Re: [GOABOOKCLUB] Re: Poets in Goa... a query

[Teotonio R. de Souza]

If FM N refers to Antonio Mascarenhas who worked at the Lisbon National Radio in the late 50s, and later returned to Goa (Dabolim), he published a couple of booklets in English, such as Essays for Diplomats on the Case of Goa, and A Critique of Sir S. Radhakrishnan's Basis for Human Fellowship. None of the publications show the date, but indicate that they were Edições Paulistas (Lumiar, Lisboa). He edited with his introduction Poesias do Povo Goês (Portuguese translations in verse of Goan folk songs) by Dra Maria da Paz Cabrita de Barros Santos and Jesuíno de Noronha. These were recited at the Emissora Nacional (last Tuesdays of every month) and Radio Universidade, in Lisbon ( on alternate Fridays). Please find attached images of the book title and the translation of the folk song Ami Bicari. 

AM's wife, Mira, had registered for Ph.D. in History under my guidance in 1987, but she died a year later of a galloping cancer. She left some excellent contribution to the Church History series of CHAI.

TRS

On 17 July 2015 at 01:01, FM N <fatimam...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear FN,
At the start of this thread it was not clear if buried poets were
included. Antonio Mascarenhas (1916-1993) could be added. He did write
poetry (Gerard Manley Hopkins was a great influence) but often on
little slips of paper which were never collated. Before his centenary,
I am trying to extract a few bits and pieces from the clutches of
untidy descendants.

