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gnostic ken
Jul 7, 2012, 11:33:10 AM7/7/12
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Gospel of Thomas saying 7
7 Jesus said,
"Lucky is the lion that the human will eat,
so that the lion becomes human.
And foul is the human that the lion will eat,
and the lion still will become human."
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(7) Jesus said,
"Blessed is the lion which becomes man when consumed by man;
and cursed is the man whom the lion consumes,
and the lion becomes man."
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7.)
Blessed is the lion
Eaten by a man, so that
it becomes a man.
Profane is the man
eaten by a lion
so that he becomes a lion.
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7. Y'shua says:
Blestº be the lion which the human eats--
and the lion shall become human.
And accursed be the human which the lion eats--
and the [human] shall become [lion].
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(07) Jesus says:
(1) "Blessed is the lion that a person will eat
and the lion will become human.
(2) And anathema is the person whom a lion will eat
and the lion will become human."
"Lucky is the lion that the human will eat,
so that the lion becomes human.
And foul is the human that the lion will eat,
and the lion still will become human."
..................................................
(7) Jesus said,
"Blessed is the lion which becomes man when consumed by man;
and cursed is the man whom the lion consumes,
and the lion becomes man."
..................................................
7.)
Blessed is the lion
Eaten by a man, so that
it becomes a man.
Profane is the man
eaten by a lion
so that he becomes a lion.
...................................................
7. Y'shua says:
Blestº be the lion which the human eats--
and the lion shall become human.
And accursed be the human which the lion eats--
and the [human] shall become [lion].
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(07) Jesus says:
(1) "Blessed is the lion that a person will eat
and the lion will become human.
(2) And anathema is the person whom a lion will eat
and the lion will become human."
gnostic ken
Jul 8, 2012, 4:06:01 PM7/8/12
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Tue Sep 30, 2003 4:56 pm, Roadhouse Jack said:
The key to this puzzle lies in the fact that a group of lions is
called a "pride". So commonly the appearance of a lion in your
personal mythology will symbolize pride. It must be assimilated into
the general personality. One needs to see that one has potentially
the pride of a lion, an instinct to consider oneself superior to the
rest of mankind. Subjects will often give to a king the title
of "Lion" because they see him as being their superior by a lot !
Assimilating this means eating it ! Then this instinct will be
humanized. But if one is eaten up by pride, identified with this
wonderful superior person, then one has become foul and what is
instinctual takes on human form.
One of Jung's most difficult books is called AION. Google it.
There is a good picture of this Mithraic god called AION that has
> the body of a man and the head of a lion. Coiled round about him
is a huge serpent. AION means an age. You might say the age of AION
is characterized by a great pride amongst other things.
Jack
called a "pride". So commonly the appearance of a lion in your
personal mythology will symbolize pride. It must be assimilated into
the general personality. One needs to see that one has potentially
the pride of a lion, an instinct to consider oneself superior to the
rest of mankind. Subjects will often give to a king the title
of "Lion" because they see him as being their superior by a lot !
Assimilating this means eating it ! Then this instinct will be
humanized. But if one is eaten up by pride, identified with this
wonderful superior person, then one has become foul and what is
instinctual takes on human form.
One of Jung's most difficult books is called AION. Google it.
There is a good picture of this Mithraic god called AION that has
> the body of a man and the head of a lion. Coiled round about him
is a huge serpent. AION means an age. You might say the age of AION
is characterized by a great pride amongst other things.
Jack
Wed Oct 1, 2003 7:59 am, Jenny said:
There are two types of man depicted here, as I see it.
One who has transformed and integrated the lower base animal nature, and
one who is ruled by his animal instincts.
Jenny
One who has transformed and integrated the lower base animal nature, and
one who is ruled by his animal instincts.
Jenny
You are what you eat - what you consume (spritually as well as in the flesh) you
will become - pick your sides!!!
Thu Nov 13, 2003 7:37 pm, I said:
Here is the first thing that came to my mind:
Lion equals beast equals animal.
Human in this case represents spirit.
If the spirit part of us is stronger we will become enlightened.
If the animal part of us is stronger we will still eventually become
enlightened.
