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Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf

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Oct 25, 2012, 6:29:55 AM10/25/12
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Sadly we are not among them :-(

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  1. Accepted devrooms (Tias Guns)

Von: Tias Guns <ti...@fosdem.org>
Datum: 24. Oktober 2012 21:27:48 MESZ
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Betreff: [FOSDEM] Accepted devrooms


Devrooms are 'developer rooms' in which open source communities can organize their own schedule, made of presentations, brainstorming and hacking sessions. Our goal is to stimulate developer collaboration and cross-pollination between projects.

It is our pleasure and honor to announce that the following projects and topics have been granted a devroom at FOSDEM 2013:

Both Days
---------
* Cross Distro
* CrossDesktop
* Embedded and Mobile
* Free Java
* Legal Issues
* Mozilla

Saturday
--------
* Apache OpenOffice
* Community development and Marketing
* FOSS for scientists
* Graph Processing
* Jabber/XMPP
* Microkernels / Component-based OSes
* Mono
* PHP and Friends
* Testing and Automation
* The Wine Project
* Virtualization
* X.org

Sunday
------
* Ada
* BSD
* Cloud
* Configuration/Systems Management
* Cross Distro
* LibreOffice
* MySQL & Friends
* NOSQL
* Open Source Game Development
* PostgreSQL
* Python
* Smalltalk
* Telephony


In the coming weeks, they will announce their call for talks on various mailinglists (including this one). We will collect them on our website as well.

We will also open our call for stands (a place in the hallway) and lightningtalks (15 minute talks) in the coming week.


On behalf of the FOSDEM program team,
Tias



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Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller

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Oct 25, 2012, 6:41:57 AM10/25/12
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Am 25.10.2012 um 12:29 schrieb Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf:

Sadly we are not among them :-(

Yes. I would have had one nice talk about progress of SWK and one
about reverse engineered OSX compatible Distributed Objects. Both are
topics that could best be presented in a talk&discussion.

My impression is that they have less rooms than in the past and some
topics have become more generic, i.e. not projects get a room but topics
(Distro, Desktop, Embedded, Mobile, Legal, Community, Scientists, Microkernel, ...).

Anyways, how can we deal with it? I don't see any other devroom we could
make proposals for talks. Except "Smalltalk". Should we try to flood them
with proposals for talks :)

Or we must do what many other projects are doing: organize our own
conference[s] (hackathons, AlpenSTEP, ...). I have no idea if it is possible
to get a conference room @ some hotel @ Brussels @ friday before
FOSDEM. Is there someone from Belgium here on this list and could
try to find out?

Nikolaus

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Ivan Vučica

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Oct 25, 2012, 7:01:14 AM10/25/12
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On 25. 10. 2012., at 12:41, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller <h...@goldelico.com> wrote:

Anyways, how can we deal with it? I don't see any other devroom we could
make proposals for talks. Except "Smalltalk". Should we try to flood them
with proposals for talks :)

I don't think they'd be against one or two talks.


Or we must do what many other projects are doing: organize our own
conference[s] (hackathons, AlpenSTEP, ...). I have no idea if it is possible
to get a conference room @ some hotel @ Brussels @ friday before
FOSDEM. Is there someone from Belgium here on this list and could
try to find out?

Getting a separate conference room is bound to be pricey. Perhaps a local university would be willing to provide some space (a classroom), to lower the costs?

Gerold Rupprecht

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Oct 25, 2012, 7:17:41 AM10/25/12
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Hi Lars,

Thanks for your efforts.

Can you say anything about the selection criteria?

We have enjoyed FOSDEM presence since the beginning so I am interested
to know why the organizers are giving preference to others. What can we
do to make our project have greater value for FOSDEM?

These people are putting in a tremendous effort at organizing, finding
sponsors, volonteers and I really appreciate their efforts. It has
always been a highlight for me to meet other people interested in
GNUstep each year at FOSDEM.

One thing that comes to mind is the often difficult access to our code
within various distributions /OSs. The code which is available has often
been in a frustrating state where getting the code up and running.

Are reviewers finding it difficult and time-consuming?

What are the FOSDEM organizers looking at?

We have even had the support of Richard Stallman for our project, so I
am still convinced GNUstep has strategic value for Free Software.

What are the other projects doing that presents them as being a better
investment for their time and resources than our project?

