COOKIES
Jamie Gritton
The COOKIES file included in the emacs distribution is ridiculous.
Before Mrs. Fields was well-known, this legend was circulating around
about Neimann-Marcus (sp?). This obviously legendary tale doesn't
belong in emacs. (Many other files in the etc directory don't either,
but they're mostly innocous.
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Lawrence R. Dodd
>>>>> On Fri, 31 Jul 92 09:27:12 MDT, gri...@alaska.et.byu.edu (Jamie Gritton) said:
Jamie> The COOKIES file included in the emacs distribution is ridiculous.
Jamie> Before Mrs. Fields was well-known, this legend was circulating around
Jamie> about Neimann-Marcus (sp?). This obviously legendary tale doesn't
Jamie> belong in emacs. (Many other files in the etc directory don't either,
Jamie> but they're mostly innocous.
I agree completely. I have removed most of the propaganda from my etc and
left only the file essential to running emacs and the COPYING and DISTRIB
files. For instance, is ../etc/sex.6 really necessary?
My $0.02.
Jeff Clark
Jamie> The COOKIES file included in the emacs distribution is ridiculous.
Maybe so, but the cookies are delicious!
Jeff Clark
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rodrigo vanegas
> I agree completely. I have removed most of the propaganda from my etc and
> left only the file essential to running emacs and the COPYING and DISTRIB
> files. For instance, is ../etc/sex.6 really necessary?
i found it very useful.
if ($?NOSENSEOFHUMOR) then
rm -r etc
endif
rodrigo
Lawrence R. Dodd
rodrigo> In article <DODD.92Ju...@mycenae.cchem>, do...@mycenae.cchem (Lawrence R. Dodd) writes:
> I agree completely. I have removed most of the propaganda from my etc and
> left only the file essential to running emacs and the COPYING and DISTRIB
> files. For instance, is ../etc/sex.6 really necessary?
rodrigo> i found it very useful.
rodrigo> if ($?NOSENSEOFHUMOR) then
rodrigo> rm -r etc
rodrigo> endif
If you do 'rm -r etc' you will be very surprised! It took me a while to find
what was needed, what was fluff, and what was shit.
Wolfgang S. Rupprecht
>Before Mrs. Fields was well-known, this legend was circulating around
>about Neimann-Marcus (sp?). This obviously legendary tale doesn't
>belong in emacs. (Many other files in the etc directory don't either,
>but they're mostly innocous.
Who cares if the tale is strictly true?
The cookies are great.
-wolfgang
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Tim Pierce
>This obviously legendary tale doesn't
>belong in emacs. (Many other files in the etc directory don't either,
>but they're mostly innocous.
What got under your collar, Jamie? At the top of the file it SAYS
it's a myth. For Pete's sake, worry about something important.
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Tim Pierce
>I agree completely. I have removed most of the propaganda from my etc and
>left only the file essential to running emacs and the COPYING and DISTRIB
>files.
God, don't you people ever have any fun?
[Incidentally, is it just me, or does this seem to be something of a
violation of the GPL?]
Lawrence R. Dodd
>>>>> On Sun, 2 Aug 1992 14:46:03 GMT, twpi...@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) said:
Tim> Nntp-Posting-Host: amhux1.amherst.edu
Tim> In article <DODD.92Ju...@mycenae.cchem> do...@mycenae.cchem.berkeley.edu writes:
>I agree completely. I have removed most of the propaganda from my etc and
>left only the file essential to running emacs and the COPYING and DISTRIB
>files.
Tim> God, don't you people ever have any fun?
Tim> [Incidentally, is it just me, or does this seem to be something of a
Tim> violation of the GPL?]
What having fun or saving diskspace in ../etc?
Dave Cottingham
> [commentary about frivolity in emacs/etc deleted]
> For instance, is ../etc/sex.6 really necessary?
Well, if I didn't have etc/sex.6, then what would I do the next time
someone told me to "read the fucking manual"?