Ken
Jul 20, 2006 10:23 PDT, Gnostic Tom said:
The lion (Leo) symbol for identity, for individuality,
for the roaring ego, the shining individual.
The man (Aquarius) symbol for community, for
unity, for the movement.
The lion (spiritual seeker) becomes a martyr,
is consumed by the surrounding culture, and yet
in that being consumed has the effect of
transforming the world.
The world (the old man as Paul put it) is
destined to go away as the young lions take over.
just some thoughts related to my recent studies
of zodiac
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Thomas Ragland (Gnostic Tom)
"So little time, so much to unlearn."
The lion (Leo) symbol for identity, for individuality,
for the roaring ego, the shining individual.
The man (Aquarius) symbol for community, for
unity, for the movement.
The lion (spiritual seeker) becomes a martyr,
is consumed by the surrounding culture, and yet
in that being consumed has the effect of
transforming the world.
The world (the old man as Paul put it) is
destined to go away as the young lions take over.
just some thoughts related to my recent studies
of zodiac
=====================================
Thomas Ragland (Gnostic Tom)
"So little time, so much to unlearn."
Wed Sep 26, 2007 12:57 pm, Gnostic Tom said:
if lion is ego
and human is spirit:
it is a lucky ego that becomes mastered by
a strong spirit and becomes a good tool for
consciousness
it is an unluck spirit that becomes mastered by
a strong ego that becomes a bad tool for
consciousness
and human is spirit:
it is a lucky ego that becomes mastered by
a strong spirit and becomes a good tool for
consciousness
it is an unluck spirit that becomes mastered by
a strong ego that becomes a bad tool for
consciousness
It speaks of being devoured by ones animal nature, the base
instincts and passions and desires. and of mastering them.
instincts and passions and desires. and of mastering them.
Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:58 am, Buddhist Steve said:
Hi Rozee, Tom. To speak of mastering the ego
or mastering the instincts is problematic for
me. Who is it that is mastering what? Is not
the desire to master, to control and influence,
also not an impulse arising in the field of awareness?
And who is it that initiates this impulse to pull
the strings? Is this impulse, or any impulse, willed
into existence ex nihilo? Where does will originate? Are there
really two realms of being, that which wills and that
which is willed? Tom, on his Christ and Buddha list,
discussed recently the importance of witnessing.
Is not the idea that we are individuals willing
to master the "ego" and the "passions" also not
a phenomenon being witnessed as it arises in the
field of awareness? Where does this idea come from?
Any thoughts?
Yours,
Steve
or mastering the instincts is problematic for
me. Who is it that is mastering what? Is not
the desire to master, to control and influence,
also not an impulse arising in the field of awareness?
And who is it that initiates this impulse to pull
the strings? Is this impulse, or any impulse, willed
into existence ex nihilo? Where does will originate? Are there
really two realms of being, that which wills and that
which is willed? Tom, on his Christ and Buddha list,
discussed recently the importance of witnessing.
Is not the idea that we are individuals willing
to master the "ego" and the "passions" also not
a phenomenon being witnessed as it arises in the
field of awareness? Where does this idea come from?
Any thoughts?
Yours,
Steve
Thu Sep 27, 2007 11:25 am, Gnostic Tom said:
is the concept that we are individuals willing to
master the ego not the final demiurge to defeat
after all of the archons have been surpassed?
it has been an expedient means, as the Lotus
Sutra puts it, a vehicle, a raft to get us
across the stream and then abandoned.
and yet, Valentinus in his great wisdom
pondered that in the end the demiurge would
be saved by Christ. The lion becomes Son of Man.
G n o s t i c T o m
master the ego not the final demiurge to defeat
after all of the archons have been surpassed?
it has been an expedient means, as the Lotus
Sutra puts it, a vehicle, a raft to get us
across the stream and then abandoned.
and yet, Valentinus in his great wisdom
pondered that in the end the demiurge would
be saved by Christ. The lion becomes Son of Man.
G n o s t i c T o m
Okay, I have to stop now. Out of time. I'll continue tomorrow or when I have time.
