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Rafi Khan

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Jul 9, 2020, 1:25:12 AM7/9/20
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Hi all,

I am new to gnus and mailing lists and have just setup Emacs with GNUS
and my email account.

This is just a test email so that I can confirm things are setup as
intended.

Further, is there a guide I can read to learn more about how to use
mailing lists? There's a lot of terminology in the gnus documentation
which I am unfamiliar with such as "post", "news" and "group". Some of
this can be inferred from the documentation and context but others are
not so clear to me.

Thanks,
Rafi Khan


Winston

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Jul 9, 2020, 2:37:35 AM7/9/20
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Rafi Khan <ra...@rafikhan.io> writes:
> I am new to gnus and mailing lists and have just setup Emacs with GNUS
> and my email account.
...
> Further, is there a guide I can read to learn more about how to use
> mailing lists? There's a lot of terminology in the gnus documentation
> which I am unfamiliar with such as "post", "news" and "group".

It's not email and not a mailing list, it's something called USENET.
There are articles and "newsgroups" and one "posts" articles to a
newsgroup. People subscribed to the newsgroup see the articles after a
small bit of propagation delay.

In some regards it's like social media, but it's a topic-oriented,
worldwide distributed system, rather than being centralized by a single
company like what most people think of when they hear the term "social
media".
-WBE

Alberto Luaces

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Jul 9, 2020, 3:31:59 AM7/9/20
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Rafi Khan writes:

> Hi all,
>
> I am new to gnus and mailing lists and have just setup Emacs with GNUS
> and my email account.
>
> This is just a test email so that I can confirm things are setup as
> intended.
>

Congratulations, it is working!

>
> Further, is there a guide I can read to learn more about how to use
> mailing lists? There's a lot of terminology in the gnus documentation
> which I am unfamiliar with such as "post", "news" and "group". Some of
> this can be inferred from the documentation and context but others are
> not so clear to me.

I don't know any, but I guess you are welcome to ask these things as you
need them.

That terminology comes from NNTP, which translated to today's terms
(although it is still in use, by the way) would be the (roughly)
equivalent of a forum read by "email". "Post" is still a post, a
message like this one; "news" would be the whole forum, hosting "groups"
— its channels, or mailing lists in email terms.

--
Alberto


Dmitry Alexandrov

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Jul 9, 2020, 11:51:03 AM7/9/20
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Rafi Khan <ra...@rafikhan.io> wrote:
> I am new to gnus and mailing lists and have just setup Emacs with GNUS and my email account.

Welcome!

> This is just a test email so that I can confirm things are setup as intended.

You are posting via Gmane, are not you? Thatʼs sort of fine for that list (and any list on (non)gnu.org), but not for every one on the Net. Posting in a normal way — by mailing to a list address (here: info-gnu...@gnu.org) via your mailserver (smtp.googlemail.com in your case) is generally more reliable.

> Further, is there a guide I can read to learn more about how to use mailing lists?

Lots of such guides were accumulated over the Net for decades, but I do not know any, thatʼs worth reading. They commonly contain not very relevant info, that overwhelm the newcomer, often — local-specific and outdated info, and sometimes — simply bullshit.

Basically, there is nothing to explain: mailing lists are supposed to be naturally familiar for anyone who is familiar with mail, that is simply to anyone. And despite all the joint efforts of some list-hosters, mail useragent designers and individuals to derail it, they are mostly indeed are.

The only mistake UI designers succeeded to teach users, though, is to to command ‘Reply to sender only’ instead of ‘Reply to all’, which is of course is not what you want while discussing things publicly. Yet in too many MUAs the latter in too concealed. Gnus, of course, is not one those, so you are safe here.

> There's a lot of terminology in the gnus documentation ‹…› Some of this can be inferred from the documentation and context, but others are not so clear to me.

Feel free to ask.
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Boris Dorestand

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Jul 9, 2020, 1:29:40 PM7/9/20
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Dmitry Alexandrov <d...@gnui.org> writes:

> Rafi Khan <ra...@rafikhan.io> wrote:

[...]

>> This is just a test email so that I can confirm things are setup as intended.
>
> You are posting via Gmane, are not you?

Nice that you checked where the OP was coming from. It happens to be
highly relevant as the OP is primarily interested in understanding the
context in which the OP is. The OP is indeed in the mailing list
context, since the OP is most likely posting to one. People assumed
otherwise likely due to the OP's terminology. We should now explain the
more abstract nature of these message exchanges: multiple media, a
single channel.

Rafi Khan

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Jul 9, 2020, 8:15:08 PM7/9/20
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Alberto Luaces <alu...@udc.es> writes:

> Congratulations, it is working!

