[GMCnet] What should I do without my wife

[lenze middelberg]

My wife, always there when I backup into a camping spot, heared som new noise from the rear. As I thought it would be a good idear to grease the
pins, i lifted the rear and found all 4 wheels loose onthe axels.
I do not remember what the po did to them, but they have been off
My guess is he did not tighten them up properly. They cant go loose by them selv can they ? Does anybode test these regulary ?

Anyway there does not seem to be done any harm, but those nuts were realy loose
--
Appie
eleganza 76 "Olga" ( pictures at http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6489-olga.html
Fulltiming in Europe since july 1 2014
Denmark

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[Billy Massey]

Appie

Shame on you for blaming your poor PO.
There's no excuse for you not checking those a long time before now.

tsk, tsk, tsk .... ;-)
bdub
www.bdub.net/GMCLinks.html

On Oct 14, 2015 4:15 PM, "lenze middelberg" wrote:
>
> My wife, always there when I backup into a camping spot, heared som new
noise from the rear. As I thought it would be a good idear to grease the
> pins, i lifted the rear and found all 4 wheels loose onthe axels.
> I do not remember what the po did to them, but they have been off
> My guess is he did not tighten them up properly. They cant go loose by
them selv can they ? Does anybode test these regulary ?
>
> Anyway there does not seem to be done any harm, but those nuts were realy
loose

[lenze middelberg]

Point taken

There is so much to learn!

--
Appie
eleganza 76 "Olga" ( pictures at http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6489-olga.html
Fulltiming in Europe since july 1 2014
Denmark

[A.]

Time for some thread drift and non-gmc content. What you probably meant was, "What WOULD I do without my wife?"

When you asked, "What SHOULD I do without my wife?"

Lots of ideas: Sit around in your underwear and watch TV. Leave your dirty laundry wherever it hits the floor when you take it off. Pick your nose.
Scratch whatever itches. Have the guys she can't stand over for a card game.

Ahh. Everyone needs a break now and then.
--
'73 23' Sequoia For Sale
'73 23' CanyonLands For Sale
Upper Alabama
There will always be a demand for scapegoats. The job sucks, but the work is steady.

[James Hupy]

For one of the guys who have lost their wives, that lifestyle sucks. Never
been too fond of leaving my underwear on the floor, or dirty dishes in the
sink, or the bed unmade. When the fog of depression lifts enough that you
can function a bit, those kinds of tasks will get you through the day until
you encounter yet another sleepless night. Hope you never have to go
through it.
Jim Hupy (now happily married again)
Salem, Or.
78 GMC ROYALE 403
(THE WAYBACK MACHINE)

[A.]

James Hupy wrote on Wed, 14 October 2015 17:35

> For one of the guys who have lost their wives, that lifestyle sucks. Never been too fond of leaving my underwear on the floor, or dirty dishes in
> the sink, or the bed unmade. When the fog of depression lifts enough that you can function a bit, those kinds of tasks will get you through the day
> until you encounter yet another sleepless night. Hope you never have to go through it.
> Jim Hupy (now happily married again)
> Salem, Or.
> 78 GMC ROYALE 403
> (THE WAYBACK MACHINE

Its not a lifestyle. Its variety. I wouldn't want to live on fast food, but sometimes you just want a drive-thru burger, fries and shake.

[Jim Galbavy]

JimH, I've been down that same lonely road as you and I will second your
remarks. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. ....and like you I am happily
remarried. Oh, and BTW, I learned to go commando while in the Army. ;)

jim galbavy
'73 x-CL ANNIE
Lake Mary, FL

[A.]

Jim Galbavy wrote on Wed, 14 October 2015 19:06

> JimH, I've been down that same lonely road as you and I will second your remarks. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. ....and like you I am
> happily remarried. Oh, and BTW, I learned to go commando while in the Army. ;)
>
> jim galbavy
> '73 x-CL ANNIE
> Lake Mary, FL

Heavy sigh.

Maybe if I had a shop and a workbench I wouldn't spend so much time here, while the TV blares Lifetime and Hallmark drivel at deafening volume.

I am glad you guys don't want a break from your SOs. But I enjoy the few days a year that I am off the leash.

--
'73 23' Sequoia For Sale
'73 23' CanyonLands For Sale
Upper Alabama
There will always be a demand for scapegoats. The job sucks, but the work is steady.