Ken
gnostic ken
Jul 9, 2012, 2:39:12 PM7/9/12
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Thu Sep 27, 2007 8:03 pm, itsallrozee said:
G n o s t i c T o m
hi, i didn't explain that very well! I mean by mastering the
passions, to transmute that energy and take it higher. my idea of a
master, is a being who comes to know themselves, and rather than deny
the passions and desires, to master them and take them higher.
passions, to transmute that energy and take it higher. my idea of a
master, is a being who comes to know themselves, and rather than deny
the passions and desires, to master them and take them higher.
I have no interest in mastering my ego. Passion for me is the energy,
that drives us on. All aspects of self. without it, i would function
mechanically. I don't see
ego as exclusively negative either, It is has an important place in
my experience as an indicator. My ego is my accuser, and my accuser
is my teacher.
that drives us on. All aspects of self. without it, i would function
mechanically. I don't see
ego as exclusively negative either, It is has an important place in
my experience as an indicator. My ego is my accuser, and my accuser
is my teacher.
Maybe it relates to the divine spark that is within all creation.
The lion eaten by a human is "lucky" in that by eating the lion, the
human releases the lion's divine spark by transmuting it. But the
human eaten by a lion is simply one sad SOB who is now dead, but the
upward evolution of the divine spark that was in the human combines
with the lion's and eventually will move back up through humanity.
CL
The lion eaten by a human is "lucky" in that by eating the lion, the
human releases the lion's divine spark by transmuting it. But the
human eaten by a lion is simply one sad SOB who is now dead, but the
upward evolution of the divine spark that was in the human combines
with the lion's and eventually will move back up through humanity.
CL
that "transmute" idea is one I've been
searching for to explain my experiences
with emotional and intentional energies.
take a craving, a passion, and transmute it
into an artform.
take a sadness, a regret, a longing, and
transmute it into a song.
take a revulsion, an anger, a dislike,
and transmute it into actually doing something
to improve a situation.
so instead of being controlled by emotions,
by passions, by fears, by hate, and even by
love, tame the wild beasts and transmute them
into useful tools for life.
thanks.
searching for to explain my experiences
with emotional and intentional energies.
take a craving, a passion, and transmute it
into an artform.
take a sadness, a regret, a longing, and
transmute it into a song.
take a revulsion, an anger, a dislike,
and transmute it into actually doing something
to improve a situation.
so instead of being controlled by emotions,
by passions, by fears, by hate, and even by
love, tame the wild beasts and transmute them
into useful tools for life.
thanks.
G n o s t i c T o m
Fri Sep 28, 2007 9:18 am, P3nn said:
MM Guys
I see this a lil differently. The lion being those who are more beastly with
the teachings, aka, the dogmatics, etc. The human being more spiritually
advanced so to speak. The eating is the partaking of the others
teaching/doctrine. So the lion eating the human is the dogmatic partaking in
a higher level of teaching. Lucky in that he advances his understanding. The
human eating the lion is the other way around, he loses some understanding in
the confusion. But still the lion advances as the interchange is always 2 way
to some degree
mp
p3nn
I see this a lil differently. The lion being those who are more beastly with
the teachings, aka, the dogmatics, etc. The human being more spiritually
advanced so to speak. The eating is the partaking of the others
teaching/doctrine. So the lion eating the human is the dogmatic partaking in
a higher level of teaching. Lucky in that he advances his understanding. The
human eating the lion is the other way around, he loses some understanding in
the confusion. But still the lion advances as the interchange is always 2 way
to some degree
mp
p3nn
Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:43 am, Rosalie said:
There's no difference in the divinity or worthiness of humans compared to
animals, imo. They are equal expressions of the divine. No upward or downward
evolution there, only different places in the scheme of life. Completely
"in my opinion." In other words, it wouldn't improve the lion to be eaten by
the human (or vice versa).
But then if we take "lion" to allegorically represent our untamed passions,
then it's a whole different story.
Rosalie
animals, imo. They are equal expressions of the divine. No upward or downward
evolution there, only different places in the scheme of life. Completely
"in my opinion." In other words, it wouldn't improve the lion to be eaten by
the human (or vice versa).
But then if we take "lion" to allegorically represent our untamed passions,
then it's a whole different story.
