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Reinhard Kotucha

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Aug 31, 2019, 6:08:24 PM8/31/19
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Hi everybody,
the (obviously quite old) version of VM I'm currently using doesn't
work with Emacs 26. How can I get the latest release?

It seems that everything I found in the internet is utterly outdated.
Is there a maintained official website?

Regards,
Reinhard

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Piet van Oostrum

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Sep 1, 2019, 11:43:40 AM9/1/19
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Reinhard Kotucha <reinhard...@web.de> writes:

> Hi everybody,
> the (obviously quite old) version of VM I'm currently using doesn't
> work with Emacs 26. How can I get the latest release?
>
> It seems that everything I found in the internet is utterly outdated.
> Is there a maintained official website?

There are no current distributions that work with Emacs 26.

Here are two patches that made it work for me.

https://bugs.launchpad.net/vm/+bug/1627814
https://bugs.launchpad.net/vm/+bug/1763377

Or you can get the code from the trunk on https://launchpad.net/vm/ and try to get that working.
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Julian Bradfield

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Sep 1, 2019, 12:43:59 PM9/1/19
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On 2019-08-31, Reinhard Kotucha <reinhard...@web.de> wrote:
> the (obviously quite old) version of VM I'm currently using doesn't
> work with Emacs 26. How can I get the latest release?

The "latest release" is 8 years old.
I'm afraid if you want it to work with fsfmacs 26, you probably need
to fix it yourself. Join the team :)

(My biggest reason for not switching to FSF Emacs is that they keep
changing it. I like stable software for my core business.)

Uday Reddy

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Sep 2, 2019, 6:05:49 AM9/2/19
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Please see the web page,

http://www.nongnu.org/viewmail/

which also points to the launchpad hosting site.

The latest unofficial release is 8.2.0b, which you can download from
launchpad. If that doesn't work with Emacs 26, you would need to get the
trunk. Please see the README file in the VM distribution for how to get it.
You can also download a tarball from the launchpad.

You haven't said which version you are currently using. If you jump too many
versions at one go, you will likely see surprises. It is best to upgrade one
version at a time.

Cheers,
Uday

PS: By the way, Emacs 26.2 crashed before I was able to send this
message. It is not entirely stable, but a lot better than 26.1.

Kurt Hackenberg

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Sep 2, 2019, 3:41:25 PM9/2/19
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On 2019-09-02 06:05, Uday Reddy wrote:

> The latest unofficial release is 8.2.0b, which you can download from
> launchpad. If that doesn't work with Emacs 26...

It doesn't. A few of us here got that surprise when Emacs 26 came out, a
year or so ago. It came up on this list.

> PS: By the way, Emacs 26.2 crashed before I was able to send this
> message. It is not entirely stable, but a lot better than 26.1.

Huh. I've had no trouble with Emacs 26.

Reinhard Kotucha

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Sep 2, 2019, 5:53:46 PM9/2/19
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On 2019-09-02 at 11:05:18 +0100, Uday Reddy wrote:

> Please see the web page,
>
> http://www.nongnu.org/viewmail/
>
> which also points to the launchpad hosting site.
>
> The latest unofficial release is 8.2.0b, which you can download
> from launchpad. If that doesn't work with Emacs 26, you would need
> to get the trunk. Please see the README file in the VM distribution
> for how to get it. You can also download a tarball from the
> launchpad.
>
> You haven't said which version you are currently using. If you jump
> too many versions at one go, you will likely see surprises. It is
> best to upgrade one version at a time.

Hi Uday,
I used 8.2.0b and assumed that there is a newer release because I
didn't care for years.

However, I'm now writing this mail with emacs-26.3 and the latest vm
from the launchpad bzr repository. Seems that it works.

Thanks,

Robert Marshall

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Sep 3, 2019, 5:20:26 AM9/3/19
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On Mon, Sep 02 2019, Kurt Hackenberg <k...@panix.com> wrote:

> On 2019-09-02 06:05, Uday Reddy wrote:
>
>> The latest unofficial release is 8.2.0b, which you can download from
>> launchpad. If that doesn't work with Emacs 26...
>
> It doesn't. A few of us here got that surprise when Emacs 26 came out,
> a year or so ago. It came up on this list.
>

I think the issue was mail-yank-hooks, I commented out that line in
vm-reply and compiled and it was fine.

>> PS: By the way, Emacs 26.2 crashed before I was able to send this
>> message. It is not entirely stable, but a lot better than 26.1.
>
> Huh. I've had no trouble with Emacs 26.
>
Me neither, submit a bug! Though 26.3 is now out mainly a bug fix release.

Robert
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Stefan Monnier

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Sep 4, 2019, 1:28:25 PM9/4/19
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> (My biggest reason for not switching to FSF Emacs is that they keep
> changing it. I like stable software for my core business.)

Note that Emacs-24 has not changed very much over the last few years ;-)


Stefan


Ulrich Mueller

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Sep 4, 2019, 3:03:42 PM9/4/19
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Even that isn't entirely true, because (especially for GNU Emacs 24)
there are rather large changes between minor versions.

The latest released VM version 8.2.0b runs reasonably well with
Emacs 24.3, but for later versions there is breakage. For example,
VM's PGP encryption/decryption is no longer usable, starting with
Emacs 24.4.

Ulrich

Daniel Barrett

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Sep 4, 2019, 3:11:49 PM9/4/19
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On September 4, 2019, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
>VM's PGP encryption/decryption is no longer usable, starting with
>Emacs 24.4.

Have you tried EasyPG commands in a VM buffer?

https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_mono/epa.html

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Stefan Monnier

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Sep 4, 2019, 3:25:40 PM9/4/19
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>>> (My biggest reason for not switching to FSF Emacs is that they keep
>>> changing it. I like stable software for my core business.)
>> Note that Emacs-24 has not changed very much over the last few years ;-)
> Even that isn't entirely true, because (especially for GNU Emacs 24)

I guess it depends on your interpretation of "last few years", but it
hasn't changed at all in the last 4 years, and has only changed very
little over the last almost 5 years. So I stand by my claim ;-)


Stefan


Ulrich Mueller

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Sep 4, 2019, 3:31:59 PM9/4/19
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>>>>> On Wed, 04 Sep 2019, Daniel Barrett wrote:

>> VM's PGP encryption/decryption is no longer usable, starting with
>> Emacs 24.4.

> Have you tried EasyPG commands in a VM buffer?

> https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_mono/epa.html

I was referring to vm-pgg.el, i.e. vm-pgg-encrypt, vm-pgg-sign etc.
IIRC, these won't work for 24.4 onwards. And it was merely an example,
there are more things that are broken with later Emacs versions.

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