Gospel of Thomas Saying 18
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gnostic ken
Aug 31, 2012, 11:56:21 AM8/31/12
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18 - The disciples said to Jesus,
"Tell us, how will our end come?"
Jesus said, "Have you found the beginning, then,
that you are looking for the end?
You see, the end will be where the beginning is.
Congratulations to the one who stands at the beginning:
that one will know the end and will not taste death."
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18) The disciples said to Jesus,
"Tell us how our end will be."
Jesus said, "Have you discovered, then, the beginning,
that you look for the end? For where the beginning is,
there will the end be.
Blessed is he who will take his place in the beginning;
he will know the end and will not experience death."
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18.) The Disciples said to him:
Warn us how our end will be.
Jesus replied:
Have you already discovered
the beginning, now that
you are asking about the end?
Wherever the beginning is, there
shall be the end.
Blessed is he who stands
at the beginning, for he understands
the end without tasting death.
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18. The Disciples say to Y'shua:
Tell us how our end shall be. (Ps 39:4) || Y'shua says:
Have you then discovered the originº, so that you inquire
about the end?
For at the place where the origin is, there shall be the end.
Blest be he who shall stand at the origin--and
he shall know the end, and he shall not taste death.
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(18)
(1) The disciples said to Jesus: "Tell us how our end will be."
(2) Jesus said: "Have you already discovered the beginning
that you are now asking about the end?
For where the beginning is, there the end will be too.
(3) Blessed is he who will stand at the beginning.
And he will know the end, and he will not taste death."
...........................
What does this saying - say mean to you?
"Tell us, how will our end come?"
Jesus said, "Have you found the beginning, then,
that you are looking for the end?
You see, the end will be where the beginning is.
Congratulations to the one who stands at the beginning:
that one will know the end and will not taste death."
.........................
18) The disciples said to Jesus,
"Tell us how our end will be."
Jesus said, "Have you discovered, then, the beginning,
that you look for the end? For where the beginning is,
there will the end be.
Blessed is he who will take his place in the beginning;
he will know the end and will not experience death."
..........................
18.) The Disciples said to him:
Warn us how our end will be.
Jesus replied:
Have you already discovered
the beginning, now that
you are asking about the end?
Wherever the beginning is, there
shall be the end.
Blessed is he who stands
at the beginning, for he understands
the end without tasting death.
..........................
18. The Disciples say to Y'shua:
Tell us how our end shall be. (Ps 39:4) || Y'shua says:
Have you then discovered the originº, so that you inquire
about the end?
For at the place where the origin is, there shall be the end.
Blest be he who shall stand at the origin--and
he shall know the end, and he shall not taste death.
............................
(18)
(1) The disciples said to Jesus: "Tell us how our end will be."
(2) Jesus said: "Have you already discovered the beginning
that you are now asking about the end?
For where the beginning is, there the end will be too.
(3) Blessed is he who will stand at the beginning.
And he will know the end, and he will not taste death."
...........................
What does this saying - say mean to you?
gnostic ken
Sep 5, 2012, 2:35:10 PM9/5/12
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Fri Dec 5, 2003 1:13 pm, "Jenny" wrote:
The work we do on ourselves seems like a beginning, yet it has no
end for it will not produce an individual goal, but will accomplish
a greater eternal purpose.
Jenny
Sat Dec 6, 2003 2:47 pm, I said:
You were spirit and you will return to spirit. For spirit there is no
death.
The disciples are here thinking in terms of linear eschatology.
"Jesus" here cuts through the crap and directs them to their
origin in primal Unity, before the manifestation of
seeming diversity. Then Jesus states that the beginning and the
end are in the same place. This place is the Now, which is both
the Beginning and the End. And in this Now, one can see the death-
less Unborn, and never taste death. IMO.
Steve
"To fall seven times, to rise eight times,
life starts from Now." -Bodhidharma
The work we do on ourselves seems like a beginning, yet it has no
end for it will not produce an individual goal, but will accomplish
a greater eternal purpose.
Jenny
Sat Dec 6, 2003 2:47 pm, I said:
You were spirit and you will return to spirit. For spirit there is no
death.
Aug 29, 2006 07:47 PDT, I changed my answer just a bit to reflect my changing understanding of "spirit":
You were energy, you are energy and you will remain energy. For energy
there is no
death.
Ken
Aug 30, 2006 12:16 PDT, Gnostic Tom said:
could this be saying,
"what happens to you after death?
consider what you were before birth.
after your next death you will face
your next birth."
???
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Thomas Ragland (Gnostic Tom)
"So little time, so much to unlearn."
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Christ_And_Buddha
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Aug 31, 2006 08:22 PDT, slvan- said:
"We shall not cease from exploration and the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time."
T.S. Eliot
You were energy, you are energy and you will remain energy. For energy
there is no
death.