FMN

On 16/07/2015, Frederick FN Noronha *  फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या * فريدريك
نورونيا <frederic...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Please could someone help to improve this page? What it needs is (1) an
> introductory note to poets of Goa, languages they write in, history of
> poetry, etc (2) corrections of misspellings or mis-classification of poets
> (3) any further information and links that could help to add value and make
> this a more meaningful resource.
>
> Thanks in advance, FN
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poets_in_(and_from)_Goa
>
> Poets in (and from) Goa
> From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
>
> Goa <http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Goa>, currently India's smallest state on
> the west coast, has the following individuals listed among its poets:
> Contents  [hide <http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Poets_in_(and_from)_Goa#>]
>
>    - 1 Konkani (Devanagari)
>
> <http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Poets_in_(and_from)_Goa#Konkani_.28Devanagari.29>
>    - 2 Konkani (Roman script)
>
> <http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Poets_in_(and_from)_Goa#Konkani_.28Roman_script.29>
>    - 3 English <http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Poets_in_(and_from)_Goa#English>
>    - 4 Marathi <http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Poets_in_(and_from)_Goa#Marathi>
>    - 5 Portuguese
>    <http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Poets_in_(and_from)_Goa#Portuguese>
>    - 6 Kannada <http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Poets_in_(and_from)_Goa#Kannada>
>    - 7 External links
>    <http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Poets_in_(and_from)_Goa#External_links>
>    - 8 References
>    <http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Poets_in_(and_from)_Goa#References>
>
> Konkani (Devanagari)[edit source
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poets_in_(and_from)_Goa&action=edit&section=1>
>  | edit
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poets_in_(and_from)_Goa&veaction=edit&vesection=1>
> ]
>
>    - Bakibab Borkar
> <http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Balakrishna_Bhagwant_Borkar>
>    - RV Pandit <http://www.wikiwand.com/en/R._V._Pandit>
>    - Uday Bhembre <http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Uday_Bhembre> [1]
>    <http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Poets_in_(and_from)_Goa#cite_note-1>
>    - Veni Madhav Borkar
>    - Naguesh Karmali
>    - Ramesh Veluskar[2]
>    <http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Poets_in_(and_from)_Goa#cite_note-2>
>    - Jess Fernandes
>    - Arun Sakhardande
>    - Shashikant Punaji[3]
>    <http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Poets_in_(and_from)_Goa#cite_note-3>[4]
>    <http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Poets_in_(and_from)_Goa#cite_note-4>
>    - Ashok Bhosle
>    - Bharat Naik
>    - Yusuf A. Shaikh
>    - Hanumant Chopdekar
>    - Sanjiv Verekar
>    - Nutan Sakhardande
>    - Nayana Adarkar
>    - Maya Kharangate
>    - Nilba Khandekar
>    - Uday Mahambre
>    - Prof. Rajay Pawar
>    - Prakash D. Naik
>    - John Aguiar
>    - Sunil Palkar
>    - Rupa Kosambe
>    - Shakuntale Bharne
>    - Dr Dayanand Rao
>    - Vivek Pissurlekar
>    - Shoba Fulkar
>    - Milan Vaigankar
>    - Ramesh Ghadi
>    - Karn Khandparkar
>    - Prakash Parienkar
>    - Prakash Vazrikar
>    - Tejashre Prabhugaonkar
>    - Sufala Gaitonde
>    - Jai Naik
>    - Chandrika Padgaonkar
>    - Sneha Pednekar
>    - Aparna Garudi
>    - Sonia Shah
>    - Baban Bhagat
>    - Tukaram Shet
>    - Anwesha Singbal
>    - Shital Salgaonkar
>    - Santoshi Kolhe
>    - Sneha Nayak
>    - Ashok Shilkar
>
> Konkani (Roman script)[edit source
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poets_in_(and_from)_Goa&action=edit&section=2>
>  | edit
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poets_in_(and_from)_Goa&veaction=edit&vesection=2>
> ]
>
>    - Dr Bhicaji Ghanekar
>    - Walter Menezes [5]
>    <http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Poets_in_(and_from)_Goa#cite_note-5>
>    - Soter Barreto
>    - Pio Fernandes
>    - Adrian Fernandes
>    - Delur Sunami
>    - Marcos Gonsalves
>    - Guadalupe Dias
>    - Cyrilo D. Fernandes
>    - Pio Esteves
>    - Anthony Vaz
>    - Manuel Fernandes
>
> English[edit source
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poets_in_(and_from)_Goa&action=edit&section=3>
>  | edit
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poets_in_(and_from)_Goa&veaction=edit&vesection=3>
> ]
>
>    - Joseph Furtado
>    - Dom Moraes
>    - Armand Menezes
>    - Manuel Rodrigues
>    - Philip Furtado
>    - Eunice De Souza
>    - Melanie Silgardo
>    - Jerry Pinto <http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Jerry_Pinto>
>    - Maria Aurora Couto <http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Maria_Aurora_Couto>
>    - Manohar Shetty
>    - Brian Mendonca
>    - Margaret Mascarenhas
>    - Antonio Gomes[6]
>    <http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Poets_in_(and_from)_Goa#cite_note-6>
>    - Mario Coelho
>    - José Lourenço
>    - Frederika Menezes
>    - Francis Rodrigues
>    - Tanya Mendonca
>    - Charmayne D'Souza
>    - Nida Sayed
>    - Rochelle Potkar
>    - Ethel Da Costa
>    - Albertina Almeida
>    - Mary Mendes
>    - Abhay Sardesai
>    - Christal Ferrao
>
> Marathi[edit source
