Gospel of Thomas Saying 108
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gnostic ken
Nov 19, 2012, 8:15:05 AM11/19/12
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108 Jesus said, "Whoever drinks from my mouth will become like me;
I myself shall become that person, and the hidden things will be
revealed to him."
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108) Jesus said, "He who will drink from my mouth will become
like Me. I myself shall become he, and the things that are hidden
will become revealed to him."
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108.)
Whoever drinks from my mouth shall become like him.
For him, the hidden will be revealed.
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108. Y'shua says: Whoever drinks from my mouth shall become like me.
I myself shall become him, and the secrets shall be manifest to him.
gnostic ken
Nov 19, 2012, 8:21:31 AM11/19/12
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23 May 12, Clive said:
If we adopt the attributes of Christ, becoming more Christlike in our nature, we open up a door for Christ to enter and we shall become one.
IMO
Clive.
IMO
Clive.
24 May 12, I answered:
Yeah. That's good.
I think perhaps "drink from my mouth" was another idiom whose meaning would have been clear when it was written.
Ken
I think perhaps "drink from my mouth" was another idiom whose meaning would have been clear when it was written.
Ken
24 May 12, I said:
Hi Clive,
I think this one set a record for the least responses. In all the years I have been doing this I am the only one other than me who ever responded until now.
I think that's because it was an idiom which nobody understood.
Ken
I think this one set a record for the least responses. In all the years I have been doing this I am the only one other than me who ever responded until now.
I think that's because it was an idiom which nobody understood.
Ken
24 May 12, Clive replied:
I think in spiritual terms " mouth" seems to be the outlet for the spirit of the higher one and the inlet for the lower one.
In the material world we take in nourishment through the mouth and we kiss mouth to mouth to express love and we comminicate through it.
I see these corporeal actions as reflections of what happens in the spirit.
Our spiritual mouth could be the sorce of where we take in the light, the nourishment of the soul. the connection of souls I think is called a kiss spiritualy, and as we talk with the mouth I see as a reflection of how the upper communicates with us.
There is this passage from the gospel of Phillip which goes a little way to explain the corporeal kissing is an image of something spiritual.
All who are begotten in the world are begotten in a natural way, and the others are nourished from the place whence they have been born. It is from being promised to the heavenly place that man receives nourishment. [...] him from the mouth. And had the word gone out from that place, it would be nourished from the mouth and it would become perfect. For it is by a kiss that the perfect conceive and give birth. For this reason we also kiss one another. We receive conception from the grace which is in one another.
Clive
In the material world we take in nourishment through the mouth and we kiss mouth to mouth to express love and we comminicate through it.
I see these corporeal actions as reflections of what happens in the spirit.
Our spiritual mouth could be the sorce of where we take in the light, the nourishment of the soul. the connection of souls I think is called a kiss spiritualy, and as we talk with the mouth I see as a reflection of how the upper communicates with us.
There is this passage from the gospel of Phillip which goes a little way to explain the corporeal kissing is an image of something spiritual.
All who are begotten in the world are begotten in a natural way, and the others are nourished from the place whence they have been born. It is from being promised to the heavenly place that man receives nourishment. [...] him from the mouth. And had the word gone out from that place, it would be nourished from the mouth and it would become perfect. For it is by a kiss that the perfect conceive and give birth. For this reason we also kiss one another. We receive conception from the grace which is in one another.
Clive
gnostic ken
Jan 23, 2013, 3:30:29 PM1/23/13
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Fri Jan 18, 2013 3:51 pm, Jerry said:
Taking in and hearing the meaning of what Y'shua says, and doing as he
says, one becomes like the living one.
One's own true being is also the true being of Y'shua, One then see's
and gains mastery over everything since this being is the hidden
residing in everything, and is manifested when we have made eyes to see it.
It is the finding of that which is spoken of in the initial sayings of
the GofThomas that opens one to these secrets and reveals the truth of
what it means to be a Son of the Father with the same being.
The work begins with the admonition not to quit searching until this
being is found. All of Y'shua's words point to the discovery of this,
and the events that fall out around such a one shows the power of this
reality even in this world.
Find the living one here while alive in body, he says, otherwise one
might not be able to find it in the life hereafter. Jerry B
says, one becomes like the living one.
One's own true being is also the true being of Y'shua, One then see's
and gains mastery over everything since this being is the hidden
residing in everything, and is manifested when we have made eyes to see it.