Rosalie
Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:51 pm, Rick said:
Consuming passion seems a good defense against being consumed. Passions are
power, and denying them is foolish (IMO), but channeling them...
I suppose one must first learn to channel the ego.
Rick The Fool
power, and denying them is foolish (IMO), but channeling them...
I suppose one must first learn to channel the ego.
Rick The Fool
The lion is Leo or the sense of self without development. The human
is Aquarius or the self realized. The self will eventually be
realized but only by "eating" or acknowledging the animal/primal
instinctual self without judgement. If the primal overtakes the
human then instincts have won out over wisdom - temporarily.
is Aquarius or the self realized. The self will eventually be
realized but only by "eating" or acknowledging the animal/primal
instinctual self without judgement. If the primal overtakes the
human then instincts have won out over wisdom - temporarily.
Sat Sep 29, 2007 10:45 am, Buddhist Steve said:
Hi Tom. Well, I certainly don't have any hard-and-fast
answers on this, only questions and observations. On
one level, when I practice witnessing I see that what
I call "me" is a constant streaming: attention being
"pulled" here and there, thoughts arising spontaneously,
emotional reactions coloring those thoughts, physical
sensations giving rise to attraction or aversion. In
none of this do I see a "little person" in a Control
Room pushing buttons and pulling levers. In fact, what
I call "me" seems to be nothing more than this on-going
streaming held together in a "bundle" by memory, which
itself is not some absolute record but rather a creative
selection and editing. When witnessing I "see" that all
of this is not self-contained but is the dynamic outgrowth
of everything and everyone I have encountered just as "I"
have undoubtedly been an unavoidable factor in the life-
streaming of others. Hence, we are all arising inextricably
together, and I no longer know where I end and others begin.
And yet none of this is a problem except when I try to
conceptualize it into idea-boxes. I always come back to
Plotinus' enigmatic advice to "look in two directions
at once". In deep meditation there is a vast Emptiness
in which everything streams, and I am both the Emptiness
and the Streaming. Valentinus spoke of everything arising
and contained in The Father (Gospel of Truth). He also
noted that until we awaken to this we experience a nightmare
of egoic conflict and anguish. Perhaps in "looking in two
directions at once" the demiurgic ego-consciousness can rest
in the Fullness of Light and enjoy the show. Freke and Gandy
note that it is like sitting in a movie theater watching an
exciting show. If we cover our eyes like little children and
continually say to ourselves "It's only a movie! It's only a
movie!" then we spoil the show, but if we become so lost in the
movie that we forget that we are sitting in the theater watching
it then we become overwhelmed by our emotional identification
with it. The trick is to enjoy the show while at the same time
realizing that we aren't "in" the show, rather the show is
"in" us! But it's cool. "The play's the thing!" Bravo! Encore!
-Steve
answers on this, only questions and observations. On
one level, when I practice witnessing I see that what
I call "me" is a constant streaming: attention being
"pulled" here and there, thoughts arising spontaneously,
emotional reactions coloring those thoughts, physical
sensations giving rise to attraction or aversion. In
none of this do I see a "little person" in a Control
Room pushing buttons and pulling levers. In fact, what
I call "me" seems to be nothing more than this on-going
streaming held together in a "bundle" by memory, which
itself is not some absolute record but rather a creative
selection and editing. When witnessing I "see" that all
of this is not self-contained but is the dynamic outgrowth
of everything and everyone I have encountered just as "I"
have undoubtedly been an unavoidable factor in the life-
streaming of others. Hence, we are all arising inextricably
together, and I no longer know where I end and others begin.
And yet none of this is a problem except when I try to
conceptualize it into idea-boxes. I always come back to
Plotinus' enigmatic advice to "look in two directions
at once". In deep meditation there is a vast Emptiness
in which everything streams, and I am both the Emptiness
and the Streaming. Valentinus spoke of everything arising
and contained in The Father (Gospel of Truth). He also
noted that until we awaken to this we experience a nightmare
of egoic conflict and anguish. Perhaps in "looking in two
directions at once" the demiurgic ego-consciousness can rest
in the Fullness of Light and enjoy the show. Freke and Gandy
note that it is like sitting in a movie theater watching an
exciting show. If we cover our eyes like little children and
continually say to ourselves "It's only a movie! It's only a
movie!" then we spoil the show, but if we become so lost in the
movie that we forget that we are sitting in the theater watching
it then we become overwhelmed by our emotional identification
with it. The trick is to enjoy the show while at the same time
realizing that we aren't "in" the show, rather the show is
"in" us! But it's cool. "The play's the thing!" Bravo! Encore!