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poets_in_(and_from)_Goa&action=edit&section=4>
>  | edit
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poets_in_(and_from)_Goa&veaction=edit&vesection=4>
> ]
>
>    - Vishnu Wagh
>    - Gajanan Raikar, Margao
>    - Sudesh Nagvenkar, Vasco
>    - Radha Bhave, Panjim
>    - Leena Pednekar, Panjim
>    - Ashok Borkar, Margao
>    - Kavita Borkar, Margao
>    - Ramesh Vanskar, Bori,
>
> Portuguese[edit source
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poets_in_(and_from)_Goa&action=edit&section=5>
>  | edit
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poets_in_(and_from)_Goa&veaction=edit&vesection=5>
> ]
>
>    - Nascimento Mendonça (1884–1927) [7]
>    <http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Poets_in_(and_from)_Goa#cite_note-7>[8]
>    <http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Poets_in_(and_from)_Goa#cite_note-8>
>    - Orlando da Costa <http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Orlando_da_Costa>
>    - Paulino Dias (1874–1919)
>    - Adeodato Barreto (1905-1937)
>    <http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Adeodato_Barreto>
>    - Floriano Barreto (1877–1905)
>    - Ananta Rau Sar Dessai
>    <http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Ananta_Rau_Sar_Dessai>
>    - Judit Beatriz de Souza[9]
>    <http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Poets_in_(and_from)_Goa#cite_note-9>
>    (1933–2011)
>    - Vimala Devi (1936) <http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Vimala_Devi>
>    - Jose Filipe Neri Soares Rebelo
>    - Telo Mascarenhas <http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Telo_Mascarenhas>
>    - Fernando Leal
>    - Manoel Salvador Sanches Fernandes
>    - R.B. Barreto e Miranda
>    - J.F. da P. Soares
>    - Leandro Xavier Pereira
>    - Leopoldo Francisco da Costa
>    - José Joaquim Fragoso
>    - Florência de Moraes
>    - Mariano Gracias
>    - Floriano Barretto
>    - Paulino Dias
>    - Adolfo Costa
>    - Joao da Veiga Coutinho
>    - Vasco Pinto
>    - Oscar Monteiro[10]
>    <http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Poets_in_(and_from)_Goa#cite_note-10>[11]
>    <http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Poets_in_(and_from)_Goa#cite_note-11>[12]
>    <http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Poets_in_(and_from)_Goa#cite_note-12>[13]
>    <http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Poets_in_(and_from)_Goa#cite_note-13>
>
> Kannada[edit source
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poets_in_(and_from)_Goa&action=edit&section=6>
>  | edit
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poets_in_(and_from)_Goa&veaction=edit&vesection=6>
> ]
>
>    - Dr. Krishna Badiger, Government College, Sanquelim.
>
> External links[edit source
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poets_in_(and_from)_Goa&action=edit&section=7>
>  | edit
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poets_in_(and_from)_Goa&veaction=edit&vesection=7>
> ]
>
>    - Poets of Goa <https://sites.google.com/site/goapoetry/poets-of-goa>
>    - Some Goan Konkani Poets, John Aguiar's blog
>
> <http://johnaguiarspoetry.blogspot.in/2011/05/some-goan-konkani-poets.html>
>    - Ugtem Molob, a Konkani Poets' Meet in Goa
>    <https://archive.org/details/UgtemMolobAKonkaniPoetsMeetInGoa>
>    - A Review of Konkani Poetry After Goa's Liberation - Scribd
>
> <http://www.scribd.com/doc/44611122/A-Review-of-Konkani-Poetry-After-Goa-s-Liberation#scribd>
>    - Bakibab Borkar, by Veena Patwardhan
>    <http://www.veenapatwardhan.com/greatgoansbakibabborkar19101984.html>
>    - The Goan Fiddler, by Augusto Pinto, Himal, 2009
>
> <http://old.himalmag.com/component/content/article/533-the-goan-fiddler.html>
>    - Feminist Marathi poetry of Vishnu Wagh
>    <https://www.mail-archive.com/goa...@lists.goanet.org/msg30975.html>
>    - Muse India Focus - Goan Literature. 2013.
>    <http://museindia.com/focus.asp?id=50>
>    - What happened to Indian literature in Portuguese?
>    <http://www.india-seminar.com/2012/630/630_everton_v._machado.htm>
>    - Dom Moraes <http://www.poemhunter.com/dom-moraes/>
>    - Catalog Record: Goan poetry : an anthology of verse by living Goan
>    poets | Hathi Trust Digital Library
>    <http://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006269238>
>    - Goan Poetry: An Anthology of Verse by Living Goan Poets
>
> <https://books.google.co.in/books/about/Goan_Poetry.html?id=-5dzAAAAIAAJ&redir_esc=y>
>    - Sanjiv Verenkar (poet) <http://www.digitalgoa.com/sanjivverenkar>
>
> References[edit source
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poets_in_(and_from)_Goa&action=edit&section=8>
>  | edit
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poets_in_(and_from)_Goa&veaction=edit&vesection=8>
> ]
>
>    1. *Jump up^
>    <http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Poets_in_(and_from)_Goa#cite_ref-1>* Aguiar,
>    John. *Some Goan Konkani Poets*
>
> <http://johnaguiarspoetry.blogspot.in/2011/05/some-goan-konkani-poets.html>.
>    Blog, 2011
>    2. *Jump up^
>    <http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Poets_in_(and_from)_Goa#cite_ref-2>*
>    https://archive.org/details/RameshVeluskarAPoetFromGoa
>    3. *Jump up^
>    <http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Poets_in_(and_from)_Goa#cite_ref-3>*
>    https://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=IN&hl=en-GB&v=WFVzfluvVqk
>    4. *Jump up^
>    <http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Poets_in_(and_from)_Goa#cite_ref-4>*
