GC trends PMC triscore chart

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Fa Bio

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Oct 8, 2016, 11:48:41 AM10/8/16
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Does it consider swim and run too? I don't think so in 3.4RC1, am i wrong?
Is it possible to make 4 pmc triscore chart,  one for swim, one for bike, one for run and one for all together?
If yes can someone point me in the right direction?
Thanks

Ale Martinez

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Oct 8, 2016, 5:00:40 PM10/8/16
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Yes, it does if you have Pace Zones defined for running and swimming valid for the date of your runs and swims.
You can have 4 separate PMCs or you can have 1 and filter for sport using the left sidebar or, better IMHO, you can download the following combined chart from the cloud (view->download chart while in Trends view):

Fa Bio

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Oct 8, 2016, 7:44:43 PM10/8/16
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Thanks Ale, left sidebar did not show me filters by default and i did not find them before your post, having higher triscore values for bike i get it wrong.
I downloaded the combined chart and this raised me a "problem" (which i have with standard PCM triscore too).
I have done my first training with a powermeter on 2 october so i restarted from scratch logging workouts from that date.
It seems to me that first workout is not considered in PMC, see pmc.png .
So i thought "maybe i did not have correctly set my CP on 2 october" but this does not seems the case, see CP.png.
Do you think that this should be investigated? If required i can restart from scratch with GC, i have only 2 manually inserted workout.
Thanks a lot, you are very kind.


pmc.png
CP.png

Ale Martinez

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Oct 8, 2016, 9:07:59 PM10/8/16
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El sábado, 8 de octubre de 2016, 20:44:43 (UTC-3), Fa Bio escribió:
I have done my first training with a powermeter on 2 october so i restarted from scratch logging workouts from that date.
It seems to me that first workout is not considered in PMC, see pmc.png .
So i thought "maybe i did not have correctly set my CP on 2 october" but this does not seems the case, see CP.png.
You can see which CP/CV is set for any activity in the activity summary at the top of Time in Power/Pace Zones table, if there is no such table is because that activity doesn't have a valid CP/CV.

I see you have your system configured for 2 digits year, regrettably this is a no go with GC, I suggest to change your system year format to long format (4 digits), restart GC and check your Power/Pace zones start dates again.

Fa Bio

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Oct 9, 2016, 2:19:35 AM10/9/16
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Il giorno domenica 9 ottobre 2016 03:07:59 UTC+2, Ale Martinez ha scritto:
El sábado, 8 de octubre de 2016, 20:44:43 (UTC-3), Fa Bio escribió:
I have done my first training with a powermeter on 2 october so i restarted from scratch logging workouts from that date.
It seems to me that first workout is not considered in PMC, see pmc.png .
So i thought "maybe i did not have correctly set my CP on 2 october" but this does not seems the case, see CP.png.
You can see which CP/CV is set for any activity in the activity summary at the top of Time in Power/Pace Zones table, if there is no such table is because that activity doesn't have a valid CP/CV.


I thought you cannot have a bikescore without CP, i checked and it seems that CP was right, see 20161002bike.png .

 
I see you have your system configured for 2 digits year, regrettably this is a no go with GC, I suggest to change your system year format to long format (4 digits), restart GC and check your Power/Pace zones start dates again.

I don't understand exactly what you mean, the only windows where i get two digit years are in GC-tools-options-athlete so i thought it was GC and not my Linux Mint 18 (Ubuntu 16.04).
I enclose a terminal screenshot with some date related commands, seems ok to me.
Thank you.
20161002bike.png
date.png

Fa Bio

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Oct 9, 2016, 2:47:32 AM10/9/16
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PS i tried booting windows and i have four digits years in athletes tabs too, is it Ubuntu related or something in Linux build?

Ale Martinez

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Oct 9, 2016, 8:14:33 AM10/9/16
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El domingo, 9 de octubre de 2016, 3:19:35 (UTC-3), Fa Bio escribió:
Il giorno domenica 9 ottobre 2016 03:07:59 UTC+2, Ale Martinez ha scritto:
El sábado, 8 de octubre de 2016, 20:44:43 (UTC-3), Fa Bio escribió:
I have done my first training with a powermeter on 2 october so i restarted from scratch logging workouts from that date.
It seems to me that first workout is not considered in PMC, see pmc.png .
So i thought "maybe i did not have correctly set my CP on 2 october" but this does not seems the case, see CP.png.
You can see which CP/CV is set for any activity in the activity summary at the top of Time in Power/Pace Zones table, if there is no such table is because that activity doesn't have a valid CP/CV.