-Steve
Sat Sep 29, 2007 11:10 am, Buddhist Steve said:
Hi Rozee. In Buddhist jargon, "witnessing" means watching all
of the sensations, thoughts, feelings, emotional reactions,
ideas, memories and other transitory phenomena that are
constantly streaming through "our" field of awareness without
reactivity, as though you were watching cars and pedestrians
go by on the street from your front porch. We tend to imagine
that we intentionally will our thoughts into existence and
intentionally direct our attention to this or that, but in
my experience thoughts just arise and pass away on their own
while my attention is "pulled" here and there by sensations
entering my field of consciousness. Emotional reactions of
like or dislike arise automatically, and I can see that they
arise from previous conditioning, although much of that prior
conditioning is subconscious. If you would like to explore
this, all you need do is sit down and focus your attention
on your breathing, your continual cycle of inhalation and
exhalation. You can focus on either the sensation of air
passing in and out of your nostrils or on the rise and fall
of your belly as you breathe. Whenever a sensation, thought,
emotion or image distracts you from being aware of your
breathing, become objectively aware of the distraction for
what it is and then gently return to watching your breathing.
Your breathing will act as an "anchor" for your attention so
that you can become aware of all the transitory phenomena
that are constantly streaming across your field of awareness,
without becoming lost in identifying with those phenomena.
Set an alarm clock for 15 minutes and try this. It sounds
simple, but you will find your attention being continually
swept away by identifying with mental phenomena such as trains
of associative thought, totally forgetting your breathing for
periods of time. When you realize that you have been distracted,
just go back to your breathing. Good luck.
-Steve
of the sensations, thoughts, feelings, emotional reactions,
ideas, memories and other transitory phenomena that are
constantly streaming through "our" field of awareness without
reactivity, as though you were watching cars and pedestrians
go by on the street from your front porch. We tend to imagine
that we intentionally will our thoughts into existence and
intentionally direct our attention to this or that, but in
my experience thoughts just arise and pass away on their own
while my attention is "pulled" here and there by sensations
entering my field of consciousness. Emotional reactions of
like or dislike arise automatically, and I can see that they
arise from previous conditioning, although much of that prior
conditioning is subconscious. If you would like to explore
this, all you need do is sit down and focus your attention
on your breathing, your continual cycle of inhalation and
exhalation. You can focus on either the sensation of air
passing in and out of your nostrils or on the rise and fall
of your belly as you breathe. Whenever a sensation, thought,
emotion or image distracts you from being aware of your
breathing, become objectively aware of the distraction for
what it is and then gently return to watching your breathing.
Your breathing will act as an "anchor" for your attention so
that you can become aware of all the transitory phenomena
that are constantly streaming across your field of awareness,
without becoming lost in identifying with those phenomena.
Set an alarm clock for 15 minutes and try this. It sounds
simple, but you will find your attention being continually
swept away by identifying with mental phenomena such as trains
of associative thought, totally forgetting your breathing for
periods of time. When you realize that you have been distracted,
just go back to your breathing. Good luck.
-Steve
maybe using the term eating literally is too literal....
maybe we are talking about consuming philosophies,
spirituality etc....
The human learns from "consuming th elessons of the the
lion", but the lion, being a lion isn't capable of consuming
(learning) the spirituality of the human.....
Just an imo that popped into my head,,,
Ann
maybe we are talking about consuming philosophies,
spirituality etc....
The human learns from "consuming th elessons of the the
lion", but the lion, being a lion isn't capable of consuming
(learning) the spirituality of the human.....
Just an imo that popped into my head,,,
Ann
Lots of responses to this one. I'm out of time again so more tomorrow.