[Jim Galbavy]

No big deal. Ada (my new SO) is also my scuba and golf partner. With
the motorhome see is my co-driver. Only issue is as I drive my coach
65 to 67 mph, she drives 70 to 75 mph while under total control. My issue
is she does it while I'm in the front passenger seat. Don't like that seat.
Oh, and she likes to watch NCIS and CASTLE. OK my me.

jim galbavy
'73 x-CL ANNIE
Lake Mary, FL

[D C _Mac_ Macdonald]

I think Appie made an unfortunate choice of words in a language not his own.

His subject probably should have read "What WOULD I do without my wife?" to reflect his actual meaning.

Neither I nor my wife can imagine how we would or will manage without the other after nearly 55 years of marriage!

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> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 16:59:06 -0600
> To: gmc...@list.gmcnet.org
> From: mar...@netzero.com
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] What should I do without my wife

> >
> James Hupy wrote on Wed, 14 October 2015 17:35
> >> > For one of the guys who have lost their wives, that lifestyle sucks. Never been too fond of leaving my underwear on the floor, or dirty dishes in
> > the sink, or the bed unmade. When the fog of depression lifts enough that you can function a bit, those kinds of tasks will get you through the day
> > until you encounter yet another sleepless night. Hope you never have to go through it.
> > Jim Hupy (now happily married again)
> > Salem, Or.
> > 78 GMC ROYALE 403
> > (THE WAYBACK MACHINE>>
> Its not a lifestyle. Its variety. I wouldn't want to live on fast food, but sometimes you just want a drive-thru burger, fries and shake.
> --
> '73 23' Sequoia For Sale
> '73 23' CanyonLands For Sale
> Upper Alabama

[Carey Bryan]

Hey, appie,

Even though all were equally loose, I am concerned that the play has come from wear or a reseating of the races. If the races were not completely
seated, then the looseness is explained. However, the bearings might have been damaged if they were loose from that cause. I would not want you to
look out the toll window and see a wheel passing you. Maybe tighten up, loosen a bit, put in the cotter pin, and take it soon to a mechanic for
repacking and inspection of the races and bearings. Super loose is not super good. I think because there are four bearings loose, that there was
indeed likelihood of assembly error.

Best,

Carey


--
Carey from Ennis, Texas
78 Royale, 500 Cadillac, Rance Baxter EFI.

[Jim Galbavy]

Carey, we did get a little off of apple's question. Sorry apple.

jim galbavy
'73 x-CL ANNIE
Lake Mary, FL

[lenze middelberg]

No problem. Jim
And yes, as english is not my nativ language, i do make mistakes

I do not have documentation with me, but The rear wheels were taken apart by the po. Disk brakes and 4 bags installed. And pins? Maybe bearings
to? All 4 wheels were loose so I still believe they were not installed the right way.
I still should have checked!

[Kingsley Coach]

Hard to check Everything! <g>
Mike in NS

On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 4:02 AM, lenze middelberg <le...@middelberg.dk>
wrote:

--
Michael Beaton
1977 Kingsley 26-11
1977 Eleganza II 26-3
Antigonish, NS

Life is too short to hold a grudge; slash some tires and call it even !

[Jim Galbavy]

It is hard to check everything but sometimes all that it takes is another
set of eyes and hands on to see it. Hank, Jim B's mechanic was able to
see my problems that I couldn't.

....and apple, you are doing just fine. Keep working the problems. You're
doing ok.

jim galbavy
'73 x-CL ANNIE
Lake Mary, FL

[Johnny Bridges]

And for thopse whose housemates, like Paula, Crank It Up, you can get a set of bluetooth headphones on eBay or Amazon for cheap. Saves a lot of 'turn
it up - turn it down'.

--johnny
--
'76 23' transmode Norris upfit
Braselton, Ga.

"Sometimes I wonder what tomorrow's gonna bring when I think about my dirty life and times" --Warren Zevon

[Carey Bryan]

Appie,

Just a suggestion, here. As a bare minimum, you could remove the wheel and drum off of the spindle of the one you deem the loosest, or requiring the
greatest number of turns to tighten, wipe off spindle, look for wear, grooves, etc. You would have the outer in your hand, wipe it down, look at the
grease for metal particles, look at the bearings themselves for spalling (longitudinal cracks), chips, pockmarks, missing rollers, blue color means
they are heat damaged, (I think), damaged cage. If all OK, and bearing rotates smoothly against its race, then look at the bearing on the back side
in the drum assembly, do the same. If all OK, repack, and ASSUME all four will get you home. If you find bearing or spindle damage, it's better in
the campground than elsewhere. I think you could use the highest quality molybdenum wheel bearing grease you could find, failing Valvoline Synpower,
I think Matt Colie uses. In about two weeks, your fingernails will be grown out enough to get rid of the black under them, unless you can work in
those mechanic's gloves. On reassembly, careful not to damage the seal on the back. Check seal to see if was the wrong one and you got metal to metal
rubbing. Chicago Rawhide is a good one, see Jims.