I thought you cannot have a bikescore without CP, i checked and it seems that CP was right, see 20161002bike.png .
Yes, it is, see TriScore 150 on Metrics column

 
I see you have your system configured for 2 digits year, regrettably this is a no go with GC, I suggest to change your system year format to long format (4 digits), restart GC and check your Power/Pace zones start dates again.

I don't understand exactly what you mean, the only windows where i get two digit years are in GC-tools-options-athlete so i thought it was GC and not my Linux Mint 18 (Ubuntu 16.04).
I enclose a terminal screenshot with some date related commands, seems ok to me.
Thank you.
 On Ubuntu 16.04 date format is configured in System Settings->Language Support->Regional Formats

Fa Bio

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Oct 9, 2016, 9:18:15 AM10/9/16
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Il giorno domenica 9 ottobre 2016 14:14:33 UTC+2, Ale Martinez ha scritto:
El domingo, 9 de octubre de 2016, 3:19:35 (UTC-3), Fa Bio escribió:
Il giorno domenica 9 ottobre 2016 03:07:59 UTC+2, Ale Martinez ha scritto:
El sábado, 8 de octubre de 2016, 20:44:43 (UTC-3), Fa Bio escribió:
I have done my first training with a powermeter on 2 october so i restarted from scratch logging workouts from that date.
It seems to me that first workout is not considered in PMC, see pmc.png .
So i thought "maybe i did not have correctly set my CP on 2 october" but this does not seems the case, see CP.png.
You can see which CP/CV is set for any activity in the activity summary at the top of Time in Power/Pace Zones table, if there is no such table is because that activity doesn't have a valid CP/CV.


I thought you cannot have a bikescore without CP, i checked and it seems that CP was right, see 20161002bike.png .
Yes, it is, see TriScore 150 on Metrics column

So the question is: is it right that PCM chart ignore that 150 Triscore?
 

 
I see you have your system configured for 2 digits year, regrettably this is a no go with GC, I suggest to change your system year format to long format (4 digits), restart GC and check your Power/Pace zones start dates again.

I don't understand exactly what you mean, the only windows where i get two digit years are in GC-tools-options-athlete so i thought it was GC and not my Linux Mint 18 (Ubuntu 16.04).
I enclose a terminal screenshot with some date related commands, seems ok to me.
Thank you.
 On Ubuntu 16.04 date format is configured in System Settings->Language Support->Regional Formats

I have Mate desktop, just to check that it was not a desktop issue i installed KDE too,
Mate show me just the installed locales, while kde show me regional date options too - see enclosed png. It turns out that it_IT locale has a long format with four digits and a short format with two digit. I changed my locale, only for date and time, to ga_IE which seems to have four digit for the year in short format too and voilà, i have athlete tabs with four digits.
So, would it be possible to make GC read date from long format so it get the four digits he wants? it_IT is not the only locale which have two digits for short date formate, spanish and other have two digits.
I could somehow hack my locale to have four digits in short format too but i think that this cannot be asked to all linux users  whit two digit short format date, do you agree?
Thanks a lot

matelocale.png
kdeshort4digits.png
kdeshort2digits.png
gcoptionsfourdigit.png

Ale Martinez

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Oct 9, 2016, 3:14:33 PM10/9/16
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Not really but, anyway another related question is if any developer is willing to dedicate his time to avoid this usability problem, and the answer seems to be negative for now (see https://github.com/GoldenCheetah/GoldenCheetah/issues/2123), until this change those concerned about the issue could help documenting it and explaining how to avoid it in the wiki, which is open for contributions from the community of users.

