Gospel of Thomas Saying 5

[gnostic ken]

(5) Jesus says, "K[now what is be]fore your
face, and [that which is hidden] from you will be reveal[ed to
you. For there i]s nothing hidden which will not [be made]
mani[fest] and (nothing) buried which will not [be raised up]"
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5 Jesus said,
"Know what is in front of your face,
and what is hidden from you will be disclosed to you.

For there is nothing hidden that will not be revealed.
[And there is nothing buried that will not be raised."]
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(5) Jesus said,
"Recognize what is in your sight,
and that which is hidden from you will become plain to you.
For there is nothing hidden which will not become manifest."
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5.) Jesus said:
Know what is before you.
That which is hidden will be revealed.
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5. Y'shua says:
Recognize what is in front of thy face,
and what is hidden from thee shall be revealed to thee.
For there is nothing concealed which shall not be manifest,
(=Mt 10:26)
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(05) Jesus says:
(1) "Come to know what is in front of you,
and that which is hidden from you will become clear to you.
(2) For there is nothing hidden that will not become manifest."

[wer1soul]

Hi Ken

I believe that surrounding us is all the hidden wisdom trying to enter our being but blocked because of our dissimularity to it.

As much as we can become like it or tune ourselves into it, then that much hidden wisdom can enter us.

For me, to know whats in front of our face means to understand the wisdom that is trying to enter. The more we tune in to this wisdom the more there is that can be revealed to us.

There is nothing that wont be revealed if we keep advancing along this path of revellation we will eventually know the all.

Clive.

[gnostic ken]

Hi Clive,

Sometimes I say it is our filters that keep out the information.

Other times I explain it by saying the information is four dimensional and our brains are three dimensional so only distorted 3-d versions of the 4-d information gets through.

BTW, just today I am starting a discussion of our dimensional reality on my new Facebook group Gnostic Reawakening if you are interested.

Ken

[gnostic ken]

Tue Sep 30, 2003 4:13 pm, Roadhouse Jack said:

Jung's more than twenty thick volumes of
probing the psyche are come down to this: He has stated that the
whole process of individuation, with all its labyrinthine twists and
turns and many years of struggle result in one simple achievement:
The ability to see objectively - the ability to "know what is in
front of our face" ! And then, of course, the real world with its
endless stream of miraculous things opens up, what was hidden is
disclosed.
Carry on bravely, Jack

Wed Oct 1, 2003 7:17 am, I said:

Learn arithmetic before worrying about algebra.
Don't worry, algebra and also trigonometry and calculus will be
taught when you are ready for it.

Or:

Don't worry overmuch about what is beyond your understanding.
It will all be revealed when you are ready.

Wed Oct 1, 2003 7:43 am, Jenny said:

Something like the Hero's Journey.

"
We have not even to risk the adventure alone, for the heroes of all time
have gone before us. The labyrinth is thoroughly known. We have only to
follow the thread of the hero path, and where we had thought to find an
abomination, we shall find a god. And where we had thought to slay another,
we shall slay ourselves. Where we had thought to travel outward, we will
come to the center of our own existence. And where we had thought to be
alone, we will be with all the world."
-- Joseph Campbell, The Power of Myth, 1988, p. 123

Sat Nov 8, 2003 5:35 am, P3nn said:

At the level I see this it means that once you understand reality (what is
in front of your face) you will understand all that is within it. The things
hidden are inside of reality.

MP
Penn

Jul 17, 2006 04:19 PDT, Gnostic Tom said:

thoughts...
"as above, so below" say the Wiccans
our lives are but microcosms of a
greater macrocosm,
a smaller holographic image of a Whole Image

mind the gap...
there is a Buddhist meditation
where you simply take a walk,
but you really pay attention to each step
and to what all you encounter along the way,
fully immersed in

"what is in front of your face"

and in the immediacy of the experience
the transcendental will be revealed

"what is hidden from you will be disclosed"

If you take the Gospel of Thomas and the
parallel material between the Gospel of Luke
and the Gospel of Matthew (called "Q") and
look for similiar ideas in other scriptures,
you won't find much from the Jewish texts,
but you find a great dead from the
Buddhist texts. From a purely Jewish context,
Jesus stands out as teaching something new.
From a Buddhist context, Jesus is often seen
as a Buddha when Buddhists are first introduced
to the teachings of Jesus like in the Gospel
of Thomas.