What does Loffen think? Yes, some mechanics have an attitude about working on old iron. Some attitudes are deep seated. It makes them feel
worthless to work on something beneath them. They just don't give a toss. Or they (hard to believe), don't know how to seat bearing races. Maybe
P.O. ran them up until they spun OK and slapped the pin in, but I find that hard to believe. You never know. It is so true you can't check
everything, but with new engine, new tranny (didn't you get a new tranny?), certainly things are getting narrowed down.

Next question. How is the trip going? Are you having a great time notwithstanding challenges from time to time?

Carey
--
Carey from Ennis, Texas
78 Royale, 500 Cadillac, Rance Baxter EFI.

[Robert Mueller]

Carey,

I'm sorry but I'm going to disagree with you as a bare minimum Appie should remove all four rear wheels, hubs and brake drums,
clean, inspect them all, replace the seals and re-grease them as per the maintenance manual.

If he can't find Valvoline Synpower in Europe he might be able to find Caterpillar Desert Gold which is what I use here in Sydney
because I can't buy Valvoline Synpower here.

Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic

-----Original Message-----
From: Carey Bryan

Appie,

Just a suggestion, here. As a bare minimum, you could remove the wheel and drum off of the spindle of the one you deem the loosest,
or requiring the greatest number of turns to tighten, wipe off spindle, look for wear, grooves, etc. You would have the outer in
your hand, wipe it down, look at the grease for metal particles, look at the bearings themselves for spalling (longitudinal cracks),
chips, pockmarks, missing rollers, blue color means they are heat damaged, (I think), damaged cage. If all OK, and bearing rotates
smoothly against its race, then look at the bearing on the back side in the drum assembly, do the same. If all OK, repack, and
ASSUME all four will get you home. If you find bearing or spindle damage, it's better in the campground than elsewhere. I think
you could use the highest quality molybdenum wheel bearing grease you could find, failing Valvoline Synpower, I think Matt Colie
uses. In about two weeks, your fingernails will be grown out enough to get rid of the black under them, unless you can work in
those mechanic's gloves. On reassembly, careful not to damage the seal on the back. Check seal to see if was the wrong one and you
got metal to metal
rubbing. Chicago Rawhide is a good one, see Jims.

What does Loffen think? Yes, some mechanics have an attitude about working on old iron. Some attitudes are deep seated. It makes
them feel worthless to work on something beneath them. They just don't give a toss. Or they (hard to believe), don't know how to
seat bearing races. Maybe P.O. ran them up until they spun OK and slapped the pin in, but I find that hard to believe. You never
know. It is so true you can't check everything, but with new engine, new tranny (didn't you get a new tranny?), certainly things
are getting narrowed down.

Next question. How is the trip going? Are you having a great time notwithstanding challenges from time to time?

Carey

[John R. Lebetski]

Better too loose than too tight.
--
John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
Source America First

[Matt Colie]

USAussie wrote on Thu, 15 October 2015 18:34

> Carey,
>
> I'm sorry but I'm going to disagree with you as a bare minimum Appie should remove all four rear wheels, hubs and brake drums,
> clean, inspect them all, replace the seals and re-grease them as per the maintenance manual.
>
> If he can't find Valvoline Synpower in Europe he might be able to find Caterpillar Desert Gold which is what I use here in Sydney
> because I can't buy Valvoline Synpower here.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.

I disagree with both of you...
Many times I have been in the position of no help and no parts and wanted to get home.
Appie says that the bearings (I hope that is what you mean Appie.) are very loose. Tapered roller bearing can survive being run loose much better
than being to tight.

If anything is disassembled, that greatly increases the risk of damage to something that he can't easily replace.
So, my suggestion would be, that while he has the tires off the ground, he pull both the inner and outer caps only and give it a look first.
Then, if nothing looks bad, remove the cotter (split) pin and try to tighten the nut that sets the bearing. If it tightens a little and the bearing
feels smooth, then he can back it out to the next place that the pin can go back in. (Appie, remember that there are two drilled holes in the
spindle. You may have to use the other.) If he shakes the top of the wheel in and out, he should be able to feel just a little bit of movement.