Fa Bio

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Oct 9, 2016, 3:50:18 PM10/9/16
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Il giorno domenica 9 ottobre 2016 21:14:33 UTC+2, Ale Martinez ha scritto:
El domingo, 9 de octubre de 2016, 10:18:15 (UTC-3), Fa Bio escribió:
Il giorno domenica 9 ottobre 2016 14:14:33 UTC+2, Ale Martinez ha scritto:
El domingo, 9 de octubre de 2016, 3:19:35 (UTC-3), Fa Bio escribió:
Il giorno domenica 9 ottobre 2016 03:07:59 UTC+2, Ale Martinez ha scritto:
El sábado, 8 de octubre de 2016, 20:44:43 (UTC-3), Fa Bio escribió:
I have done my first training with a powermeter on 2 october so i restarted from scratch logging workouts from that date.
It seems to me that first workout is not considered in PMC, see pmc.png .
So i thought "maybe i did not have correctly set my CP on 2 october" but this does not seems the case, see CP.png.
You can see which CP/CV is set for any activity in the activity summary at the top of Time in Power/Pace Zones table, if there is no such table is because that activity doesn't have a valid CP/CV.


I thought you cannot have a bikescore without CP, i checked and it seems that CP was right, see 20161002bike.png .
Yes, it is, see TriScore 150 on Metrics column

So the question is: is it right that PCM chart ignore that 150 Triscore?
 
I still don't understand why this happens and if it's ok
 

 
I see you have your system configured for 2 digits year, regrettably this is a no go with GC, I suggest to change your system year format to long format (4 digits), restart GC and check your Power/Pace zones start dates again.

I don't understand exactly what you mean, the only windows where i get two digit years are in GC-tools-options-athlete so i thought it was GC and not my Linux Mint 18 (Ubuntu 16.04).
I enclose a terminal screenshot with some date related commands, seems ok to me.
Thank you.
 On Ubuntu 16.04 date format is configured in System Settings->Language Support->Regional Formats

I have Mate desktop, just to check that it was not a desktop issue i installed KDE too,
Mate show me just the installed locales, while kde show me regional date options too - see enclosed png. It turns out that it_IT locale has a long format with four digits and a short format with two digit. I changed my locale, only for date and time, to ga_IE which seems to have four digit for the year in short format too and voilà, i have athlete tabs with four digits.
So, would it be possible to make GC read date from long format so it get the four digits he wants? it_IT is not the only locale which have two digits for short date formate, spanish and other have two digits.
I could somehow hack my locale to have four digits in short format too but i think that this cannot be asked to all linux users  whit two digit short format date, do you agree?
Not really but, anyway another related question is if any developer is willing to dedicate his time to avoid this usability problem, and the answer seems to be negative for now (see https://github.com/GoldenCheetah/GoldenCheetah/issues/2123), until this change those concerned about the issue could help documenting it and explaining how to avoid it in the wiki, which is open for contributions from the community of users.

Well, i just need to learn the day of the week in Irish :-)
Thanks again for your time

Ale Martinez

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Oct 9, 2016, 7:14:29 PM10/9/16
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El domingo, 9 de octubre de 2016, 16:50:18 (UTC-3), Fa Bio escribió:
Il giorno domenica 9 ottobre 2016 21:14:33 UTC+2, Ale Martinez ha scritto:
El domingo, 9 de octubre de 2016, 10:18:15 (UTC-3), Fa Bio escribió:
Il giorno domenica 9 ottobre 2016 14:14:33 UTC+2, Ale Martinez ha scritto:
El domingo, 9 de octubre de 2016, 3:19:35 (UTC-3), Fa Bio escribió:
Il giorno domenica 9 ottobre 2016 03:07:59 UTC+2, Ale Martinez ha scritto:
El sábado, 8 de octubre de 2016, 20:44:43 (UTC-3), Fa Bio escribió:
I have done my first training with a powermeter on 2 october so i restarted from scratch logging workouts from that date.
It seems to me that first workout is not considered in PMC, see pmc.png .
So i thought "maybe i did not have correctly set my CP on 2 october" but this does not seems the case, see CP.png.
You can see which CP/CV is set for any activity in the activity summary at the top of Time in Power/Pace Zones table, if there is no such table is because that activity doesn't have a valid CP/CV.