Can we set a priority to fill in the gaps to again meet their
standards?

I have great admiration for the current and past contributors to GNUstep
and the overall quality of work. We have had investments from Google
summer of code for a number of contributions, so technically, I have no
doubt as to the value of the produced code.

The current efforts to creating debian packaging that is more current is
a good move in the right direction (big thanks to all contributors).
Would more automatic regression tests be of help to get better ratings?

Any thoughts and suggestions would be most welcome.

Would it be appropriate for us to graft ourselves onto the Testing and
Automation group (Saturday) or the Configuration / Systems Management
group (Sunday) this year?

What is the interest to organize a meeting nearby to FOSDEM?

I really want to see GNUstep at FOSDEM again.

All comments and suggestions welcome.

Thanks,

Gerold
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On jeu, 2012-10-25 at 12:29 +0200, Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf wrote:
> Sadly we are not among them :-(
>
>

Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller

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Oct 25, 2012, 7:25:01 AM10/25/12
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Hi Gerold,

Am 25.10.2012 um 13:17 schrieb Gerold Rupprecht:

> Hi Lars,
>
> Thanks for your efforts.
>
> Can you say anything about the selection criteria?

I had submitted a request for a devroom for another project and got almost
verbatim the same answer. There is no clear statement about rules, except:

>>> Our goal is to stimulate developer
>>> collaboration and cross-pollination between projects.

So I think a single project or even several has lower chances than a "topic".

And, available space is always an important criterion.

>
> We have enjoyed FOSDEM presence since the beginning so I am interested
> to know why the organizers are giving preference to others. What can we
> do to make our project have greater value for FOSDEM?

I think with these criteria mentioned above, we can do nothing. We can't transform
our project into a "general topic". We can only organize our own "mini-conference".

> These people are putting in a tremendous effort at organizing, finding
> sponsors, volonteers and I really appreciate their efforts. It has
> always been a highlight for me to meet other people interested in
> GNUstep each year at FOSDEM.

Well, from the organizer's viewpoint we can still do that. Just not in a devroom
provided by them.

> One thing that comes to mind is the often difficult access to our code
> within various distributions /OSs. The code which is available has often
> been in a frustrating state where getting the code up and running.
>
> Are reviewers finding it difficult and time-consuming?
>
> What are the FOSDEM organizers looking at?

I don't think they are looking into any code.

>
> We have even had the support of Richard Stallman for our project, so I
> am still convinced GNUstep has strategic value for Free Software.

Yes, but it is one of >20 (or more) strategic projects. I don't see any other FSF project
on the list of the accepted devrooms (I may have missed it).

>
> What are the other projects doing that presents them as being a better
> investment for their time and resources than our project?

They address a broader audience. Look, not even Debian or Fedora
has its own devroom. They have to share "Cross Distro".

FOSDEM has simply grown faster than the audience of our project...

>
> Can we set a priority to fill in the gaps to again meet their
> standards?
>
> I have great admiration for the current and past contributors to GNUstep
> and the overall quality of work. We have had investments from Google
> summer of code for a number of contributions, so technically, I have no
> doubt as to the value of the produced code.
>
> The current efforts to creating debian packaging that is more current is
> a good move in the right direction (big thanks to all contributors).
> Would more automatic regression tests be of help to get better ratings?

FOSDEM does IMHO only look into importance of a topic for mankind.

>
> Any thoughts and suggestions would be most welcome.
>
> Would it be appropriate for us to graft ourselves onto the Testing and
> Automation group (Saturday) or the Configuration / Systems Management
> group (Sunday) this year?
>
> What is the interest to organize a meeting nearby to FOSDEM?

This has crossed over with my other proposal for getting a conference
room @ some hotel nearby :)

> I really want to see GNUstep at FOSDEM again.

And I want to meet the GNUsteppers during FOSDEM time :)

>
> All comments and suggestions welcome.

>
> Thanks,


Nikolaus

Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller

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Oct 25, 2012, 7:30:37 AM10/25/12
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We could also try to look at youth hostels or charity groups etc. Sometimes they have low-budget meeting rooms.
Finally, there could turn up someone who makes a donation :)

But this needs help from someone living in Belgium or even better in Brussels.

Nikolaus

Ivan Vučica

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Oct 25, 2012, 11:50:24 AM10/25/12
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Reading the posts again, maybe we could try to fit into the CrossDesktop devroom?