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&gl=IN&v=q9vhcme7YHQ&hl=en-GB
>    5. *Jump up^
>    <http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Poets_in_(and_from)_Goa#cite_ref-5>*
>    http://museindia.com/focuscontent.asp?issid=50&id=4300
>    6. *Jump up^
>    <http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Poets_in_(and_from)_Goa#cite_ref-6>*
>
> https://goabooks.wordpress.com/2013/09/14/indo-american-cardiologist-gets-to-the-heart-of-verse/
>    7. *Jump up^
>    <http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Poets_in_(and_from)_Goa#cite_ref-7>*
>
> http://archiveofgoanwritinginportuguese.blogspot.in/2013/05/nascimento-mendonca-por-de-sol.html
>    8. *Jump up^
>    <http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Poets_in_(and_from)_Goa#cite_ref-8>*
>
> http://archiveofgoanwritinginportuguese.blogspot.in/2011/11/nascimento-mendonca-cantico-em-louvor.html
>    9. *Jump up^
>    <http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Poets_in_(and_from)_Goa#cite_ref-9>*
>
> http://archiveofgoanwritinginportuguese.blogspot.in/2012/07/judit-beatriz-de-souza-gota-de-agua.html
>    10. *Jump up^
>    <http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Poets_in_(and_from)_Goa#cite_ref-10>*
>
> http://oscarmonteiro-autor.blogspot.ca/2008/04/lanamento-do-livro-nas-asas-da-palavra.html
>    11. *Jump up^
>    <http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Poets_in_(and_from)_Goa#cite_ref-11>*
>    http://www.angelfire.com/pop2/portuguese/reviews.html
>    12. *Jump up^
>    <http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Poets_in_(and_from)_Goa#cite_ref-12>*
>    http://www.venuscreations.ca/viewCarlosMorgadinho_detalhe.asp?id=63
>    13. *Jump up^
>    <http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Poets_in_(and_from)_Goa#cite_ref-13>*
>    http://www.gremioliterario.ca/
>
> Categories <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Category>:
>
>    - Goa <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Goa>
>    - Poetry <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Poetry>
>    - Poets <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Poets>
>    - Literature <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Literature>
>    - Lists of poets <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Lists_of_poets>
>
>
>
> On 16 July 2015 at 17:17, augusto pinto <pint...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Don't miss out on Soter Barreto who has been published in both Devanagari
>> and Romi jourals, but unfortunately not in book form. I frankly think
>> that
>> despite his small output, he is a GREAT Konkani poet as also short story
>> writer and does not deserve the anonymity he currently suffers from.
>>
>> I believe books of his poems are in the pipeline though and that too in
>> both scripts.
>>
>> Augusto
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 4:47 PM, Jose Fernandes <kon...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Frederick-bab,
>>>
>>> Romi Konknni poets:
>>>
>>> Pio Fernandes
>>>
>>> Adrian Fernandes
>>>
>>> Delur Sunami
>>>
>>> Marcos Gonsalves
>>>
>>> Guadalupe Dias
>>>
>>> Cirilo D. Fernandes
>>>
>>>
>>> Mog asum,
>>>
>>> Jose Salvador Fernandes
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 2:51 PM, Frederick FN Noronha * फ्रेड्रिक
>>> नोरोन्या * فريدريك نورونيا <frederic...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  [image: Boxbe] <https://www.boxbe.com/overview> This message is
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>>>>
>>>> 1942 in India
>>>>
>>>> Raul De Loyola Furtado
>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Raul_De_Loyola_Furtado&action=edit&redlink=1>,
>>>> also known as Joseph Furtado
>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Joseph_Furtado&action=edit&redlink=1>
>>>> , *Selected Poems* (Poetry in English), Bombay
>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombay>: published by the author in a
>>>> limited edition of 100 copies (second edition, revised 1947
>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947_in_poetry>; third edition, revised
>>>> 1967 <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_in_poetry>)
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1942_in_poetry#India.2C_in_English
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    1. ^ Jump up to:*a*
>>>>    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1942_in_poetry#cite_ref-mnkpipe_9-0>
>>>>    *b*
>>>>    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1942_in_poetry#cite_ref-mnkpipe_9-1>
>>>> Naik,
>>>>    M. K., *Perspectives on Indian poetry in English*
>>>>
>>>> <http://books.google.com/books?id=FcH2MUnlQjQC&printsec=frontcover#PRA1-PA230,M1>,
>>>>    p. 230, (published by Abhinav Publications, 1984, ISBN 0-391-03286-0
>>>>    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/0391032860>, ISBN
>>>>    978-0-391-03286-6
>>>>    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/9780391032866>),
>>>>    retrieved via Google Books, June 12, 2009
>>>>    2. *Jump up^
>>>>    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1942_in_poetry#cite_ref-10>* Lal, P.,
>>>> *Modern
>>>>    Indian Poetry in English: An Anthology & a Credo*, p 182 Calcutta:
>>>>    Writers Workshop, second edition, 1971 (however, on page 597 an
>>>> "editor's
>>>>    note" states contents "on the following pages are a supplement to the
>>>> first
>>>>    edition" and is dated "1972")
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On 17 July 2015 at 14:25, Teotonio R. de Souza <teode...@gmail.com> wrote:

