[GMCnet] Energizer Batteries
pete
Sam's Club no longer handles any Trojan batteries and has a 220 AH Energizer 6v for $71.00. The genius managing the department couldn't tell me anything about them or who made them.
Anybody shed any electrons on this?
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Pete
74 Canyon Lands 26' "Emery"
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Rob Allen
petemosss wrote on Tue, 15 December 2009 06:45
> Sam's Club no longer handles any Trojan batteries and has a 220 AH Energizer 6v for $71.00. The genius managing the department couldn't tell me anything about them or who made them.
>
> Anybody shed any electrons on this?
Although I personally prefer TroJan batteries, their cost increase has been very great lately. From what I have been able to tell in reading things from my solar magazine sources, if the weight of the golf cart type battery you are considering is close to that of a Trojan T 105, which is 62 pounds, the capacity will be similar. The heavier the battery, the more capacity, and the lead acid technology is fairly well developed and known, especially in the golf cart, deep cycle battery.
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Rob Allen
'76 x-PB
Dan Gregg
Pete, what Rob said. I just took two 3 year old Energizers out that are still good, even after some abuse on my part. I replaced them with 4 new ones from our local Sam's club. For the price, these are the best thing going. We are headed to Quartzsite very soon and I can give you a better report then.
Dan
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Dan & Teri Gregg
///Halon Automatic Fire Extinguishers
John Wright
I have had the Energizer 6VDC batteries from Sam's Club in the coach
for 2 1/2 years now without problems. At the time Sams was selling 2
different rating of this battery and the higher capacity of the two
was $5 more. Check to be sure that you are getting the higher
capacity unit. Best bang for the buck ! I replaced a set of
Interstate Batteries that lasted for 7 years. Word of wisdom (JMHO)
here is that your charging system will go a long way in determine how
long that your batteries survive. Statpower/Xantrex and Progressive
Dynamics inverter/chargers are define upgrade to the BuzzBox which by
the way makes a good battery charger for the shop or for running yard
lights at home. If you still have it you should consider getting it
out of the coach.
J.R. Wright
Les Burt
My coach is a 75 EL2 with the 26-3 floorplan.
How easily accessible are the body mounting bolts and how/where do I access
the bolt heads from inside the coach? I'll probably cut the old bolts from
underneath but will obviously need to insert new bolts from the top later.
Just thought I'd ask for some guidance to save myself some time and
frustration.
Thanks,
Les Burt
Montreal
Les Burt
they are willing to part with?
I just picked up a set of Toronado CV axles and if the CVJs are good, I
would like to set them up as spares for my GMC.
Thanks,
Les Burt
Montreal
John Wright
I would suggest NOT cutting the bolts if at all possible. They are a
round head style bolt. If your not disassembling the interior of the
coach then they could be a issue to get to and replace without tearing
everything up.
J.R. Wright
> I am about to raise the body off the frame so I can begin my frame
> work.
> My coach is a 75 EL2 with the 26-3 floor-plan.
Rick Denney
> I am about to raise the body off the frame so I can begin my frame work.
> My coach is a 75 EL2 with the 26-3 floorplan.
> How easily accessible are the body mounting bolts and how/where do I access
> the bolt heads from inside the coach? I'll probably cut the old bolts from
> underneath but will obviously need to insert new bolts from the top later.
There are two large bolts in the rear and two in the front. The front
ones are fully accessible from under the coach in the engine
compartment. The rear ones will require you to remove the interior
trim down where the sloped floor meets the rear cap. Here's a picture
of the bolt from the inside of a junk coach--the open space in the
picture is looking out through the (now empty and mostly removed)
generator compartment. The large bolt at left is one of the two body
bolts. As you can see, you need a wrench on the top and another on the
bottom for both removale and reinstallation. I can think of no reason
to cut these--they are bit enough that with sufficient soaking with
Kroil will be able to come loose. A few pictures previously in the
album you'll see that I loosened one of them using a 3/4" ratchet
handle.
Then, there are a number of clips on the underside where the aluminum
floor joists are clipped to the frame. I believe those are all
accessible from underneath. Again, do what you can to avoid having to
ruin the bolts. I would even consider using a casher die to clean off
any visible threads, in addition to the wire brush and Kroil
treatment.
