Does the most recent Mailcrypt support something else than inline PGP?
Merciadri Luca
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Hi,
Does the most recent Mailcrypt
(http://sourceforge.net/projects/mailcrypt/) support something else
than inline PGP as a GPG support? There are many reasons
(e.g. http://josefsson.org/inline-openpgp-considered-harmful.html)
which justify the use of PGP/MIME. I tried
==
;; Automcatically sign when sending mails
; (add-hook 'message-send-hook 'mml-secure-message-sign-pgpmime)
;; only sign
;(add-hook 'gnus-message-setup-hook 'mml-secure-message-sign-pgpmime)
;;; only encrypt
; (add-hook 'gnus-message-setup-hook
; (lambda ()
; (mml-secure-message-encrypt-pgpmime 1)))
==
but to no avail. Thanks.
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Adam Sjøgren
> Does the most recent Mailcrypt
Why do you insist on using Mailcrypt?
Just curious,
Adam
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Merciadri Luca
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as...@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes:
> On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 16:23:28 +0200, Merciadri wrote:
>
>> Does the most recent Mailcrypt
>
> Why do you insist on using Mailcrypt?
Well, one of my fundamental principles is that when something works as
I want it to, I do not change this `something' for something else. Why
not using Mailcrypt? It is still maintained, and it suits my needs! :)
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Adam Sjøgren
> as...@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes:
>> Why do you insist on using Mailcrypt?
> Well, one of my fundamental principles is that when something works as
> I want it to, I do not change this `something' for something else. Why
> not using Mailcrypt? It is still maintained, and it suits my needs! :)
a) Your signature separator keeps being broken (despite the lengthy
previous debate), b) You apparantly can't make it do non-inline PGP.
That is how you want it?
This is literally all the configuration I have in Gnus to use epg:
(setq mm-verify-option 'known
mm-decrypt-option 'known)
(setq gnus-buttonized-mime-types '("multipart/signed" "multipart/encrypted"))
... and that stuff is highly optional.
Best regards,
Merciadri Luca
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as...@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes:
> On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 21:58:57 +0200, Merciadri wrote:
>
>> as...@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes:
>
>>> Why do you insist on using Mailcrypt?
>
>> Well, one of my fundamental principles is that when something works as
>> I want it to, I do not change this `something' for something else. Why
>> not using Mailcrypt? It is still maintained, and it suits my needs! :)
>
> a) Your signature separator keeps being broken (despite the lengthy
> previous debate), b) You apparantly can't make it do non-inline PGP.
>
> That is how you want it?
No. Clearly.
>
> This is literally all the configuration I have in Gnus to use epg:
>
> (setq mm-verify-option 'known
> mm-decrypt-option 'known)
> (setq gnus-buttonized-mime-types '("multipart/signed" "multipart/encrypted"))
>
> ... and that stuff is highly optional.
Well, if I try this, my Gnus can't find my news-server anymore. Weird.
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Merciadri Luca
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Another problem is that I am currently not sufficiently competent with
emacs, in general, to understand how to make another gpg client work.
(That's not a secret.)
I read
==
http://www.mail-archive.com/info-gnu...@gnu.org/msg03653.html
==
and instructions are not the same as the ones you gave me just before,
for example.
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Adam Sjøgren
> Another problem is that I am currently not sufficiently competent with
> emacs, in general, to understand how to make another gpg client work.
I literally don't have to do _any_ configuration to make epg work. It
works out-of-the-box for me.
Best regards,
Adam
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Merciadri Luca
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as...@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes:
> On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 09:52:05 +0200, Merciadri wrote:
>
>> Another problem is that I am currently not sufficiently competent with
>> emacs, in general, to understand how to make another gpg client work.
>
> I literally don't have to do _any_ configuration to make epg work. It
> works out-of-the-box for me.
Not for me, as you can see. If I were to understand why, I'd switch
more voluntarily to EPG.
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Adam Sjøgren
> Not for me, as you can see. If I were to understand why, I'd switch
> more voluntarily to EPG.
How can I see that? What happened when you tried? (I.e. removed all
Mailcrypt configuration)
Best regards,
Adam
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Merciadri Luca
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as...@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes:
> On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 14:55:47 +0200, Merciadri wrote:
>
>> Not for me, as you can see. If I were to understand why, I'd switch
>> more voluntarily to EPG.