If FM N refers to Antonio Mascarenhas who worked at the Lisbon National Radio in the late 50s, and later returned to Goa (Dabolim), he published a couple of booklets in English, such as Essays for Diplomats on the Case of Goa, and A Critique of Sir S. Radhakrishnan's Basis for Human Fellowship. None of the publications show the date, but indicate that they were Edições Paulistas (Lumiar, Lisboa). He edited with his introduction Poesias do Povo Goês (Portuguese translations in verse of Goan folk songs) by Dra Maria da Paz Cabrita de Barros Santos and Jesuíno de Noronha. These were recited at the Emissora Nacional (last Tuesdays of every month) and Radio Universidade, in Lisbon ( on alternate Fridays). Please find attached images of the book title and the translation of the folk song Ami Bicari. 

AM's wife, Mira, had registered for Ph.D. in History under my guidance in 1987, but she died a year later of a galloping cancer. She left some excellent contribution to the Church History series of CHAI.

TRS

Teo, Fatima is AM & MM's daughter! Small world... I met her mum at one of your seminars, I think. FN

[FM N]

Dear Dr Teotonio,

Thank you for this note on my parents and their writing.

My mother's MA thesis, "The Pombaline Era in Goa" is currently with
the publisher.

I do have a few of my father's books, but am looking for the English
original of his collection on Goan folk song -- I have the Portuguese
translation.

Boletim do Instituto Menezes Bragança published some of his poems and
his history of Goa.

Fatima (Mascarenhas e Noronha)

On 17/07/2015, Teotonio R. de Souza <teode...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If FM N refers to Antonio Mascarenhas who worked at the Lisbon National
> Radio in the late 50s, and later returned to Goa (Dabolim), he published a

> couple of booklets in English, such as *Essays for Diplomats on the Case of
> Goa*, and *A Critique of Sir S. Radhakrishnan's Basis for Human
> Fellowship.*

> None of the publications show the date, but indicate that they were Edições

> Paulistas (Lumiar, Lisboa). He edited with his introduction *Poesias do
> Povo Goês* (Portuguese translations in verse of Goan folk songs) by Dra

> <http://about.me/teodesouza>
> tweets @ramkamat

[augusto pinto]

Dear FN

I received a mail from Luis de Assis Correia which I quote below:

"Raul Loyola Furtado is a scion of the elite de Loyola Furtado family from Chinchinnim and is the third son of Dr Miguel de Loyola Furtado. On the maternal side he originates from Orlim. You may remember Advogado Jose Inacio de Loyola and Fanchu de Loyola from Orlim.