Ken
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Wed Oct 3, 2007 6:50 am, Gnostic Tom said:
G n o s t i c T o m
G n o s t i c T o m
i wonder if the human/lion dyad
is the male/female dyad?
the Jesus/Mary dyad?
the spiritual intentions/physical passions dyad?
i wonder what female lions are like in heat?
they would be a powerful symbol for anyone who
every got close to one, fierce yet beautiful.
what if the "becomes human" part of the verse
means to give birth? if there are two parents
and one is spiritually minded and the other is
carnally minded (a division present in Paul's
Epistles) then the offspring will end up being
like whichever parent is stronger, which is
more consuming. follow the father or mother
in spiritual pursuits? follow the father or
mother in sensual pursuits?
just musing out loud
is the male/female dyad?
the Jesus/Mary dyad?
the spiritual intentions/physical passions dyad?
i wonder what female lions are like in heat?
they would be a powerful symbol for anyone who
every got close to one, fierce yet beautiful.
what if the "becomes human" part of the verse
means to give birth? if there are two parents
and one is spiritually minded and the other is
carnally minded (a division present in Paul's
Epistles) then the offspring will end up being
like whichever parent is stronger, which is
more consuming. follow the father or mother
in spiritual pursuits? follow the father or
mother in sensual pursuits?
just musing out loud
G n o s t i c T o m
Thu Oct 4, 2007 2:23 am, Brenda said:
Tom,
Don't you think a person can be both spiritual and sensual?
I contend that sex, though carnal, can be a very spiritual experience
and that it is spiritually liberating to share ourselves fully with
another individual, without shame, regret, or any other negative
associations.
Brenda
Don't you think a person can be both spiritual and sensual?
I contend that sex, though carnal, can be a very spiritual experience
and that it is spiritually liberating to share ourselves fully with
another individual, without shame, regret, or any other negative
associations.
Brenda
Thu Oct 4, 2007 6:47 am, Gnostic Tom replied:
the spiritual and the sexual
considered alone or combined
are powerful forces
they can make us sell our souls
or enlighten us
they can make us obsessed with
what we can get, driven, evolving,
things to live for
I've seen religious institutions
trying to control the spiritual,
squelch the sexual,
creating mindless sheep
that are afraid to miss church.
I've seen the Almighty Dollar
influence which guys get the girls,
and love has a price that some
have to save up for.
When I was young,
I saw the hippie movement
distilled through black and white television,
free love, free expression of spirituality,
the two made one, at last,
what a wonderful age to be born into.
As Pink Floyd put it:
"When I was a child I caught a fleeting glimpse,
Out of the corner of my eye.
I turned to look but it was gone.
I cannot put my finger on it now.
The child is grown, the dream is gone.
I have become comfortably numb."
considered alone or combined
are powerful forces
they can make us sell our souls
or enlighten us
they can make us obsessed with
what we can get, driven, evolving,
things to live for
I've seen religious institutions
trying to control the spiritual,
squelch the sexual,
creating mindless sheep
that are afraid to miss church.
I've seen the Almighty Dollar
influence which guys get the girls,
and love has a price that some
have to save up for.
When I was young,
I saw the hippie movement
distilled through black and white television,
free love, free expression of spirituality,
the two made one, at last,
what a wonderful age to be born into.
As Pink Floyd put it:
"When I was a child I caught a fleeting glimpse,
Out of the corner of my eye.
I turned to look but it was gone.
I cannot put my finger on it now.
The child is grown, the dream is gone.
I have become comfortably numb."
G n o s t i c T o m
Fri Oct 5, 2007 12:25 am, Brenda answered:
Tom,
Imo, you can reconnect with the child (become the child) by letting go
of past pain and moving forward without it.
It takes time, but I believe those wounds can heal. Why choose to feel
numb when there is the possibility of ecstasy?
Brenda
Imo, you can reconnect with the child (become the child) by letting go
of past pain and moving forward without it.
It takes time, but I believe those wounds can heal. Why choose to feel
numb when there is the possibility of ecstasy?