Awesome :D
> I don't know any, but I guess you are welcome to ask these things as you
> need them.

Thanks!

So a few questions already.

1. I am using Gmail as the backend and received Dmitry Alexandrov's
reply in my inbox, but for some reason your reply wasn't there. I am
replying to you from the gmane group in gnus.

2. What is the difference between replying and forwarding in mailing
lists?

Should I be doing "F" or "R". They seems similar when the compose window
is created, hence my confusion.

Thanks,
Rafi


Adam Sjøgren

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Jul 10, 2020, 3:55:00 AM7/10/20
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Rafi writes:

> 1. I am using Gmail as the backend and received Dmitry Alexandrov's
> reply in my inbox, but for some reason your reply wasn't there. I am
> replying to you from the gmane group in gnus.

It's a common "problem" with mailing lists: Some people reply both to
the mailing list and directly to the person, some people only reply to
the mailing list.

The first strategy is useful if the person writing on the mailing list
isn't subscribed to it. (I find that an odd thing to do, and with Gmane,
where following a mailing list is very low friction, even more so).

There are some headers you can set to indicate your preference, but not
many email clients understand them.

> 2. What is the difference between replying and forwarding in mailing
> lists?

I think you are thinking of R.eply and F.ollow up?

For newsgroups (e.g. Gmane) R sends to the author only, and F sends to
the group. (S W sends to both.)

For email, you can think of R in Gnus as "Reply", and F as "Reply All".

It's more complicated than that (of course, this is Emacs), but it's a
reasonable first approximation.

F and R quote the previous email, f and r don't.

I usually want to follow up in the newsgroup, rather than replying only
to the author, so to be reminded if I hit the wrong button, I've (asked
around, and somebody provided this small snippet to) add to my ~/.gnus:

; Warn if replying from a newsgroup:
(defadvice gnus-summary-reply (around asjo-reply-in-news activate)
(interactive)
(when (or (not (gnus-news-group-p gnus-newsgroup-name))
(y-or-n-p "Really reply? "))
ad-do-it))

which makes Gnus ask me if I really want to email the author instead of
following up in the newsgroup, if I happen to.


Best reards,

Adam

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Snap its spine"


Rafi Khan

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Jul 10, 2020, 8:27:31 PM7/10/20
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Adam Sjøgren via info-gnus-english <info-gnu...@gnu.org> writes:

Adam Sjøgren via info-gnus-english <info-gnu...@gnu.org> writes:

> The first strategy is useful if the person writing on the mailing list
> isn't subscribed to it. (I find that an odd thing to do, and with Gmane,
> where following a mailing list is very low friction, even more so).

I see, thank you for the explanation! I'm starting to understand now.

Thanks,
Rafi


황병희

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Aug 6, 2020, 8:53:44 AM8/6/20
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Hellow Rafi^^^

Rafi Khan <ra...@rafikhan.io> writes:

> Hi all,
>
> I am new to gnus and mailing lists and have just setup Emacs with GNUS
> and my email account.
>
> This is just a test email so that I can confirm things are setup as
> intended.
>
> Further, is there a guide I can read to learn more about how to use
> mailing lists? There's a lot of terminology in the gnus documentation
> which I am unfamiliar with such as "post", "news" and "group". Some of
> this can be inferred from the documentation and context but others are
> not so clear to me.
>
> Thanks,
> Rafi Khan

Welcome to the Gnus World^^^ Plus [1] looks good.
Most Gnus fan are at there [1].

[1] gmane.emacs.gnus.general

Sincerely, Gnus fan Byung-Hee

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^고맙습니다 _和合團結_ 감사합니다_^))//


Rafi Khan

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Aug 7, 2020, 9:07:06 PM8/7/20
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Hi Byung-Hee

soye...@doraji.xyz (황병희) writes:
> Welcome to the Gnus World^^^ Plus [1] looks good.
> Most Gnus fan are at there [1].
>
> [1] gmane.emacs.gnus.general

Awesome thanks, I am now subscribed :D

Thanks,
Rafi

황병희

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Aug 7, 2020, 10:31:47 PM8/7/20
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Dear Rafi,
Again thanks for using Gnus^^^
And thanks for using *BSD^^^ (from berkeley-unix)

Sincerely, Gnus fan Byung-Hee

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Emanuel Berg

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Aug 8, 2020, 11:40:10 AM8/8/20
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Be sure to add these groups, as well as
gmane.emacs.gnus.user ( = this one)

gmane.discuss
gmane.emacs.help
gmane.emacs.gnus.general
gmane.test

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