>
> How can I see that? What happened when you tried? (I.e. removed all
> Mailcrypt configuration)
I removed all the Mailcrypt config, and my Gnus couldn't find my
news-server anymore. Weird, as it should not be linked.
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Adam Sjøgren
> I removed all the Mailcrypt config, and my Gnus couldn't find my
> news-server anymore. Weird, as it should not be linked.
Try removing half of the configuration and see if it still works - if it
does, add half of what you removed back, if it doesn't, remove half of
what is still left. Repeat until you find the cause.
It should be quick :-)
Best regards,
Merciadri Luca
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as...@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes:
> On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 19:16:25 +0200, Merciadri wrote:
>
>> I removed all the Mailcrypt config, and my Gnus couldn't find my
>> news-server anymore. Weird, as it should not be linked.
>
> Try removing half of the configuration and see if it still works - if it
> does, add half of what you removed back, if it doesn't, remove half of
> what is still left. Repeat until you find the cause.
>
> It should be quick :-)
:-)
But you then understand why I do not like modifications like this!
N.B.: Your algorithm will always converge to a (somewhat)n exact
solution.
N.B.2: Your ø is not rendered at all (look e.g. at
<http://groups.google.com/group/gnu.emacs.gnus/browse_thread/thread/6ac790bee6ef870b#>),
in your signature.
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Merciadri Luca
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For the ø problem, it appears to be a Google-related problem, as my
Gnus correctly interprets it.
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Adam Sjøgren
> as...@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes:
>> Try removing half of the configuration and see if it still works - if it
>> does, add half of what you removed back, if it doesn't, remove half of
>> what is still left. Repeat until you find the cause.
>> It should be quick :-)
> :-)
> But you then understand why I do not like modifications like this!
You prefer slow?!
I can not imagine why you would not want to figure out why the seemingly
insane assertion that not using Mailcrypt means not being able to
connect to a news-server.
> N.B.: Your algorithm will always converge to a (somewhat)n exact
> solution.
Either a solution is exact or it isn't.
:-)
> N.B.2: Your ø is not rendered at all (look e.g. at
> <http://groups.google.com/group/gnu.emacs.gnus/browse_thread/thread/6ac790bee6ef870b#>),
> in your signature.
It looks fine on my news-server, but apparantly something on the way to,
or at, Google Groups has messed up the encoding, seemingly trying to
convert iso-8859-1 to utf-8.
Best regards,
Adam
Merciadri Luca
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as...@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes:
> On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 22:52:48 +0200, Merciadri wrote:
>
>> as...@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes:
>
>>> Try removing half of the configuration and see if it still works - if it
>>> does, add half of what you removed back, if it doesn't, remove half of
>>> what is still left. Repeat until you find the cause.
>
>>> It should be quick :-)
>
>> :-)
>
>> But you then understand why I do not like modifications like this!
>
> You prefer slow?!
>
> I can not imagine why you would not want to figure out why the seemingly
> insane assertion that not using Mailcrypt means not being able to
> connect to a news-server.
I can't understand why it does this when I deactivate Mailcrypt. But
that's what happens if I try this!
>
>> N.B.: Your algorithm will always converge to a (somewhat)n exact
>> solution.
>
> Either a solution is exact or it isn't.
Sure? Philosophical point of view. According to your says, a student
which does not obtain a mark of 100% for an exam has not given
solutions to all questions.
>
> :-)
>
>> N.B.2: Your ø is not rendered at all (look e.g. at
>> <http://groups.google.com/group/gnu.emacs.gnus/browse_thread/thread/6ac790bee6ef870b#>),
>> in your signature.
>
> It looks fine on my news-server, but apparantly something on the way to,
> or at, Google Groups has messed up the encoding, seemingly trying to
> convert iso-8859-1 to utf-8.
Yes.
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Adam Sjøgren
> I can't understand why it does this when I deactivate Mailcrypt. But
> that's what happens if I try this!
Why don't you want to find out why it happens?
>>> N.B.: Your algorithm will always converge to a (somewhat)n exact
>>> solution.
>> Either a solution is exact or it isn't.
> Sure? Philosophical point of view.
How would a "somewhat exact solution" to your problem look?
> According to your says, a student which does not obtain a mark of 100%
> for an exam has not given solutions to all questions.
I have never made such a statement. The above is purely made up by you.
Merciadri Luca
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as...@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes:
> On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 10:24:52 +0200, Merciadri wrote:
>
>> I can't understand why it does this when I deactivate Mailcrypt. But
>> that's what happens if I try this!