Brenda
Thu Oct 4, 2007 7:07 pm, P3nn said:
MM Brenda
Again I agree here. Tis only the way we have been conditioned that puts sex
into a negative light. For something so natural there are a hell of a lot of
unatural taboos relating to it :(
MP
p3nn
Again I agree here. Tis only the way we have been conditioned that puts sex
into a negative light. For something so natural there are a hell of a lot of
unatural taboos relating to it :(
MP
p3nn
Fri Oct 5, 2007 12:54 am, Brenda said:
Penn,
There are so many adults who live their lives ashamed of their
sexuality and I think that is terribly depressing.
Imo, it's time to get back to the garden where where we can be naked
and unashamed when it comes to sex between consenting adults.
Brenda
There are so many adults who live their lives ashamed of their
sexuality and I think that is terribly depressing.
Imo, it's time to get back to the garden where where we can be naked
and unashamed when it comes to sex between consenting adults.
Brenda
This is how I read it.
The lion represents animal passion. If we control our passions then we do
not deny them, but we do not allow ourselves to be servant to them. This is
the path of moderation.
If we are bested by our passions, then we will find it hard to seek
enlightenment.
The part about the lion still becoming human, is that in either scenario the
passions are satisfied. But in the latter scenario the passions limit human
potential and provide a barrier to progress of the soul.
The lion represents animal passion. If we control our passions then we do
not deny them, but we do not allow ourselves to be servant to them. This is
the path of moderation.
If we are bested by our passions, then we will find it hard to seek
enlightenment.
The part about the lion still becoming human, is that in either scenario the
passions are satisfied. But in the latter scenario the passions limit human
potential and provide a barrier to progress of the soul.
Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:06 am, I asked:
Hi James,
Thank you.
Soul? Soul is one of those words most everyone uses but mean different
things when they do so.
How do you define the word soul?
Ken
Thank you.
Soul? Soul is one of those words most everyone uses but mean different
things when they do so.
How do you define the word soul?
Ken
Hrm, yes, I suppose this word does have many meanings and connotations.
When I use the word "soul" in this manner I am referring to the aspects of
the self that transcend the ego and material world. But not in the sense of
a soul that will either experience heaven or hell (two concepts in which I
don't believe). I don't take the term seriously and I mostly used it because
it usually conveys the sense of something "other" or "higher." Which is
easier than saying "that aspect of the self which is left after the barriers
of ego have been conquered." :)
The other idea of the soul being something that lasts after death... well,
that opens up a lot of questions. None of which I have answers for. I have
many ideas, none of which I am entirely sold on to the extent that I would
champion it above all others. But I would define my overall belief structure
as being very monistic, and while there may be multiple levels of being,
each with its own level of consciousness and lifetime within the dimension
of time, I do believe we are all part of the divine, that the universe is
one divine being. We are the consciousness of the universe experiencing
itself. So at the highest level, I believe there is only one soul, not
separate from the you, me, the physical world or any other level of
dimensions that may exist between our concept of us and the universe as one
soul. In the intermediate levels is where the questions lie, I believe. My
take on the demiurge is that our ego and subjective perception of the
material world are the "blind god" which separates us from true knowledge of
the universe. While it is easy to say that, it is much harder to bypass that
to achieve gnosis.
When I use the word "soul" in this manner I am referring to the aspects of
the self that transcend the ego and material world. But not in the sense of
a soul that will either experience heaven or hell (two concepts in which I
don't believe). I don't take the term seriously and I mostly used it because
it usually conveys the sense of something "other" or "higher." Which is
easier than saying "that aspect of the self which is left after the barriers
of ego have been conquered." :)
The other idea of the soul being something that lasts after death... well,
that opens up a lot of questions. None of which I have answers for. I have
many ideas, none of which I am entirely sold on to the extent that I would
champion it above all others. But I would define my overall belief structure
as being very monistic, and while there may be multiple levels of being,
each with its own level of consciousness and lifetime within the dimension
of time, I do believe we are all part of the divine, that the universe is
one divine being. We are the consciousness of the universe experiencing
itself. So at the highest level, I believe there is only one soul, not
separate from the you, me, the physical world or any other level of
dimensions that may exist between our concept of us and the universe as one
soul. In the intermediate levels is where the questions lie, I believe. My
take on the demiurge is that our ego and subjective perception of the
material world are the "blind god" which separates us from true knowledge of
the universe. While it is easy to say that, it is much harder to bypass that
to achieve gnosis.
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