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gnostic ken
Jun 28, 2012, 1:53:08 PM6/28/12
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4.)
An old man heavy in years,
Will not hesitate
To ask a baby seven days old,
About the Place of Life.
And he shall live, for many
Who are first shall be last,
United within the Single One.
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4. Y'shua says:
The person old in days will not hesitate to ask a little child
of seven days concerning the place of life--and he shall live.
For many who are first shall become last, Error! Reference source
not
found..
And they shall become a single unity.
(Gen 2:2-3, 17:12, Mt 11:25-26, Lk 10:21)
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(04) Jesus says:
(1) "The person old in his days will not hesitate to ask a child
seven days old about the place of life, and he will live.
(2) For many who are first will become last,
(3) and they will become a single one."
An old man heavy in years,
Will not hesitate
To ask a baby seven days old,
About the Place of Life.
And he shall live, for many
Who are first shall be last,
United within the Single One.
...................................................
4. Y'shua says:
The person old in days will not hesitate to ask a little child
of seven days concerning the place of life--and he shall live.
For many who are first shall become last, Error! Reference source
not
found..
And they shall become a single unity.
(Gen 2:2-3, 17:12, Mt 11:25-26, Lk 10:21)
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(04) Jesus says:
(1) "The person old in his days will not hesitate to ask a child
seven days old about the place of life, and he will live.
(2) For many who are first will become last,
(3) and they will become a single one."
gnostic ken
Jun 30, 2012, 12:21:20 PM6/30/12
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Hi Clive,
Looks like I was thinking something similar in 2003.
Tue Sep 30, 2003 7:23 am, I said:
Forget what you have learned and ask the child (Christ) within.
The goal is to combine the physical (person old in days) and the
Christ (child within).
The goal is to combine the physical (person old in days) and the
Christ (child within).
Sun Jan 4, 2009 5:58 am, I saw it in a slightly different way:
IMO the little child is us. When dealing with the spirit it is best to
approach the spirit like a little child. No doubt, no mistrust, no
faith either. No preconceptions of any kind. Total acceptence of What
Is without preconditions.
Those who are able to do this are truly alive. The first, the little
child, becomes One with the adult and that One becomes One with the
Universe.
approach the spirit like a little child. No doubt, no mistrust, no
faith either. No preconceptions of any kind. Total acceptence of What
Is without preconditions.
Those who are able to do this are truly alive. The first, the little
child, becomes One with the adult and that One becomes One with the
Universe.
Ken
Wed Nov 5, 2003 6:50 pm, P3nn said:
To me it means that even the spiritually young have much insight into the
nature of God. To overlook their answers just because they are young,
disagree with you, etc, leads to spiritual stagnation and hence death as it
were.
MP
Penn
nature of God. To overlook their answers just because they are young,
disagree with you, etc, leads to spiritual stagnation and hence death as it
were.
MP
Penn
Wed Nov 5, 2003 2:04 pm, Woon said:
That saying ask you why children are often happy? How
to bring such reasons/mentality into adulthood?The
answer is within you, you just need to self-examine yourself.
to bring such reasons/mentality into adulthood?The
answer is within you, you just need to self-examine yourself.
Jul 13, 2006 11:49 PDT, Gnostic Tom said:
The Jesus of the gospels was surrounded by
know-it-alls. They could quote every verse in
the Bible. They tried to trick him, but he beat
them at their own game.
The Sadducees pose a trick question. In the context
of only using the first five books of the Bible as
authority, they could find no support for the concept
of resurrection, of life after death.
(Mark 12:23)
Jesus responded by quoting from what they valued
and proving them wrong (Mark 12:26-27).
He questioned their very concept of a Messiah to
come that was descended from David by quoting the
Psalms, the book most used to gather speculation
about the coming Messiah. (Mark 12:36-37).
In his own youthful childish way, Jesus confounded
the wise old experts.
What about reading the Thomas verse as:
The wisest and oldest of religious experts
could learn a lot from anyone who has been
a disciple (child) of Jesus for just 7 days.
This initiation meant more, its insights made
all of the old collected ideas obsolete. They
could carry their scrolls and memorize the words,
but the Jesus people could think on the fly,
in the present.
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Thomas Ragland (Gnostic Tom)
"So little time, so much to unlearn."
know-it-alls. They could quote every verse in
the Bible. They tried to trick him, but he beat
them at their own game.
The Sadducees pose a trick question. In the context
of only using the first five books of the Bible as
authority, they could find no support for the concept
of resurrection, of life after death.
(Mark 12:23)
Jesus responded by quoting from what they valued
and proving them wrong (Mark 12:26-27).
He questioned their very concept of a Messiah to
come that was descended from David by quoting the
Psalms, the book most used to gather speculation
about the coming Messiah. (Mark 12:36-37).
In his own youthful childish way, Jesus confounded
the wise old experts.
What about reading the Thomas verse as:
The wisest and oldest of religious experts
could learn a lot from anyone who has been
a disciple (child) of Jesus for just 7 days.
This initiation meant more, its insights made
all of the old collected ideas obsolete. They
could carry their scrolls and memorize the words,
but the Jesus people could think on the fly,
in the present.
=====================================
Thomas Ragland (Gnostic Tom)
"So little time, so much to unlearn."