Rick "who has NOT done this, but who HAS removed those four big bolts"
Denney
'73 230 Ex-Glacier "Jaws"
Northern Virginia
Rick Denney
> I am about to raise the body off the frame so I can begin my frame work.
> My coach is a 75 EL2 with the 26-3 floorplan.
Oops, forgot the link to the picture:
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=8897
Rick "who hates it when that happens" Denney
'73 230 Ex-Glacier "Jaws"
Northern Virginia
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Rob Mueller
Contact Micheal Bozardt in Houston if nobody responds.
Regards,
Rob Mueller
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
Rob Mueller
What's a "casher die?" I did a Google search and searched McMaster-Carr but
nothing came up.
Regards,
Rob Mueller
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
Larry Davick
But I did a search for thread cleaning and there are lots of posts about using wire brushes to clean the threads. That got me thinking about my battery brush and how handy it would be to something like that in few different sizes for bolts and nuts. I also have a pipe fitter's brush for copper pipe, but nothing small enough for most of our bolts. If it were an attachment to my drill I could really clean up some threads fast!
Any thoughts?
Larry Davick
The Mystery Machine
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From: "Rob Mueller" <robmu...@iinet.net.au>
To: gmc...@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 1:14:05 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Body mounting bolts
G'day Rick,
What's a "casher die?" I did a Google search and searched McMaster-Carr but
nothing came up.
Regards,
Rob Mueller
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
Dan Gregg
Pete, I did read the tag and it said 220 or 225 ah rating on the batteries. Can't recall which now and it is not on the battery. I had to reset my amp hour meter as I had increased my amperage over 100 ah from what I had with 2 6 volts and a 12 volt. That is not a good combo, by the way.
Dan
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Dan & Teri Gregg
///Halon Automatic Fire Extinguishers
pete
Dan,
Please explain. I have a 1000cca engine and a 125AH 12v deep up front (for non engine cockpit electronics) and was planning on the 2 energizers in back.
I do have separate Guest marine switches on firewall separating front from back deep cycle and engine battery from both deep cycles. I have a 3rd between the engine battery and the start solenoid too. Charging is covered with a PD unit. I called PD early one morning last year and the Plant Mgr. answered the phone and said he had spent 15 yrs in engineering before mfg. job. He said the 12's and the 6's are read by the PD units as one battery and averaged?
Rick Denney
> What's a "casher die?" I did a Google search and searched McMaster-Carr but
> nothing came up.
You can buy a casher die at Harbor Freight. "Will that be casher
credit?"
No? Okay...would you believe...
"chaser die", as in chasing the threads?
Rick "who sometimes has to chase threads all up and down the driveway"
Dan Gregg
Pete, I was told not to mix a 12 volt with the 6 volts but I had a new 12 volt when I got the 6 volts. So, I hooked them all together, paralleled the 6 volts with the 12 volt. It proved to not be a good mix and life of the batteries were certainly shortened. Now, if I had kept them seperate, the 6 and 12, with a combiner I would have been fine. But, I wanted them all together. If you want to use the 12 for a different set of accessories just put a combiner in. What that will do is keep the batteries seperate except when charging, which is fine, as the fella at PD told you. It is like seperating your engine battery from the house batteries except when charging. Now, I have a lawnmower battery for the Onan, 74 model. I have a combiner there so no draw comes from that battery except for starting the Onan. When charge is coming in it will be charged with all of the other batteries. Mine is not charged by the Onan. Our coach is equipped with the PD 45, solar panels, Onan to run th
e PD, and of course we can plug it into ac to run the PD. Any time any of these are present all batteries charge. The charge leaves, the combiner seperates the batteries.
I hope this makes sense. Email me at gregg_dan at hotmail.com if you want.
Dan
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Dan & Teri Gregg
///Halon Automatic Fire Extinguishers
Rob Mueller
Thanks for the chuckle!
Regards,
Rob Mueller
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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Sent: Wednesday, 16 December 2009 9:27 AM
To: Rob Mueller
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Body mounting bolts
MICHAEL FOSTER
Could someone have mispelled? Try "chaser die"
Michael
just a hunch
Larry Davick
From: "Rick Denney" <ri...@rickdenney.com>
To: "Rob Mueller" <gmc...@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 2:26:59 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Body mounting bolts
Jack Gladden
:o Pete Just about everything @ Wallyworld & Sams are made in CHINA
Ken Henderson
regardless of how the letters are arranged? For "casher", try
"chaser". :-)
Ken H.