Dr Miguel de Loyola Furtado had three sons:

1) Advogado Mario de Loyola Furtado

2) Dr Alvaro de Loyola Furtado (You will certainly remember him for his Post-Liberation active politics)

3) Journalist Raul de Loyola Furtado who lived in Canada.

One daughter Leonora (Lolita) married Martinho Fernandes, Administrador das Communidades de Salcete, was a journalist-writer of "A India Portuguesa"

Dr Alvaro did his medical studies in French Pondicherry and was a family friend. I have fond memories of my visits to Dr Alvaro in Chinchinnim when I was in Loyola School, Margao.

Hope the above will interest you.

Kind regards

Luis de Assis Correia"

 

On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 11:10 PM, Frederick FN Noronha * फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या * فريدريك نورونيا <frederic...@gmail.com> wrote:

Just wondering if Raul de Loyola Furtado is a wholly different person from Joseph Furtado!

https://books.google.co.in/books/about/Shelley.html?id=G2GaAAAAIAAJ&redir_esc=y

Peter Nazareth perhaps holds the key, and can tell. This is form his anthology, the very first in English on Goan writing: 

QUOTE Another Goan writer who died leaving behind an unpublished novel was Raul Furtado, who taught American literature at the University of New Delhi, obtained degrees from Syracuse and St. Paul, and died at Toronto in 1983. His poetry has a sureness of tone and a wide variety of references.  UNQUOTE

FN

On 16 July 2015 at 15:25, augusto pinto <pint...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear FN

You make me wonder.

From the Wikipedia article the source of the snippet you "accidentally came across" is interesting. I think I independently came across a Raul de Loyola Furtado and never connected him to Joseph Furtado. The ...de Loyola Furtado name connects with the Chardos of the village of Orlim as I off-hand recall.

But Joseph Furtado was a resident of Pilerne and this is a fact - I could even I feel, identify the place where he lived which is now in ruins.
 

I'm sure that for many this discovery (if it indeed is true in the first place) is boring, but I find it quite fascinating.

Why would the son of a Chardo landlord of Orlim want to migrate to Pilerne a village which was I think dominated by Mitt Gauddas (intermediate/maybe upper caste salt-pan owners)

One thing I know is that JF had a tremendous fight with the ganvkars of the village and, after getting a very bad beating from the ganvkars, was forced to flee from the place.

(Such information can be culled out from his Introductions and there are references in  his poems too).

Augusto

1942 in India

Raul De Loyola Furtado, also known as Joseph Furtado, Selected Poems (Poetry in English), Bombay: published by the author in a limited edition of 100 copies (second edition, revised 1947; third edition, revised 1967)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1942_in_poetry#India.2C_in_English

1. ^ Jump up to:^a b Naik, M. K., Perspectives on Indian poetry in English, p. 230, (published by Abhinav Publications, 1984, ISBN 0-391-03286-0, ISBN 978-0-391-03286-6), retrieved via Google Books, June 12, 2009
2. Jump up^ Lal, P., Modern Indian Poetry in English: An Anthology & a Credo, p 182 Calcutta: Writers Workshop, second edition, 1971 (however, on page 597 an "editor's note" states contents "on the following pages are a supplement to the first edition" and is dated "1972")

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[Eugene Correia]

My quick rundown of the list of English poets didn't  see the name of Santan Rodrigues, who along with Melanie, formed the Bombay Poetry Club (if I am correct on the name). He also wrote for Goa Today. I think Santan died young but I don't know of what.

Teotonio has mentioned Antonio Mascarenhas and Mira. Fatima Noronha is their daughter and should throw more light on it. I remember reading Antonio's book on Goa's history.