Fri Sep 7, 2007 10:03 am, Buddhist Steve said:
In Judaism a child was circumcised on the 8th day. Hence
a child 7 days old is not yet officially limited by the conceptual
box of Judaism or any other "ism". "The place of life", imo, is
before any conceptualization. The number 7 also denotes the day
of rest in Judaism, and so "the place of life" is also the place
of rest from the existential anxiety of a fragmented life. On a
surface level, the first becoming last can simply mean that the
person of wealth and status is often the last to "get it", but on
a deeper level it can refer to the unification of Beginning and
End, the Alpha and Omega. GoT repeatedly dwells on the non-dual
Unitive Consciousness in which the "two become one". IMO.
-Steve
a child 7 days old is not yet officially limited by the conceptual
box of Judaism or any other "ism". "The place of life", imo, is
before any conceptualization. The number 7 also denotes the day
of rest in Judaism, and so "the place of life" is also the place
of rest from the existential anxiety of a fragmented life. On a
surface level, the first becoming last can simply mean that the
person of wealth and status is often the last to "get it", but on
a deeper level it can refer to the unification of Beginning and
End, the Alpha and Omega. GoT repeatedly dwells on the non-dual
Unitive Consciousness in which the "two become one". IMO.
-Steve
Fri Sep 7, 2007 10:39 am, Rosalie said:
To me it says, don't attempt to measure or judge another's level of
spiritual knowledge. Everyone knows something you don't know, and you know
some
things others don't. And perhaps it is saying the most valuable knowledge can
be
that which is innate and experiential rather than from formal education.
When you look for and can accept the good, the Life in others, you will have
greater life yourself and be on the road to becoming one with all Life. IMHO.
(Subject to change as more or different may come to me later.)
Rosalie
spiritual knowledge. Everyone knows something you don't know, and you know
some
things others don't. And perhaps it is saying the most valuable knowledge can
be
that which is innate and experiential rather than from formal education.
When you look for and can accept the good, the Life in others, you will have
greater life yourself and be on the road to becoming one with all Life. IMHO.
(Subject to change as more or different may come to me later.)
Rosalie
perhaps its speaking of the return to innocence, and seeking the
simplicity of truth.
the life force moving through the cycle of birth and death, finds the
beginning and the end are in the same place.
(so an old wise person near the end of their days,is closer to the
baby than is percieved with linear time).
also for me it alludes to the return of the ancestors, we are our own
ancestors.
simplicity of truth.
the life force moving through the cycle of birth and death, finds the
beginning and the end are in the same place.
(so an old wise person near the end of their days,is closer to the
baby than is percieved with linear time).
also for me it alludes to the return of the ancestors, we are our own
ancestors.
Fri Sep 7, 2007 1:06 pm, Gnostic Tom said:
like the beatnics of the 50s
or hippies of the 60s
thought that the younger generation
knew truths that the older generation
did not understand
the new wine is not put into old skins
those who used to be experts in the old order
are now novices in the new order,
and the playing field is balanced out.
what used to matter is now set aside,
so it doesn't matter if you have a phD in it or not
G n o s t i c T o m
or hippies of the 60s
thought that the younger generation
knew truths that the older generation
did not understand
the new wine is not put into old skins
those who used to be experts in the old order
are now novices in the new order,
and the playing field is balanced out.
what used to matter is now set aside,
so it doesn't matter if you have a phD in it or not
G n o s t i c T o m
Also the 7th letter in the Hebrew alephbet is Zayin which means Woman
of Valor http://www.inner.org/HEBLETER/zayin.htm
So perhaps we are talking about the unitive male/female consciousness
once again as on the 8th day it is the male that is circumcised and
taught to suppress his feminine nature.
of Valor http://www.inner.org/HEBLETER/zayin.htm
So perhaps we are talking about the unitive male/female consciousness
once again as on the 8th day it is the male that is circumcised and
taught to suppress his feminine nature.
Sat Sep 8, 2007 12:36 am, P3nn said:
If I were to try and interpret this in what I feel is its simplest form I'd
say it'd be something like:
If you think you know all there is about this or that, then bring in some new
eyes that have never looked at it and they'll teach you beyond what you know
MP
p3nn
say it'd be something like:
If you think you know all there is about this or that, then bring in some new
eyes that have never looked at it and they'll teach you beyond what you know
MP
p3nn
Sat Sep 8, 2007 11:39 am, Todd author of "Gnosis: Good News for the Third Millennium" said:
This speaks to me of the 'state of mind' in meditation which leads to
union and the Gnowledge of that union. This is directly parallel to
the Jesus saying that 'you must become as little children to enter
into the kingdom of God.'
In that 'state' there is an innocence of mind where all the layers of
education about who we are is laid aside - first becomes last - and we
Gno ourSelves as we truly are - an expression of that which is
eternally One, never truly separate from the 'kingdom of God.'
--
Best,
Todd
union and the Gnowledge of that union. This is directly parallel to
the Jesus saying that 'you must become as little children to enter
into the kingdom of God.'
In that 'state' there is an innocence of mind where all the layers of
education about who we are is laid aside - first becomes last - and we
Gno ourSelves as we truly are - an expression of that which is
eternally One, never truly separate from the 'kingdom of God.'
--
Best,
Todd
gnostic ken
Dec 31, 2012, 8:57:54 AM12/31/12
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Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:00 am, Sam said: Folk who hark back before "imposed-name"
will cognize deceit of the name-game.
Such folk gnow all-lifekind* is the-same*.
* = whatever icon preferred.
itso,
presence-of-omnipresence*
will cognize deceit of the name-game.
Such folk gnow all-lifekind* is the-same*.
* = whatever icon preferred.
itso,
presence-of-omnipresence*
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