I thought you cannot have a bikescore without CP, i checked and it seems that CP was right, see 20161002bike.png .
Yes, it is, see TriScore 150 on Metrics column

So the question is: is it right that PCM chart ignore that 150 Triscore?
 
I still don't understand why this happens and if it's ok
Neither am I and it is not Ok but I can't reproduce it. I would try a full cache refresh: close GC, wipe athlete's cache folder content, restart GC.
 

 
I see you have your system configured for 2 digits year, regrettably this is a no go with GC, I suggest to change your system year format to long format (4 digits), restart GC and check your Power/Pace zones start dates again.

I don't understand exactly what you mean, the only windows where i get two digit years are in GC-tools-options-athlete so i thought it was GC and not my Linux Mint 18 (Ubuntu 16.04).
I enclose a terminal screenshot with some date related commands, seems ok to me.
Thank you.
 On Ubuntu 16.04 date format is configured in System Settings->Language Support->Regional Formats

I have Mate desktop, just to check that it was not a desktop issue i installed KDE too,
Mate show me just the installed locales, while kde show me regional date options too - see enclosed png. It turns out that it_IT locale has a long format with four digits and a short format with two digit. I changed my locale, only for date and time, to ga_IE which seems to have four digit for the year in short format too and voilà, i have athlete tabs with four digits.
So, would it be possible to make GC read date from long format so it get the four digits he wants? it_IT is not the only locale which have two digits for short date formate, spanish and other have two digits.
I could somehow hack my locale to have four digits in short format too but i think that this cannot be asked to all linux users  whit two digit short format date, do you agree?
Not really but, anyway another related question is if any developer is willing to dedicate his time to avoid this usability problem, and the answer seems to be negative for now (see https://github.com/GoldenCheetah/GoldenCheetah/issues/2123), until this change those concerned about the issue could help documenting it and explaining how to avoid it in the wiki, which is open for contributions from the community of users.

Well, i just need to learn the day of the week in Irish :-)
GFY :-)

Fa Bio

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Il giorno lunedì 10 ottobre 2016 01:14:29 UTC+2, Ale Martinez ha scritto:
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Neither am I and it is not Ok but I can't reproduce it. I would try a full cache refresh: close GC, wipe athlete's cache folder content, restart GC....
...
I restarted from scratch removing everything GC related i found (~/.goldencheetah and ~/.config/goldencheetah.org) and i can reproduce everytime, even starting from scratch with ga_IE locale only for date settings ( export LC_TIME="ga_IE.UTF-8" in a terminal then launchin GC from there) so if you want i could send you my fits files to try in a new athlete.

Does tools-options-athlete-measures-PMC stress today balance affect PMC chart?

Is your OS Windows or Linux?

I'll put up a Windows 7 virtual machine to test if this problem is linux related too.

Ale Martinez

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Oct 10, 2016, 1:46:49 PM10/10/16
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El lunes, 10 de octubre de 2016, 1:24:19 (UTC-3), Fa Bio escribió:


Il giorno lunedì 10 ottobre 2016 01:14:29 UTC+2, Ale Martinez ha scritto:
...
Neither am I and it is not Ok but I can't reproduce it. I would try a full cache refresh: close GC, wipe athlete's cache folder content, restart GC....
...
I restarted from scratch removing everything GC related i found (~/.goldencheetah and ~/.config/goldencheetah.org) and i can reproduce everytime, even starting from scratch with ga_IE locale only for date settings ( export LC_TIME="ga_IE.UTF-8" in a terminal then launchin GC from there) so if you want i could send you my fits files to try in a new athlete.

Does tools-options-athlete-measures-PMC stress today balance affect PMC chart?
Only WRT to TSB 

Is your OS Windows or Linux?
Linux 

I'll put up a Windows 7 virtual machine to test if this problem is linux related too.
I've never seen something like this reported, on any platform...
Does the problem happen also selecting other Date Ranges and/or other PMC charts?