Appie, there are a lot of us here that would love to help you, but there is water problem between us. Be sure to let us know how it goes.

Matt


--
Matt & Mary Colie - Members GMCMI, GMCES
'73 Glacier 23 - Still Loving OE Rear Drum Brake with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit

[Carey Bryan]

Matt Colie wrote on Thu, 15 October 2015 18:26

> USAussie wrote on Thu, 15 October 2015 18:34
> > Carey,
> >
> > I'm sorry but I'm going to disagree with you as a bare minimum Appie should remove all four rear wheels, hubs and brake drums,
> > clean, inspect them all, replace the seals and re-grease them as per the maintenance manual.
> >
> > If he can't find Valvoline Synpower in Europe he might be able to find Caterpillar Desert Gold which is what I use here in Sydney
> > because I can't buy Valvoline Synpower here.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Rob M.
>
>
> I disagree with both of you...
> Many times I have been in the position of no help and no parts and wanted to get home.
> Appie says that the bearings (I hope that is what you mean Appie.) are very loose. Tapered roller bearing can survive being run loose much better
> than being to tight.
>
> If anything is disassembled, that greatly increases the risk of damage to something that he can't easily replace.
> So, my suggestion would be, that while he has the tires off the ground, he pull both the inner and outer caps only and give it a look first.
> Then, if nothing looks bad, remove the cotter (split) pin and try to tighten the nut that sets the bearing. If it tightens a little and the
> bearing feels smooth, then he can back it out to the next place that the pin can go back in. (Appie, remember that there are two drilled holes in
> the spindle. You may have to use the other.) If he shakes the top of the wheel in and out, he should be able to feel just a little bit of
> movement.
>
> Appie, there are a lot of us here that would love to help you, but there is water problem between us. Be sure to let us know how it goes.
>
> Matt

I defer to both of you, I lean toward Matt, and think his judgment is certainly more informed than mine. As is Rob's, actually, or most on this
forum. If the bearings roll smoothly when tightened, that would indicate no trouble with cages, spalling, rough bearings, or metal to metal. I like
the idea he can get safely on the road. A belt and suspenders approach is Rob's but may not be feasible under the circumstances with campground rules
of no maintenance, etc. Language differences as well. I think he is in good hands with both of you. Good idea about the Caterpillar lube, Rob.
They can't afford bad lube, as they are used from Africa to Antarctica, wet or dusty and dry, hot or cold. I was thinking of Appie working late at
night, taking the tire and wheel inside the coach so he couldn't be seen working on it, may be an issue. All three of us want you back on the road
with safety. The other comments of better loose than too tight and the roller bearings being more forgiving are all true as well. The factor of what
remaining lube is in the bearings and whether there's any rust in there because the seal might have moved enough to unseat in wet conditions might
well be taken care of by Matt's idea just to remove both dust caps and have a look. I like their advice. Rob's if you can get it done, Matt's if
other considerations apply.

Carey
--
Carey from Ennis, Texas
78 Royale, 500 Cadillac, Rance Baxter EFI.

[lenze middelberg]

Thanks guys, for all the advice.

Iff I was a pedantic mechanic ( wich I am not) had a clean workshop and acces to spareparts. I would do as Robert suggested. The right thing to do
Now as I am more of a bushmechanic and used to keeping things roling in Africa and asia, located on a dusty campsite in Cordoba, with a limmited
amount of tools and no acces to spares I did as Matt suggested. Wheels are roling fine and no more looseness. Did 100 M and they seem fne


As to the trip in general
We now did 9000 M on the new Paterson engine and rebuilt tranny. The engine is going better and better using no oil and about 10 M/g
i only heard the clutch kick in ones when I realy pushef op a mountain. We got let on som realy toght and steep mountain road in France becourse of
roadworks and she did great Letting here drive up in her sweetspot about 2000 rpm Where Paterson put her max torque She hardly warms up
There are all the thngs to learn. All the odd jobs to do, but nothing that realy is a problem
Changed the frnt chockes in Holland have reare chockes ready when I find a way to loosen those bolts. Have frontbushings on the way ( the one thing
that was not done to the front, and hope to find a workshop in Portugal to do those.

Still trying to fin out why my hh batteries are not propperly charged by the alternator
i am loosing 1 volt from front to back wich can hardly be avoided, all connection are cleaned and new ground strippes installeI
It is not a problem as the solar panels are doing fin n sunny south. Just trying to understand

--
Appie
eleganza 76 "Olga" ( pictures at http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6489-olga.html
Fulltiming in Europe since july 1 2014
Denmark