Eugene Correia

[Teotonio R de Souza]

Dear Fatima
I am very happy to have discovered you here.
I remember fondly my visit and a lunch with your parents on my way to the airport. Probably you too were there too or your sisters.
I am glad to know your mum's MA thesis is under publication. I remember that the substance of it was included in the CHAI volume edited by Fr. Hambye.
If I do come across any other book of your father in my collection I shall let you know.
Love and regards
Teotonio

Enviado do meu iPhone

[FM N]

Dear Dr Teotonio,
Thank you very much for your affectionate message. I did not have the
pleasure of meeting you at Miraton Gardens, as my two decades of
peregrination began in the early eighties. You probably met my sisters
Noemia and Layla. None of us became historians like our parents.
People still ask me for copies of my father’s Goa from Prehistoric
Times and Father Joseph Vaz of Sancoale, both out-of-print. I hope to
complete an e-version of the latter. I tried to tackle the history
book but found myself tearing my hair out because the author
cheerfully alludes to persons and events without providing exact
references.
Warm regards,
Fatima

[Teotonio R. de Souza]

Dear Fatima

Yes, it was your sisters Noemia and Layla. Where are they now?

I was not aware of the books you mentioned. I am not surprised if he does not provide many references. Probably he had access to very few Indian publications in Lisbon.

About José Vaz there are at least 3 editions of Sebastião do Rego, and more recently many fresh studies, including the Chronologia da Congregação do Oratoriio de Goa, ed. by M.de Jesus Martires Lopes. It would be essential to read it if you are preparing to re-edit your dad's book. It is an opportunity to update it with recent studies.

Warmest regards

Teotonio

[Eugene Correia]

Fatima is absolutely on the dot regarding her father not providing the list of references. The Prehistory of Goa sort of remind of the book, a MA or Ph.D thesis. I think the author is George Vaz (I can stand corrected).

It would be nice of Fatima to publish the Goan folk song book when she finds it. It could add to the collection of books on Goa's folklore.

Is there anyone doing research on folk songs at the Goa University?

Eugene

[Tensing Rodrigues]

Gerald Pereira- An Outline of Pre Portuguese history of Goa, ?

[FM N]

Dear Dr Teotonio,

Thank you for indicating the direction a new edition of my dad's
biography of José Vaz could take. He wrote that book quickly at
Filomena Giese's suggestion, since at that time (1980?) she wanted a
biography to hand out to the various clergymen she lobbied for the
beatification (then) of José Vaz. There has recently been renewed
interest in the saint's life. GBC member Oscar de Noronha published
"Of Divine Bondage" in the run-up to the canonisation.

To answer your question: my sister Noemia lives in Miraton Gardens,
across from where my parents home once was. Layla lives in Raia and
lectures at the BITS Pilani Goa Campus.

Warm regards,
Fatima

On 18/07/2015, Teotonio R. de Souza <teode...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Fatima
> Yes, it was your sisters Noemia and Layla. Where are they now?
> I was not aware of the books you mentioned. I am not surprised if he does
> not provide many references. Probably he had access to very few Indian
> publications in Lisbon.
> About José Vaz there are at least 3 editions of Sebastião do Rego, and more
>

> recently many fresh studies, including the *Chronologia da Congregação do
> Oratoriio de Goa,* ed. by M.de Jesus Martires Lopes. It would be essential

> to read it if you are preparing to re-edit your dad's book. It is an
> opportunity to update it with recent studies.
> Warmest regards
> Teotonio
>
> On Saturday, 18 July 2015 05:44:56 UTC+1, FM N wrote:
>>
>> Dear Dr Teotonio,
>> Thank you very much for your affectionate message. I did not have the
>> pleasure of meeting you at Miraton Gardens, as my two decades of
>> peregrination began in the early eighties. You probably met my sisters
>> Noemia and Layla. None of us became historians like our parents.
>> People still ask me for copies of my father’s Goa from Prehistoric
>> Times and Father Joseph Vaz of Sancoale, both out-of-print. I hope to
>> complete an e-version of the latter. I tried to tackle the history
>> book but found myself tearing my hair out because the author
>> cheerfully alludes to persons and events without providing exact
>> references.
>> Warm regards,
>> Fatima
>>
>>

>> On 17/07/2015, Teotonio R de Souza <teode...@gmail.com <javascript:>>

>> wrote:
>> > Dear Fatima
>> > I am very happy to have discovered you here.
>> > I remember fondly my visit and a lunch with your parents on my way to
>> the
>> > airport. Probably you too were there too or your sisters.
>> > I am glad to know your mum's MA thesis is under publication. I remember
>> >
>> that
>> > the substance of it was included in the CHAI volume edited by Fr.
>> Hambye.
>> > If I do come across any other book of your father in my collection I
>> shall
>> > let you know.
>> > Love and regards
>> > Teotonio
>> >
>> > Enviado do meu iPhone
>> >