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Thomas Ragland (Gnostic Tom)
"So little time, so much to unlearn."

Jul 17, 2006 14:22 PDT, Gnostic Tom said:

The Didache and other other Christian documents
contain many of the "sayings of Jesus" without
referencing that someone named "Jesus" said them.

In 136 something earthshattering occurred
to the Messianic movement. Simon ben Koshiba was
dead. Jerusalem was renamed Aelia Capitulina in
honour of Emperor Aelius Hadrian. The "abomination
of desolation stood in the holy of holies" in the
form of a statue of Hadrian on a horse. Jews were
forbidden to come within viewing distance of what
was their holy city. All talk of Messianic
speculation halted.

If you wanted to resurrect the dead Messianic
movement in the middle of the second century,
you would need a Messiah/Christ that was bigger
than life, bigger than death, all wise with the
wisest ways of thinking available, still
connected to Jewish prophecies but yet universal,
embracing the Zodialogical references, Stoic and
Cynic detached Buddhist thought with a sense of
Pythagorean purpose, the very Logos of Philo
in our midst ruling a kingdom that was nowhere
and yet everywhere at the same time.

So who was the original speaker of the sayings?
Who was this twin (Thomas) of the Jews (Judas),
this saviour (Jesus) who knew all the secrets
of eternity? If we could travel in time and
space and language and culture and literature
and mythos and sit in the room where the original
for the Gospel of Thomas was being written down
for the first time, or even back to where the
words were spoken for the first time, would we
be in the presense of "historical Jesus"? What
would his/her name be? What would he/she look
like? Jewish? Greek? Roman? Edessean?
Egyptian?

I think someone, lets call him Marcion, in
the second century was wise enough to include
the Buddhist-like sayings material and place it
in the mouth of the God-man teacher. Before that
the "Jesus" of Christianity sounded too much like
Revelations with fire and blood and death.
The sayings material resurrected the concept of
Messiah/Christ to where we today think about
Christianity as an important religion. Without
this, if left to just military hero xenophobia,
Messiah/Christ as a concept would have remained
dead since 136.

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Thomas Ragland (Gnostic Tom)
"So little time, so much to unlearn."

[wer1soul]

Hi Ken

Thanks for the invite to the new discussion on  dimensional reality but I don't think I have much to say on that.

For me, different dimensions are just different states of being, different rings of the onion we pass through as we head from corperality to spirituality, I/E the kingdom of God is right here and the only difference between Gods Kingdom and this world is wether we are in a corrupted state or a corrected state of being.

IMO.

Clive.

[gnostic ken]

Hi Clive,

No problem. I think it could be both.

Ken

[gnostic ken]

Wed Sep 12, 2007 9:38 am, P3nn said:

Wanna know everything? Start with the basics and the rest will come to you ;)

MP
p3nn

Wed Sep 12, 2007 11:17 am, itsallrozee answered P3nn:

yeah, i like that, it's simple.
remember the emperor's new clothes fable? Everyone is so afraid to
say the king is naked, because they've been told only the pure of
heart can see the fine mystical fabric. so everyone wants the other
to think they are pure and innocent, but then a little child points
to the king as he passes in procession and says, "daddy! the king
hasn't got any clothes on!"

Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:07 am, Buddhist Steve said:

I'll let the Zen Buddhist Huang Po express
for me what this logia "says" to me. ( Aw, c'mon, I gotta quote
SOMEBODY cool!): "It is what you see before you! Begin to reason
about it and you will at once fall into error!" Alright, on the
level of practical experience, in connection with this logia, I
would like to briefly discuss the meditative experience of
The Witness. In deep, non-discursive (not reasoning about it!)
meditation, one becomes aware of oneself as pure, undifferentiated
Awareness witnessing sensory perceptions, thoughts arising, ideas
appearing, emotional reactions and so on. At this level of
meditative awareness one comes to realize that the world "out there"
is actually "inside" one's awareness. At this level, one rests in
the Witnessing Awareness which is pure, unchanging Being watching
the phenomenal flux of Becoming (i.e. sense perception, thoughts,
ideas, feelings and emotions). At this level one is at the aeonic
level of what Ptolemy called Mind-and-Truth. This is still dualistic
in that there is The Witness and that which is being witnessed. But
is this the final, true "recognition" of what is "within our sight"?
Not at all! For while some spiritual groups, then and now, stayed at
this level and developed a Dualism of Unchanging Spirit observing
the transient flux of mental/physical phenomena, other mystics were
able to make the non-dual "leap" and realize that Awareness can only
become aware of Itself AS awareness by "projecting" the "world" as
a Reflected Image within Itself. Hence, I am not an ego "inside" my
head looking at a computor screen "outside". Right now, I AM THIS
MOMENT of Steve-looking-at-computor! As Seng T'san put it,
"The object is object for the subject and the subject is subject for
the object. Realize that both rest upon One Emptiness!" When I
"recognize what is in my sight" I Gnow that I AM ALL AND ALL IS IN
ALL! It is the primal intention of Spirit to gnow Itself in All so
that what is hidden will be revealed. IMO.
-Steve

Wed Sep 12, 2007 6:58 pm, Rosalie said:

It reminds me more than a little of "seek and ye shall find." Pay
attention, look for, seek (know what is front of your face) and you may come to
understand even more than just that which is obvious. And I see it as saying
that
there is nothing that is actually unknowable.

Rosalie

Thu Sep 13, 2007 7:32 am, I said:

It reminds me of the 1990s catch phrase "Think outside
the box."

The truth is there if you look at it from a different
direction.

Ken

Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:08 am, P3nn said:

When ya realize there aint no box, no need to think outside it ;)

MP
p3nn

Thu Sep 13, 2007 10:12 am, Buddhist Steve answered P3nn,

Hi Penn. So true, in my opinion! The problem with conceptual
thinking, imo, is that it's function is to construct boxes
where, in fact, there are no boxes. Thinking, as thinking,
can never apprehend the non-dual Unity of What Is. The discursive,
analytic reason functions by fracturing the Unity of Being
into conceptual pieces, comparing and contrasting those pieces
(thereby giving rise to conceptual polarity), labeling them and
storing them away as "name-and-form" in the Storehouse of
Consciousness. The Gospel of Thomas continually returns to
the theme of non-duality, but thinking about (the very word "about"
implies circling around) non-duality is not the same as resting
in the realization of non-duality. In fact, imo, thinking about
it is a sure-fire way of avoiding just resting in it!
-Steve

[gnostic ken]

Today, 1-1-13, I say:

"Know what is front of your face." 

The goal of the Gnostic is to wake up and see what is hidden. The first step in waking up is to open one's eyes. 

Look around you. No faith. Just observe. What is really there?  Is that a tree or is it a spirit with leaves and bark. Ancient myth said it was a tree spirit with leaves and bark. Take a good look. Hummmm. Looks like a tree to me.

Put faith aside and look at the world as it really is.

In our modern world our collective way of observing and trying to understand the world as it really is is called science.  Science doesn't operate by faith. It uses theory, observation and experimentation. 

No faith.

If the theory can't predict results that can be verified by observation and/or experimentation then sooner or later it is discorded no matter how wonderful a theory it is. 

No faith.

So if you want to understand spiritual truths first look at the physical without faith.

Look at What Is.

IMO.