old Macs are great, easy to install Linux on, and run snappily. Recommended
- later x86_64 Macs with T2 security chips are a little fussier and may have issues with suspend/resume, some touchbar stuff, etc. but still run pretty well.
- aarm64 Macs (Asahi linux) I haven't tried yet but hear they work ok

A virtual machine is another option of course but may be more of a performance hit than you want...

[Steve Edmonds]

The intel macs dual boot quite well with Linux so you don't have to giveaway your mac apps.
GC under Linux on a dual boot mac runs faster than on osx in my opinion also.
Steve 

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