Ken
Aug 30, 2006 12:16 PDT, Gnostic Tom said:
could this be saying,
"what happens to you after death?
consider what you were before birth.
after your next death you will face
your next birth."
???
=====================================
Thomas Ragland (Gnostic Tom)
"So little time, so much to unlearn."
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Christ_And_Buddha
=====================================
Aug 31, 2006 08:22 PDT, slvan- said:
"We shall not cease from exploration and the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time."
T.S. Eliot
Fri Dec 21, 2007 7:48 am, letterpi said:
At-one-ment brings everything into one where
eternity(without time) exists and where alpha and omega are
united.
Without time there is no knowledge of death.
Warmly, Bob S
Fri Dec 21, 2007 9:38 am, itsallrozee said:
live for the now in the present, and every moment is a 'beginning
without end, and then even death is a beginning, because beginning
and end are here in this moment.
Fri Dec 21, 2007 10:22 pm, P3nn said:
I see this as a pointer to our spiritual journeys. We oft long to know where
it is going to take us and this is a reminder that this is to be where it
started, i.e. with ourselves. We are the start and end destination in our
spiritual journeys ;)
MP
p3nn
At-one-ment brings everything into one where
eternity(without time) exists and where alpha and omega are
united.
Without time there is no knowledge of death.
Warmly, Bob S
Fri Dec 21, 2007 9:38 am, itsallrozee said:
live for the now in the present, and every moment is a 'beginning
without end, and then even death is a beginning, because beginning
and end are here in this moment.
Fri Dec 21, 2007 10:22 pm, P3nn said:
I see this as a pointer to our spiritual journeys. We oft long to know where
it is going to take us and this is a reminder that this is to be where it
started, i.e. with ourselves. We are the start and end destination in our
spiritual journeys ;)
MP
p3nn
Thu Feb 5, 2009 7:25 pm, Steve said:
The disciples are here thinking in terms of linear eschatology.
"Jesus" here cuts through the crap and directs them to their
origin in primal Unity, before the manifestation of
seeming diversity. Then Jesus states that the beginning and the
end are in the same place. This place is the Now, which is both
the Beginning and the End. And in this Now, one can see the death-
less Unborn, and never taste death. IMO.
Steve
"To fall seven times, to rise eight times,
life starts from Now." -Bodhidharma
Fri Feb 6, 2009 1:56 pm, I said:
This always reminds me of the Big Bang-Big Crunch theory.
What I think it means is we came from spirit and will return to spirit.
Ken
This always reminds me of the Big Bang-Big Crunch theory.
What I think it means is we came from spirit and will return to spirit.
Ken
Wed Apr 28, 2010 8:43 am: Gnostic Tom said:
there's nowhere to go
there's nothing to accomplish
you are already home
Tom
there's nothing to accomplish
you are already home
Tom
Fri Apr 30, 2010 2:00 pm , Sam said:
End ... when mind regains serenity...
as it is... when a suckling-baby.
Contentment with life ... just as it be.
itso,
philo
as it is... when a suckling-baby.
Contentment with life ... just as it be.
itso,
philo
Sat May 1, 2010 10:07 am, Gnostic Tom said:
Krishna in the Bhagavad Gita explains to Arjuna:
the Eternal in man cannot kill and the Eternal in man cannot die.
Tom
the Eternal in man cannot kill and the Eternal in man cannot die.
Tom
28 Feb., 11 Clive said:
In Kabbalah we learn that the creator, a giving force, created a desire to receive. This desire is the only thing ever created, the rest of creation is a dominoe effect between these two forces of giving and receiving.
In the beginning everything seemed perfect, the creator giving pleasure and the creature receiving. We can compare this to a foetus in the womb, the mother providing everything the foetus desires.
This I see as the beginning state to which we return, in perfect harmony with the creator.
To get back to the beginning, is the end of the journey but we get back there with free will, unlike in the original foetal state.
In the beginning everything seemed perfect, the creator giving pleasure and the creature receiving. We can compare this to a foetus in the womb, the mother providing everything the foetus desires.
This I see as the beginning state to which we return, in perfect harmony with the creator.
To get back to the beginning, is the end of the journey but we get back there with free will, unlike in the original foetal state.
28 Feb., 11 I said:
Giving and receiving. The Big Bang expanding and gravity keeping it from expanding too fast.
28 Feb., 11 Clive said:
Jesus" here cuts through the crap and directs them to their
origin in primal Unity, before the manifestation of
seeming diversity.
Yes. Back to the original unity, before the Spitiual big bang that shattered the common soul into what we now experience as 7 billion pieces. to unite humanity back to its original oneness.
This state exists within us, we just need to strip away its covering of selfishness to find it.
origin in primal Unity, before the manifestation of
seeming diversity.
Yes. Back to the original unity, before the Spitiual big bang that shattered the common soul into what we now experience as 7 billion pieces. to unite humanity back to its original oneness.
This state exists within us, we just need to strip away its covering of selfishness to find it.
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