It is the finding of that which is spoken of in the initial sayings of
the GofThomas that opens one to these secrets and reveals the truth of
what it means to be a Son of the Father with the same being.
The work begins with the admonition not to quit searching until this
being is found. All of Y'shua's words point to the discovery of this,
and the events that fall out around such a one shows the power of this
reality even in this world.
Find the living one here while alive in body, he says, otherwise one
might not be able to find it in the life hereafter. Jerry B
Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:19 pm, Oregon George said:
This saying reminds me of the opening lines of "Checkmate," the poem by Jelal
al-Din Rumi, the 13th century Sufi poet and mystic:
"Borrow the beloved's eyes. Look through them and you'll see the beloved's face
everywhere."
(Translated by Coleman Barks.)
To drink from the mouth of Jesus is essentially the same as to think with his
mind and to see with his eyes. It is not merely to listen passively to what he
says. It is to align totally with his vision. Because Jesus is represented
here as someone spiritually enlightened, drinking from his mouth is indeed
equivalent to seeing through the eyes of God and consequently seeing the face of
God in everything.
Again in this saying is the theme of making the two one. He who will drink from
the mouth of Jesus will become like him. Jesus then will become him, not like
him, but him. By implication, Jesus will no longer be Jesus, but one not
limited to Jesus. He who joins with Jesus, likewise, must abandon his own
personal identity, so that neither he nor Jesus exists as a separate self. Such
spiritual joining is not like physical joining in which elements of each
continue to exist. In spiritual joining, nothing of the former self remains.
And, if only for a brief moment, the Christ Self becomes conscious. This Self
is the true Self, the created Son of God, the wholeness of creation. These same
ideas can be seen in GTh 19a and b:
"Jesus said, `Blessed is he who comes into being before he comes into being. If
you become my disciples and listen to my words, these stones will minister to
you."
To come into being before coming into being is to find the Self, the pristine
oneness of creation, which existed before time and which will never die. From
this Self, man dreamed a dream of becoming something else, a separate self in a
separate world. But with the help of Jesus, he can return to his true being, to
his true home. To become his disciple and to surrender to his vision is to
drink from his mouth and to fully realize the oneness to which we all belong.
In that state of awareness, man rules over the all (GTh 2), and even the stones
of the world, being shadows of nothingness, will conform to his will. And
likewise, "all the things that are hidden," that is, the entirety of God's love,
"will be revealed to him." Only when the two become one, can this revelation be
experienced, because oneness is a condition of the Kingdom.
Thank you.
George Duffy
Corvallis, OR
al-Din Rumi, the 13th century Sufi poet and mystic:
"Borrow the beloved's eyes. Look through them and you'll see the beloved's face
everywhere."
(Translated by Coleman Barks.)
To drink from the mouth of Jesus is essentially the same as to think with his
mind and to see with his eyes. It is not merely to listen passively to what he
says. It is to align totally with his vision. Because Jesus is represented
here as someone spiritually enlightened, drinking from his mouth is indeed
equivalent to seeing through the eyes of God and consequently seeing the face of
God in everything.
Again in this saying is the theme of making the two one. He who will drink from
the mouth of Jesus will become like him. Jesus then will become him, not like
him, but him. By implication, Jesus will no longer be Jesus, but one not
limited to Jesus. He who joins with Jesus, likewise, must abandon his own
personal identity, so that neither he nor Jesus exists as a separate self. Such
spiritual joining is not like physical joining in which elements of each
continue to exist. In spiritual joining, nothing of the former self remains.
And, if only for a brief moment, the Christ Self becomes conscious. This Self
is the true Self, the created Son of God, the wholeness of creation. These same
ideas can be seen in GTh 19a and b:
"Jesus said, `Blessed is he who comes into being before he comes into being. If
you become my disciples and listen to my words, these stones will minister to
you."
To come into being before coming into being is to find the Self, the pristine
oneness of creation, which existed before time and which will never die. From
this Self, man dreamed a dream of becoming something else, a separate self in a
separate world. But with the help of Jesus, he can return to his true being, to
his true home. To become his disciple and to surrender to his vision is to
drink from his mouth and to fully realize the oneness to which we all belong.
In that state of awareness, man rules over the all (GTh 2), and even the stones
of the world, being shadows of nothingness, will conform to his will. And
likewise, "all the things that are hidden," that is, the entirety of God's love,
"will be revealed to him." Only when the two become one, can this revelation be
experienced, because oneness is a condition of the Kingdom.
Thank you.
George Duffy
Corvallis, OR
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