One thing we could use is interaction with FreeDesktop.org and Canonical. Ubuntu's global menus system integration would be helpful, as well as better integration with window managers for the document architecture apps. FOSDEM is probably a good place to interact with people who could push for proper standardization of global menus and document windows.

Fitting some talks into the CrossDesktop room to demonstrate what kind of help we need in order to more easily enhance the experience of AppKit-based apps would probably be good in getting people to see GNUstep as another place where useful enhancements happen in free desktop. Specifying related URLs for a window on the X11 level in FreeDesktop, and then having other window managers make use of this URL, would probably be something people could get behind.

Pirmin Braun

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Oct 25, 2012, 12:18:58 PM10/25/12
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not a devroom but a GNUstep related event:
https://penta.fosdem.org/submission/FOSDEM13/event/987
not yet approved

in case someone organises a meeting room at another location, hotel or whatever, I'll contribute 100,-- to cover expenses

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Pirmin Braun

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Oct 25, 2012, 7:11:57 AM10/25/12
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not a devroom but a GNUstep related event:
https://penta.fosdem.org/submission/FOSDEM13/event/987
not yet approved

Am Thu, 25 Oct 2012 13:17:41 +0200
schrieb Gerold Rupprecht <ger...@bluewin.ch> :

> Hi Lars,
>
> Thanks for your efforts.
>
> Can you say anything about the selection criteria?
>
> We have enjoyed FOSDEM presence since the beginning so I am interested
> to know why the organizers are giving preference to others. What can we
> do to make our project have greater value for FOSDEM?
>
> These people are putting in a tremendous effort at organizing, finding
> sponsors, volonteers and I really appreciate their efforts. It has
> always been a highlight for me to meet other people interested in
> GNUstep each year at FOSDEM.
>
> One thing that comes to mind is the often difficult access to our code
> within various distributions /OSs. The code which is available has often
> been in a frustrating state where getting the code up and running.
>
> Are reviewers finding it difficult and time-consuming?
>
> What are the FOSDEM organizers looking at?
>
> We have even had the support of Richard Stallman for our project, so I
> am still convinced GNUstep has strategic value for Free Software.
>
> What are the other projects doing that presents them as being a better
> investment for their time and resources than our project?
>
> Can we set a priority to fill in the gaps to again meet their
> standards?
>
> I have great admiration for the current and past contributors to GNUstep
> and the overall quality of work. We have had investments from Google
> summer of code for a number of contributions, so technically, I have no
> doubt as to the value of the produced code.
>
> The current efforts to creating debian packaging that is more current is
> a good move in the right direction (big thanks to all contributors).
> Would more automatic regression tests be of help to get better ratings?
>
> Any thoughts and suggestions would be most welcome.
>
> Would it be appropriate for us to graft ourselves onto the Testing and
> Automation group (Saturday) or the Configuration / Systems Management
> group (Sunday) this year?
>
> What is the interest to organize a meeting nearby to FOSDEM?
>
> I really want to see GNUstep at FOSDEM again.
>
> All comments and suggestions welcome.
>
> Thanks,
>

Pirmin Braun

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Oct 26, 2012, 5:07:07 PM10/26/12
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Am Fri, 26 Oct 2012 22:39:46 +0200
schrieb "Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller" <h...@goldelico.com> :


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that's what I've submitted:
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IntarS is not PHP

High Level Web Application Development with IntarS

IntarS stands for "International, agile, real time Software".
IntarS offers a high level Development Environment for building Database centric Web Applications using agile methods. It creates flexible, performant, stable Applications and has proven its reliability in more than 12 years of running Enterprise Applications. IntarS works without PHP, Ajax and Java. Instead it's built with ObjectiveC on GNUStep.

1) short Demo of a real world Web Application built with IntarS just to show what can be done and how fast the elaborate UI is

2) show how it is done:
Data Modelling
Adding constraints and rules
Building Moduls
Customizing the Layout
Introduce the Programming Support by adding Custom Behavior: Events and Buttons
Building Plugins and Processes
Explain the paradigms: Programming by Example, Merge, Convention, Agile programming in real time
Show some random highlights: Printing support with PDF, Graphics with SVG, I14n, Batch Jobs and Operating Support or whatever the audience is interested in

3) where to get it, howto install, howto start, howto use for your own project, howto join
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h...@computer.org

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Nov 9, 2012, 6:22:07 AM11/9/12
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On 25 Okt., 11:42, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller <h...@goldelico.com>
wrote:
> Am 25.10.2012 um 12:29 schrieb Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf:
>
> > Sadly we are not among them :-(
>
> Or we must do what many other projects are doing: organize our own
> conference[s] (hackathons, AlpenSTEP, ...). I have no idea if it is possible
> to get a conference room @ some hotel @ Brussels @ friday before
> FOSDEM. Is there someone from Belgium here on this list and could
> try to find out?