- Dave Cottingham
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"If our behavior is strict, then we do not need fun." -- Zippy
Ken Arromdee
>>I agree completely. I have removed most of the propaganda from my etc and
>>left only the file essential to running emacs and the COPYING and DISTRIB
>>files.
>violation of the GPL?]
If it is, gnu gets what it deserves for making absurd rules. If you make a
rule stating that someone must include a cookie recipe in their source
directory, or else be in violation of copyright, you _can't_ be surprised if
people start violating the copyright in that manner.
There are, at least, arguments as to why gnu uses copyright laws to impose
distribution restrictions, even though it's opposed to such things in general.
Even though such laws are bad, it's being done for a good cause which if it
succeeds may help loosen up such laws in the future.
But for gnu to use copyright laws, which it supposedly opposes, to threaten
people with having men with guns come and take their money (in this case called
"damages decided by the court") for not including a cookie recipe when giving
out source code, is unconscionable. Small wonder that even people who
otherwise accept the GPL violate this restriction. (Of course, providing that
you're right and the GPL actually makes it illegal.)
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Nathan Hess
>It's by no means necessary, but it's *funny*.
Along the same lines, look at lisp/terminal.el
--woodstock
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Noah Friedman
>In article <FRIEDMAN.9...@nutrimat.gnu.ai.mit.edu>, friedman@gnu (Noah Friedman) writes:
>>It's by no means necessary, but it's *funny*.
>
>Along the same lines, look at lisp/terminal.el
Of course, terminal.el is actually useful, albeit not terribly powerful.
(and terminal.el is pretty mild compared to some of the other things I've
seen written by mly. :-))
Incidentally, a lot of terminal.el has been rewritten in version 19.
Too bad... I liked all the variable names and comments in the original.
Ian Lance Taylor
>In article <1992Aug2.1...@amhux2.amherst.edu> twpi...@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>>Somebody else writes:
>>>I agree completely. I have removed most of the propaganda from my etc and
>>>left only the file essential to running emacs and the COPYING and DISTRIB
>>>files.
>>[Incidentally, is it just me, or does this seem to be something of a
>>violation of the GPL?]
>If it is, gnu gets what it deserves for making absurd rules.
I hope it's obvious to everybody that the GPL says nothing whatsoever
about whether the files in emacs/etc are distributed with emacs or
not. It most certainly says nothing about the issue mentioned above,
namely whether you can delete them from your own system or not.
Even if the GPL pushes your buttons, at least flame it for what it
really says. It's not that hard to understand.
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Is this the Bush or Clinton recipe?
Gordon.
Warren Burstein
God, don't you people ever have any fun?
[Incidentally, is it just me, or does this seem to be something of a
violation of the GPL?]
The GPL does not prohbit having fun.
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John W. Eaton
frie...@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Noah Friedman) writes:
> Incidentally, a lot of terminal.el has been rewritten in version 19.
> Too bad... I liked all the variable names and comments in the original.
Yes, and the powerful statements made in te-quote-arg-for-sh have been
somewhat diminished by renaming the argument to `string'.
Maybe the original could be moved to from lisp to etc, to be preserved
for all time?
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Jamie Zawinski
from terminal.el, though they are preserved in a file called term-nasty.el,
to avoid appearing to bow to the censors.
In Lucid GNU Emacs, terminal.el will remain as nasty as it ever was.
-- Jamie "Truth, Justice, and the Fucking First Amendment" Zawinski
Noah Friedman
>frie...@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Noah Friedman) writes:
>
>> Incidentally, a lot of terminal.el has been rewritten in version 19.
>> Too bad... I liked all the variable names and comments in the original.
>
>Yes, and the powerful statements made in te-quote-arg-for-sh have been
>somewhat diminished by renaming the argument to `string'.
There are all sorts of priceless comments in the whole file. I think
terminal.el is wonderful.
>Maybe the original could be moved to from lisp to etc, to be preserved
>for all time?
I've kept a copy for myself, but it looks like the distribution is going
to have a few of the comments ripped out and moved to term-nasty.el.