Escola Medica

[JOHN DE FIGUEIREDO]

     Dr. Cristiana Bastos is the author of a series of publications about “Escola Médico-Cirúrgica de Goa”. I had indicated on this forum that I have concerns about some of her statements and conclusions. I will describe these concerns in a series of posts. These posts, with the title “Notes on the history of Escola Médico-Cirúrgica de Goa”, will be published here as attachments for the following reason: When I joined this forum, the founder, Dr. Teotónio de Souza, had indicated to me that I should keep my posts short. I had intended to write to Dr. Bastos privately about my concerns in which case the description of my concerns would have been short, but now that this is in the public arena, some background information on these issues is also needed.  By necessity, therefore, my posts are a bit long. Also, by publishing as attachments, those readers who are not interested in this topic may simply delete the attachments and move on.

     Please note that I only debate with people I respect. This being said, I like to think of this exchange of ideas, not as a debate, but as a conversation about a topic of mutual interest with someone for whom I have respect and admiration even though I disagree with some of her conclusions.

     Also please note that:

     (a) The attached notes are copyrighted. All rights reserved. No part of this series of posts may be copied, reproduced or transmitted by mechanical, electronic or any other means without my prior permission.

     (b) The opinions expressed on the attached notes are my own and should not be construed as endorsed by Yale University where I teach or any other organization to which I belong.

     (c) Dr. João Manuel Pacheco de Figueiredo, the last Director of “Escola Médico-Cirúrgica de Goa” was my father. Therefore I will not discuss his life, work, and contributions.

Attached: Introduction

John M. de Figueiredo

[Luis Dias]

I knew your parents well in their dotage, would meet them regularly at Portuguese mass in Don Bosco as a schoolboy. Good memories, especially of your mum.

I was intern at GMC doing my surgery posting when your dad was admitted with his final illness.

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Wonderful memories indeed! 

John

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[Carvalho]

Thank you, John, this is very informative.

All best wishes,

Selma

[Frederick Noronha]

Dear Prof John M. de Figueiredo,

When this forum was first set up, in 1997, there were concerns about size of posts, attachments, etc.  Today, as the access to the Net has improved in most parts, this is largely not a concern any more. Perhaps the late Dr Teo requested shorter posts for this reason then. 

Feel free to post your arguments, even in a single post... even if longer ... Googlegroups allows for messages of upto 25MB to be sent through this network. Those interested in the subject will read it, at whatever length. Also, it could help to take the issue forward faster, and GRNers would get a quicker chance to understand which issues raised by Dr Cristiana Bastos you have concerns about  "particularly because at times, they are not supported by data and, at other times, they are to be contradicted by the data."

Re. the article being copyrighted, may I point out that the Goa Research Net is publicly archived on GoogleGroups. Just as a step of precaution, kindly also mark the attachments as copyrighted, so if anyone reads that separate from your posts, they could be aware of the same.

Regards,

Frederick

For GRN.

[John de Figueiredo]

Dear Frederick,

Thank you for your suggestions. In order to understand the issues not supported by data or contradicted by data in this highly specialized area, the average reader would have to read the entire series of posts, not just bits or pieces.

Also, I prefer to send the posts as attachments not to overwhelm my computer. Hope this is OK.

I will follow your suggestion about the copyright statement.

With best regards,

Sincerely,

John

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[JOHN DE FIGUEIREDO]

Attached please find the following documents: 

Introduction: being sent again after correction of a few typographical errors

The Scope of Dr. Bastos' Research

Joh M. de Figueiredo

[JOHN DE FIGUEIREDO]

Attached please find the following post:

Notes on the History or "Escola Medico-Cirurgica de Goa": 2. Ideological framework

Titles of previous posts:

Introduction

The scope of Dr. Bastos' research

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The opinions expressed on the attached notes are my own and should not be construed as endorsed by Yale University where I teach or any other organization to which I belong,

John M. de Figueiredo

[JOHN DE FIGUEIREDO]

[V M]

This is super-interesting, and I'm grateful to Dr. Figueiredo for undertaking this exercise - probably he's the only one who could do it - because it's certainly extremely useful to track, monitor and continually test even the most well-meaning and state-of-the-art modern historiography for its blind spots.

No one can say whether we're going to perceive some kind of middle ground to accommodate both Dr. Figueiredo's assertions and how we are currently enjoined to understand the colonial period. But even at  first glance, it seems likely this discussion will again return to the fundamental paradox of Goa's colonial history, which underlines so.much of our culture and is also the fulcrum of Angela Barretto Xavier's stellar 2022 'Religion & Empire in Portuguese India' - the best history book of the Goans. That is: at some point, significant numbers of significant Goans stopped seeing themselves as colonials, or inferiors in any way to the Europeans, and they built their new Goan culture predicated on that knowledge and understanding.

How that happened, we can't yet be very clear. But it did happen, and the phenomenon was real, which complicates our history - and the related historiography - in ways that have not been addressed satisfactorily yet.

VM

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[Carvalho]

Dear John,

Thank you very much for essay and indeed your unique perspective. Now, there is something I need to clarify, which has just clicked into place for me. 

My question is, did all the doctors who graduated from Escola Medica automatically become part of the military corps and did they all bear the designation of 'military surgeon.' At Grant, for instance, most went into civilian practice, and those absorbed by the military were given the title of assistant-surgeon and an additional military rank. There was also the title of sub-assistant surgeon who were taken mostly from the apothecary department, but if they set up private practice, they could practice as doctors.

Would appreciate you input. The Goan doctors that went to British East Africa were from both Grant and Escola, but I realise now with your input their titles upon graduation were different in both cases.

Warmly,

Selma

[John de Figueiredo]

Dear Selma,

The answer is “No”. Some went into the military; others did not. I mentioned 3 who did not in the latest post. Hope this helps.

Warm regards,

John

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[Carvalho]

OK many thanks,

Selma

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[JOHN DE FIGUEIREDO]

Attached please find the following:

Notes on the History of “Escola Medico-Cirúrgica de Goa”:

3. Empire vs. Nation, Subjects vs. Citizens

[Tino de Sa]

Thank you so much, Mr Figueireido, for these very interesting documents.

Tino de Sa

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[John de Figueiredo]

Thank you, those are good points 

There is more to come!

Best regards,

John

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[John de Figueiredo]

Glad you liked them.

There is more to come.

Best regards,

John

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