Fa Bio

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Il giorno lunedì 10 ottobre 2016 19:46:49 UTC+2, Ale Martinez ha scritto:
El lunes, 10 de octubre de 2016, 1:24:19 (UTC-3), Fa Bio escribió:


Il giorno lunedì 10 ottobre 2016 01:14:29 UTC+2, Ale Martinez ha scritto:
...
Neither am I and it is not Ok but I can't reproduce it. I would try a full cache refresh: close GC, wipe athlete's cache folder content, restart GC....
...
I restarted from scratch removing everything GC related i found (~/.goldencheetah and ~/.config/goldencheetah.org) and i can reproduce everytime, even starting from scratch with ga_IE locale only for date settings ( export LC_TIME="ga_IE.UTF-8" in a terminal then launchin GC from there) so if you want i could send you my fits files to try in a new athlete.

Does tools-options-athlete-measures-PMC stress today balance affect PMC chart?
Only WRT to TSB 

I need to investigate what WRT is


Is your OS Windows or Linux?
Linux 

Which distro and locale? Don't you have two digits year trouble?
 
I'll put up a Windows 7 virtual machine to test if this problem is linux related too.
I've never seen something like this reported, on any platform...
Does the problem happen also selecting other Date Ranges and/or other PMC charts?

Same in windows 7. In PMC Coggan and Skiba (which I think are only about bike) I see first point different from 0 on 5 october when i rode, in PMC triscore and trimp on 4, when I did run (with cardio) and swim.
Setting date for start and end of chart (in Windows, probably linux take 16 for 1916 and show me nothing) does not change anything.
It's like first ride on 2 october did not exist. I would think that there is something wrong with the first fit file, but Raceday Apollo consider it in its chart.
Well, i delete it and forget about it, i'm more concerned about my locale issue.
Thanks as usual.

Claus Assmann

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Oct 10, 2016, 2:39:57 PM10/10/16
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On Mon, Oct 10, 2016, Fa Bio wrote:

> Il giorno lunedì 10 ottobre 2016 19:46:49 UTC+2, Ale Martinez ha scritto:

> > Only WRT to TSB

> I need to investigate what WRT is

Probably "with respect to" (which means there's one "to" too much :-)

[Please do NOT Cc' me, thanks.]

Fa Bio

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Oct 11, 2016, 12:03:16 PM10/11/16
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Manually inserting a fake bike workout on 01/10/16 with bikescore 1 makes ctl atl tsb and rr calculated for my first training on 02/10/2016, and PMC triscore graph consider it (and not the fake one).
If you check 5th post images you can see that these values where 0 before. I think that these values are not calculated for first workout.
So if you want to try to reproduce it (if you think it's worthwhile, i'm ok with it) i think you could try to add a new athlete, import there some of yours rides and check pmc triscore graph.

About locales trouble under linux, could it be related to this bug:
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=340982
?

It does not seems to affect english based locales.


Ale Martinez

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Oct 11, 2016, 1:18:17 PM10/11/16
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Good finding, now I can reproduce it!
The first activity for the athlete seems to be ignored by the PMC calculator and this behavior seems to be independent of the base metric (TriScore, TSS, etc) and the chart and date range used.


About locales trouble under linux, could it be related to this bug:
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=340982
?

It does not seems to affect english based locales.
 It seems so, I'm on Ubuntu 16.04 with LC_TIME=en_GB.UTF-8 and it works Ok.

Ale Martinez

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El martes, 11 de octubre de 2016, 14:18:17 (UTC-3), Ale Martinez escribió:
El martes, 11 de octubre de 2016, 13:03:16 (UTC-3), Fa Bio escribió:


Il giorno lunedì 10 ottobre 2016 19:46:49 UTC+2, Ale Martinez ha scritto:
El lunes, 10 de octubre de 2016, 1:24:19 (UTC-3), Fa Bio escribió:


Il giorno lunedì 10 ottobre 2016 01:14:29 UTC+2, Ale Martinez ha scritto:
...
Neither am I and it is not Ok but I can't reproduce it. I would try a full cache refresh: close GC, wipe athlete's cache folder content, restart GC....
...
I restarted from scratch removing everything GC related i found (~/.goldencheetah and ~/.config/goldencheetah.org) and i can reproduce everytime, even starting from scratch with ga_IE locale only for date settings ( export LC_TIME="ga_IE.UTF-8" in a terminal then launchin GC from there) so if you want i could send you my fits files to try in a new athlete.