>> > No dia 17/07/2015, às 12:35, FM N <fatimam...@gmail.com <javascript:>>

>> escreveu:
>> >
>> >> Dear Dr Teotonio,
>> >>
>> >> Thank you for this note on my parents and their writing.
>> >>
>> >> My mother's MA thesis, "The Pombaline Era in Goa" is currently with
>> >> the publisher.
>> >>
>> >> I do have a few of my father's books, but am looking for the English
>> >> original of his collection on Goan folk song -- I have the Portuguese
>> >> translation.
>> >>
>> >> Boletim do Instituto Menezes Bragança published some of his poems and
>> >> his history of Goa.
>> >>
>> >> Fatima (Mascarenhas e Noronha)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>

>> >>> On 17/07/2015, Teotonio R. de Souza <teode...@gmail.com <javascript:>>

>> >>>> On 17 July 2015 at 01:01, FM N <fatimam...@gmail.com <javascript:>>

>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Dear FN,
>> >>>> At the start of this thread it was not clear if buried poets were
>> >>>> included. Antonio Mascarenhas (1916-1993) could be added. He did
>> write
>> >>>> poetry (Gerard Manley Hopkins was a great influence) but often on
>> >>>> little slips of paper which were never collated. Before his
>> centenary,
>> >>>> I am trying to extract a few bits and pieces from the clutches of
>> >>>> untidy descendants.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> FMN
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 16/07/2015, Frederick FN Noronha * फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या * فريدريك

>> <javascript:>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Don't miss out on Soter Barreto who has been published in both
>> >>>> Devanagari
>> >>>>>> and Romi jourals, but unfortunately not in book form. I frankly
>> think
>> >>>>>> that
>> >>>>>> despite his small output, he is a GREAT Konkani poet as also short
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> story
>> >>>>>> writer and does not deserve the anonymity he currently suffers
>> from.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I believe books of his poems are in the pipeline though and that
>> too
>> >>>>>> in
>> >>>>>> both scripts.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Augusto
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 4:47 PM, Jose Fernandes <kon...@gmail.com

>> <javascript:>>

>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Frederick-bab,
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Romi Konknni poets:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Pio Fernandes
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Adrian Fernandes
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Delur Sunami
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Marcos Gonsalves
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Guadalupe Dias
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Cirilo D. Fernandes
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Mog asum,
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Jose Salvador Fernandes
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 2:51 PM, Frederick FN Noronha * फ्रेड्रिक
>> >>>>>>>

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On 19 July 2015 at 07:45, FM N <fatimam...@gmail.com> wrote:

To answer your question: my sister Noemia lives in Miraton Gardens,
across from where my parents home once was. Layla lives in Raia and
lectures at the BITS Pilani Goa Campus.

And this might interest this list too: Layla is in the final stages of completing her PhD on writing for children at the English Department of the Goa University. The family features in various stories of Fatima Noronha's recent Stray Mango Branches. FN

[augusto pinto]

Is Layla on GBC? It would be good to have her perspectives here. Do tell her to join.

Augusto

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[FM N]

I doubt Layla is on GBC now. Maybe after she bungs in the thesis.

On 19/07/2015, augusto pinto <pint...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Is Layla on GBC? It would be good to have her perspectives here. Do tell
> her to join.
>
> Augusto
>
> On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Frederick FN Noronha * फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या
> * فريدريك نورونيا <frederic...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 19 July 2015 at 07:45, FM N <fatimam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> To answer your question: my sister Noemia lives in Miraton Gardens,
>>> across from where my parents home once was. Layla lives in Raia and
>>> lectures at the BITS Pilani Goa Campus.
>>>
>>
>> And this might interest this list too: Layla is in the final stages of
>> completing her PhD on writing for children at the English Department of
>> the
>> Goa University. The family features in various stories of Fatima
>> Noronha's

>> recent *Stray Mango Branches*. FN