bug#7445: 23.2; weird customization behavior
David Abrahams
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Please describe exactly what actions triggered the bug
and the precise symptoms of the bug. If you can, give
a recipe starting from `emacs -Q':
If I do `M-x customize-group tramp' (even after starting with -Q), I see:
tramp-default-method-alist: Hide Value '(("\\`localhost\\'" "\\`root\\'" "su"))
State: CHANGED outside Customize; operating on it here may be unreliable. (mismatch)
Several things are wrong here:
* I see the regular variable name instead of capitalized words space
separated
* The structure of the variable doesn't seem to be known to customize
-- I don't get a nice editor
* It *wasn't* changed, at least not by me, outside of Customize
I managed, once, in an emacs started without -Q, to get
`M-x customize-variable tramp-default-method-alist'
To show me the structure of the variable, but I can't reproduce this.
It still tells me falsely that it is "CHANGED outside Customize;
operating on it here may be unreliable."
If Emacs crashed, and you have the Emacs process in the gdb debugger,
please include the output from the following gdb commands:
`bt full' and `xbacktrace'.
For information about debugging Emacs, please read the file
/Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/etc/DEBUG.
In GNU Emacs 23.2.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin, NS apple-appkit-1038.29)
of 2010-05-08 on black.local
Windowing system distributor `Apple', version 10.3.1038
configured using `configure '--host=x86_64-apple-darwin' '--build=i686-apple-darwin' '--with-ns' 'build_alias=i686-apple-darwin' 'host_alias=x86_64-apple-darwin' 'CC=gcc -mmacosx-version-min=10.5''
Important settings:
value of $LC_ALL: nil
value of $LC_COLLATE: nil
value of $LC_CTYPE: nil
value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil
value of $LC_MONETARY: nil
value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil
value of $LC_TIME: nil
value of $LANG: nil
value of $XMODIFIERS: nil
locale-coding-system: nil
default enable-multibyte-characters: t
Major mode: Custom
Minor modes in effect:
shell-dirtrack-mode: t
show-paren-mode: t
server-mode: t
global-auto-revert-mode: t
delete-selection-mode: t
tooltip-mode: t
mouse-wheel-mode: t
menu-bar-mode: t
file-name-shadow-mode: t
global-font-lock-mode: t
font-lock-mode: t
auto-encryption-mode: t
auto-compression-mode: t
line-number-mode: t
transient-mark-mode: t
Recent input:
M-p M-p M-p M-p M-n <return> M-p M-p M-p M-p M-p M-p
M-p M-p M-p M-p M-p M-p M-p M-p M-p M-p M-p M-p C-g
C-e M-x M-p <return> t r a m p - d e f <tab> m e <tab>
<return> C-. C-. C-. C-. C-, C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n
C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n
C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n
C-n C-n C-n C-n C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p
C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p
C-p C-p C-p C-p C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n
C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n
C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-p C-p C-p C-n M-x c u s t
o m <tab> - v a r <tab> <return> <return> C-n C-n C-n
C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n
C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-n
C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n
C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n
C-n C-n C-n C-n C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p
C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p
C-p C-p C-p C-p C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n
C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-p C-p
C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p
C-p C-p C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n M-x r e p o r t - e
m <tab> b u <tab> <return>
Recent messages:
Searching subfile emacs-7...
Searching subfile emacs-8...
Info-search: Search failed: "custom.*mismatch"
goto-history-element: Beginning of history; no preceding item [3 times]
Quit [2 times]
Mark set
Creating customization items...
Creating customization items ...done
Resetting customization items...done
Creating customization setup...done
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Dave Abrahams
BoostPro Computing
http://www.boostpro.com
martin rudalics
>
> tramp-default-method-alist: Hide Value '(("\\`localhost\\'" "\\`root\\'" "su"))
> State: CHANGED outside Customize; operating on it here may be unreliable. (mismatch)
>
> Several things are wrong here:
>
> * I see the regular variable name instead of capitalized words space
> separated
>
> * The structure of the variable doesn't seem to be known to customize
> -- I don't get a nice editor
These are normal. When something goes wrong, options show up this way
because the customization interface doesn't see a nice way to format and
edit them reliably.
> * It *wasn't* changed, at least not by me, outside of Customize
>
> I managed, once, in an emacs started without -Q, to get
>
> `M-x customize-variable tramp-default-method-alist'
>
> To show me the structure of the variable, but I can't reproduce this.
> It still tells me falsely that it is "CHANGED outside Customize;
> operating on it here may be unreliable."
Call `customize-rogue' for a list of options where customizing fails the
same way with emacs -Q. It's a nasty habit of programmers to ignore the
customization interface.
martin
David Abrahams
martin rudalics wrote:
>
> > If I do `M-x customize-group tramp' (even after starting with -Q), I see:
> >
> > tramp-default-method-alist: Hide Value '(("\\`localhost\\'" "\\`root\\'" "su"))
> > State: CHANGED outside Customize; operating on it here may be unreliable. (mismatch)
> >
> > Several things are wrong here:
<snip>
> These are normal. When something goes wrong, options show up this way
> because the customization interface doesn't see a nice way to format and
> edit them reliably.
>
<snip>
> Call `customize-rogue' for a list of options where customizing fails the
> same way with emacs -Q. It's a nasty habit of programmers to ignore the
> customization interface.
So what you're saying is that this is a Tramp bug. OK, filed with
`M-x tramp-bug'. Thanks.
Michael Albinus
> So what you're saying is that this is a Tramp bug. OK, filed with
> `M-x tramp-bug'. Thanks.
Shall be fixed now in the emacs-23 branch.
Best regards, Michael.