Does tools-options-athlete-measures-PMC stress today balance affect PMC chart?
Only WRT to TSB 

Is your OS Windows or Linux?
Linux 

I'll put up a Windows 7 virtual machine to test if this problem is linux related too.
I've never seen something like this reported, on any platform...
Does the problem happen also selecting other Date Ranges and/or other PMC charts?

Manually inserting a fake bike workout on 01/10/16 with bikescore 1 makes ctl atl tsb and rr calculated for my first training on 02/10/2016, and PMC triscore graph consider it (and not the fake one).
If you check 5th post images you can see that these values where 0 before. I think that these values are not calculated for first workout.
So if you want to try to reproduce it (if you think it's worthwhile, i'm ok with it) i think you could try to add a new athlete, import there some of yours rides and check pmc triscore graph.
Good finding, now I can reproduce it!
The first activity for the athlete seems to be ignored by the PMC calculator and this behavior seems to be independent of the base metric (TriScore, TSS, etc) and the chart and date range used.

The problem happens when the first ride predates the first season and its date is taken as starting date with CTL&ATL zero, taking the previous date as starting date in that case solves the problem, lets see if the patch if accepted: https://github.com/GoldenCheetah/GoldenCheetah/issues/2135

Fa Bio

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Nov 6, 2016, 11:02:30 AM11/6/16
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Hi Ale, i modified your PMC triscore chart to show Swimscore, Bikescore and GOVSS in colored bars instead of a single black triscore bar, see enclosed png.
I like the opportunity to have a feedback about what sport i trained before to click on the azure label which pops up when i'm near the top of a bar.
My question is: the azure label always shows run triscore now, even if when it's on top of a bike bar like in png, how do i fix it?
Thanks.
Fabio
pmctriscore.png

Ale Martinez

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Nov 6, 2016, 1:03:56 PM11/6/16
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I am not sure I understand your question but a click instead of just hovering will show a popup with more details

Fa Bio

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Nov 6, 2016, 1:17:42 PM11/6/16
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Yes the click works well, i would like popup to show me bikescore while on green bars (bike) swimscore while on light blue bars (swim) and GOVSS while on red bars (run).
It shows me always run triscore, i don't know how to change it.
If it's not trivial don't worry about that, i'll click it.
Sorry about my english and thank you very much.

Ale Martinez

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Nov 6, 2016, 2:52:43 PM11/6/16
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El domingo, 6 de noviembre de 2016, 15:17:42 (UTC-3), Fa Bio escribió:
Yes the click works well, i would like popup to show me bikescore while on green bars (bike) swimscore while on light blue bars (swim) and GOVSS while on red bars (run).
It shows me always run triscore, i don't know how to change it.
I think in this case there is a run TriScore series with zero value stacked on top and this is what the ToolTip is showing, the problem in this case is there is no way to see the ToolTip for the series stacked under it. 

Fa Bio

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Nov 7, 2016, 1:39:59 AM11/7/16
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Thanks

Fa Bio

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Nov 15, 2016, 4:37:55 AM11/15/16
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It's not a big problem but when i filter using "filters" sports i cannot reset the filter as when i filter using "sports" sports (different tabs on the left side).

Mark Liversedge

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Nov 15, 2016, 4:48:26 AM11/15/16
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Clicking in the sidebar toggles a filter, so click it again to remove it.

Fa Bio

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Nov 15, 2016, 5:18:17 AM11/15/16
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It works if i click "sports" sport but not if i click "filters" sport, in "filters" sport i can change sport but not disable a filter clicking again on it. If i click a "filters" sport i need to restart to remove filter. Thanks

Valvero

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How can I show the current CTL value on the PMC chart, for example? In the settings I only get to see the maximum or minimum values.

Ale Martinez (Please don't email or cc me)

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Jul 12, 2020, 7:24:04 AM7/12/20
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Hovering the cursor over a curve shows the value at that point, if you want to see all values simultaneously, check Data labels in https://github.com/GoldenCheetah/GoldenCheetah/wiki/UG_ChartTypes_Trends#curve-settings
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