2009/12/15 Rob Mueller <robmu...@iinet.net.au>:
> G'day Rick,
>
> What's a "casher die?" I did a Google search and searched McMaster-Carr but
> nothing came up.
Matt Colie
Rick Denney wrote on Tue, 15 December 2009 17:26
> Rick "who sometimes has to chase threads all up and down the driveway" Denney
>
> '73 230 Ex-Glacier "Jaws"
> Northern Virginia
I was thinking you would say all over the forum, but you don't do that.
Matt (chuckling at Denny) Colie
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Matt & Mary Colie
'73 Glacier 23 Chaumiere (say show-me-air)
SE Michigan
Matt Colie
Reply to Dan Gregg WD0AFO, Tue, 15 December 2009 17:54
Dan,
Your un-matched battery situation is not at all uncommon. I learned just about everything I know (that actually matters) about lead-acid batteries from two men that were WWII submarine people. Those that survived knew a great deal about how to make batteries work and keep them working.
Even if batteries are the same make and age, banks in parallel will not want to deliver capacity *2.
Banks that are not identical (and they almost never are) cannot be charged effectively in parallel. Banks want to be charged individually.
Paralleled banks will seldom share discharge load evenly. If the banks are left paralleled, the higher density bank will try to recharge the lower density bank and this is not desirable as FLA batteries are about 50% efficient.
Banks should be monitored so that any cell that does not come up to density with the rest can be isolated and brought up to density without harming other cells.
This is just a summary of things learned on long passages a great many years ago.
There are other things I learned that really don't apply like - If the evaporator didn't make water good enough for batteries, it can still be used for drinking water.
That's enough for one night.
Matt
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Matt & Mary Colie
'73 Glacier 23 Chaumiere (say show-me-air)
SE Michigan
Dan Gregg
Matt, as always, you are right on the money. Yall come and go with us to Quartzsite.
Dan
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Dan & Teri Gregg
///Halon Automatic Fire Extinguishers
Steven Ferguson
What are the dates you plan on for Quartszite? Gary Berry is working
on making that a stop on his coastal excursion.
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Steve Ferguson
'76 EII
Sierra Vista, AZ
Urethane bushing source
www.bdub.net/ferguson/
Dan Gregg
Steve, I hope to get there on the 13th and stay til the end of the month, for the car show. That is if Teri will hang around there that long.
dan
Les Burt
OK,
I was aware of the front bolts and the side "CLIPS", It was the rear bolts I
was concerned about as well as the possibility that there were other hidden
bolts that I hadn't noticed when I was last under the coach doing my
inspection.
I want to raise the body while minimizing the interior disassembly since the
interior work is being delayed until next summer once the mechanicals are in
order. Hopefully I can get to the rear bolts without breaking any of the 34
year old plastic.
Les Burt
Montreal
Dan Gregg
Les, you might get better response if you had this in its own category. You have tagged a battery note here and you are not getting full exposure. Just a thought.
Dan
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Dan & Teri Gregg
///Halon Automatic Fire Extinguishers
Les Burt
I was wondering what you ment by that, so I checked the forum to see. Well,
low & behold, the "Energizer battery" topic changes to my "body mount" topic
but still is listed in the forum index under "Energizer battery". I can see
how it could get confusing.
Until now to create a new topic of discussion, I have been selecting an
existing e-mail in my inbox, replying to it , but changing the subject line.
Since I mainly use e-mail to follow this list, everything shows up OK at my
end, but is messed up on the forum. There was a recent discussion on this
topic, but I chose to skim through it without registering much of it's
content.
From now on, I'll start a new topic from scratch so this won't repeat.
Thanks for the heads-up
Les Burt
Montreal
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Les Burt
Montreal
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Montreal
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Dan Gregg
Les, I figured it was something like that. Happens a good bit. Folks don't get the responses sometimes as their question is buried in a thread with a different topic title. Sometimes guys will excerp the question and start a new topic for the guy that did it, and that works. I do not read all of the threads, just the ones that are of particular interest to me, knowing I do miss some interesting things. Hope yall have a Merry Christmas up there.