Anyone organizing such a meeting in the near future?

I would volunteer to talk about (IMHO it does not fit into FOSDEM's
tracks and topics):

"Why to reinvent the wheel?"
* latest progress of Simple WebKit
* reverse engineered OSX compatible Distributed Objects for *step

Nikolaus

Riccardo Mottola

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Nov 9, 2012, 10:24:06 AM11/9/12
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Hi,
I absolutely miss AlpenSTEP 2012.. we didn't organize it yet: it would
provide time to clean-up SWK.. just enough to present it better, but
also work on other GUI and APP related topics.
It is a good idea to add a "general" meeting day for others and/or just
invite others.

Riccardo


David Chisnall

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Nov 9, 2012, 10:28:00 AM11/9/12
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On 9 Nov 2012, at 03:22, h...@computer.org wrote:

>> Or we must do what many other projects are doing: organize our own
>> conference[s] (hackathons, AlpenSTEP, ...). I have no idea if it is possible
>> to get a conference room @ some hotel @ Brussels @ friday before
>> FOSDEM. Is there someone from Belgium here on this list and could
>> try to find out?
>
> Anyone organizing such a meeting in the near future?

I would be happy to host such an event in Cambridge. It's easy to get to from anywhere with a Eurostar connection (change at King's Cross and then 45 minutes more on the train) and over either Easter or the summer we can get college accommodation relatively cheaply.

David

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Fred Kiefer

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Nov 11, 2012, 12:54:27 PM11/11/12
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On 09.11.2012 16:28, David Chisnall wrote:
> On 9 Nov 2012, at 03:22, h...@computer.org wrote:
>
>>> Or we must do what many other projects are doing: organize our
>>> own conference[s] (hackathons, AlpenSTEP, ...). I have no idea if
>>> it is possible to get a conference room @ some hotel @ Brussels @
>>> friday before FOSDEM. Is there someone from Belgium here on this
>>> list and could try to find out?
>>
>> Anyone organizing such a meeting in the near future?
>
> I would be happy to host such an event in Cambridge. It's easy to
> get to from anywhere with a Eurostar connection (change at King's
> Cross and then 45 minutes more on the train) and over either Easter
> or the summer we can get college accommodation relatively cheaply.

And don't forget to mention Stansted airport, which is just 30 minutes
by train away!
A meeting in Cambridge sounds very attractive to me. But then I am
biased here, having worked there for a few years.

Fred


Pirmin Braun

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Dec 17, 2012, 5:53:36 PM12/17/12
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my talk has been rejected. So sad.
What about the idea to organize our own meeting room in a hotel?

Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller

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Dec 18, 2012, 4:21:13 PM12/18/12
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Am 17.12.2012 um 23:53 schrieb Pirmin Braun:

> my talk has been rejected. So sad.
> What about the idea to organize our own meeting room in a hotel?

Good idea. I will be in Brussels from Friday noon.

Maybe:

http://www.sleepwell.be/en/meeting-rooms-brussels-conferences-seminars

But is nobody from Belgium on this list who could organize that a little?

Nikolaus

David Chisnall

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Dec 28, 2012, 9:28:51 AM12/28/12
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I'm going to be giving a talk about Étoilé in the Smalltalk DevRoom (and would like to get some demos working before then, so spending some time making Quentin fix bugs is probably useful) and hopefully a talk in the BSD DevRoom.

I was thinking of booking a room in the Argus, arriving Friday and leaving Monday morning (to spend a couple of days in Lille on the way back). Does the Argus have a sensible lobby or meeting room that we could use (I've not stayed there before, but it seems to be the place GNUstep people are booking?).

Arriving around lunch time on Friday also sounds easy for me. What do people think about Big Mama for dinner again on either Friday or Sunday evening?

David
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