>
> Why don't you want to find out why it happens?
I tried, but to no avail. I did not try for hours, because I don't
like devoting much time to a light problem such as this one (I have
other problems to solve first).
>
>>>> N.B.: Your algorithm will always converge to a (somewhat)n exact
>>>> solution.
>
>>> Either a solution is exact or it isn't.
>
>> Sure? Philosophical point of view.
>
> How would a "somewhat exact solution" to your problem look?
Using the best PGP package with as few problems as possible.
>
>> According to your says, a student which does not obtain a mark of 100%
>> for an exam has not given solutions to all questions.
>
> I have never made such a statement. The above is purely made up by you.
Well, that's a basic inference.
What a student gives on his paper after an exam is a set of different
`solutions,' hoping one for each question, by definition.
These solutions are expected to be as much exact as possible. Or it is
possible for each sub-solution (which still inherits of `solution'
properties) not to answer totally correctly. Or it looks like you see
this with no `fuzzy logic:' it is either true or false, just like
boolean values. Then, if a student does not obtain a mark of 100%, he
has either failed at some question(s), or not answered at least at one
question.
My statement was too strong, and I realize it. But saying that a
solution is either correct or not is, at least to me, too
`black-and-white.' Between black and white, there's also gray :)
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Adam Sjøgren
> I tried, but to no avail. I did not try for hours, because I don't
> like devoting much time to a light problem such as this one (I have
> other problems to solve first).
Fair enough. It sounded like you didn't try at all, that is why I was on
your case so much.
>> How would a "somewhat exact solution" to your problem look?
> Using the best PGP package with as few problems as possible.
How is that a somewhat exact solution to the problem of finding out what
messes up your configuration when you take Mailcrypt out of the
equation?
[...]
> What a student gives on his paper after an exam is a set of different
> `solutions,' hoping one for each question, by definition.
> These solutions are expected to be as much exact as possible.
This sentence doesn't make sense to me. Either a solution is exact, or
it isn't - now, a solution might be almost correct, somewhat correct,
mostly wrong or entirely wrong, for instance, but it is either exact or
it isn't.
[...]
> But saying that a solution is either correct or not is, at least to
> me, too `black-and-white.' Between black and white, there's also gray
> :)
I never said that a solution was either _correct_ or not. Again you are
putting words in my mouth. Please try to avoid this, it is rude.
I said a solution was either _exact_ or not. "correct" and "exact" are
very different words and concepts.
We clearly have problems understanding eachother; I'll stop trying and
crawl back in my hole now.
Merciadri Luca
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as...@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes:
> On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 22:51:17 +0200, Merciadri wrote:
>
>> I tried, but to no avail. I did not try for hours, because I don't
>> like devoting much time to a light problem such as this one (I have
>> other problems to solve first).
>
> Fair enough. It sounded like you didn't try at all, that is why I was on
> your case so much.
I tried, but not so much.
>
>>> How would a "somewhat exact solution" to your problem look?
>
>> Using the best PGP package with as few problems as possible.
>
> How is that a somewhat exact solution to the problem of finding out what
> messes up your configuration when you take Mailcrypt out of the
> equation?
Because I take Mailcrypt out of the equation to try a better PGP client.
>
> [...]
>
>> What a student gives on his paper after an exam is a set of different
>> `solutions,' hoping one for each question, by definition.
>
>> These solutions are expected to be as much exact as possible.
>
> This sentence doesn't make sense to me. Either a solution is exact, or
> it isn't - now, a solution might be almost correct, somewhat correct,
> mostly wrong or entirely wrong, for instance, but it is either exact or
> it isn't.
So, I thought exactitude was not the same as correctness, for you.
>
> [...]
>
>> But saying that a solution is either correct or not is, at least to
>> me, too `black-and-white.' Between black and white, there's also gray
>> :)
>
> I never said that a solution was either _correct_ or not. Again you are
> putting words in my mouth. Please try to avoid this, it is rude.
>
> I said a solution was either _exact_ or not. "correct" and "exact" are
> very different words and concepts.
That's the origin of (my) misapprehension.
>
> We clearly have problems understanding eachother; I'll stop trying and
> crawl back in my hole now.
I do this to understand what you think, not to be rude, or something
else. All my remarks can be commented, and they do not claim
correctness. That's just a matter of point of view. I like debating on
various topics to understand each-other's point of view, because
that's the way I learn the most from others.
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