Tired of Being Confused

[DEP/Dodo]

Issue 1:  I turned on one of our computers that I hadn't used since enabling 2-step verification.  I (properly) couldn't get into Gmail unless I signed in.  (I have created a shortcut on the computer to allow me to go directly into Gmail.  Don't know if this info is helpful to you.)  No problem--provided my password and got my verif. code and instructed not to require codes in the future on this computer.

Then, when I opened the blue-and-white Google icon on my taskbar, I saw I again had to sign in to get into Gmail.  So I again provided my password, got my code, and instructed not to require codes in the future on this computer.  Why did I have to sign into my Google account twice, a few minutes apart?

Issue 2:  When I successfully got into my Gmail via the blue-and-white icon previously mentioned, I typed "d" because it is the shortcut I always use to get full-screen for composing my emails.  However, and this still is the case until I clear it, I received notification a pop-up blocker might be "preventing the application from opening the page."  Further, at the bottom was another message that "Internet Explorer blocked a pop-up from mail.google.com."  I don't understand why IE is involved since Chrome is my default browser, and I opened Gmail via the Google icon previously described on my taskbar.  Also, if I simply click on the Compose bar instead of using the "d" shortcut, I can go right into the composing page and go full-screen from there.  No pop-up blocker.

The subject line of this post says it all for me.  After all my problems and confusion with enabling 2-step verification (approx. 2 weeks' worth) and now these.  I suspect Issue 1 is related to 2-step.

Help (again)!

~Diane

[Kenneth Ayers]

On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 3:47 PM, DEP/Dodo <depf...@gmail.com> wrote:

Issue 1:  I turned on one of our computers that I hadn't used since enabling 2-step verification.  I (properly) couldn't get into Gmail unless I signed in.  (I have created a shortcut on the computer to allow me to go directly into Gmail.  Don't know if this info is helpful to you.)  No problem--provided my password and got my verif. code and instructed not to require codes in the future on this computer.

As has been explained here before, even though the message makes it sound like you won't have to enter codes anymore for that computer, it's really providing an exemption only for that browser on that computer.

 

Then, when I opened the blue-and-white Google icon on my taskbar, I saw I again had to sign in to get into Gmail.  So I again provided my password, got my code, and instructed not to require codes in the future on this computer.  Why did I have to sign into my Google account twice, a few minutes apart

Perhaps this taskbar icon opened up a different browser than the shortcut above.

 

Issue 2:  When I successfully got into my Gmail via the blue-and-white icon previously mentioned, I typed "d" because it is the shortcut I always use to get full-screen for composing my emails.  However, and this still is the case until I clear it, I received notification a pop-up blocker might be "preventing the application from opening the page."  Further, at the bottom was another message that "Internet Explorer blocked a pop-up from mail.google.com."  I don't understand why IE is involved since Chrome is my default browser, and I opened Gmail via the Google icon previously described on my taskbar. 

Sounds like Chrome isn't your default browser on this computer.

 

Also, if I simply click on the Compose bar instead of using the "d" shortcut, I can go right into the composing page and go full-screen from there.  No pop-up blocker.

I guess IE opened a pop-up window in response to d while it doesn't for the compose button.  Perhaps Chrome would behave differently or perhaps you have Chrome's pop-up blocker disabled  Try opening Chrome directly via the Chrome icon and see if it asks to be your default browser.

 

The subject line of this post says it all for me.  After all my problems and confusion with enabling 2-step verification (approx. 2 weeks' worth) and now these.  I suspect Issue 1 is related to 2-step.

Well it does sound like you have two different browsers open somehow.  Perhaps the shortcut or the icon specifies opening the requested page via a specific program rather than just whatever is your default. 

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Regards,

Kenneth

[Marko Vukovic]

On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 12:47 AM, DEP/Dodo <depf...@gmail.com> wrote:

Issue 2:  When I successfully got into my Gmail via the blue-and-white icon previously mentioned, I typed "d" because it is the shortcut I always use to get full-screen for composing my emails.  However, and this still is the case until I clear it, I received notification a pop-up blocker might be "preventing the application from opening the page."  Further, at the bottom was another message that "Internet Explorer blocked a pop-up from mail.google.com."  I don't understand why IE is involved since Chrome is my default browser, and I opened Gmail via the Google icon previously described on my taskbar.  Also, if I simply click on the Compose bar instead of using the "d" shortcut, I can go right into the composing page and go full-screen from there.  No pop-up blocker.

​Sounds to me like your Google shortcut is a shortcut to IE, and not Chrome.

If you click on Compose and then 'full-screen', this is not the same as the 'd' keyboard shortcut, which opens compose in a new browser tab.​

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Marko

[Diane]

Please see below.

On Thursday, July 30, 2015 at 6:21:45 PM UTC-7, justkenneth wrote:

On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 3:47 PM, DEP/Dodo <depf...@gmail.com> wrote:

Issue 1:  I turned on one of our computers that I hadn't used since enabling 2-step verification.  I (properly) couldn't get into Gmail unless I signed in.  (I have created a shortcut on the computer to allow me to go directly into Gmail.  Don't know if this info is helpful to you.)  No problem--provided my password and got my verif. code and instructed not to require codes in the future on this computer.

As has been explained here before, even though the message makes it sound like you won't have to enter codes anymore for that computer, it's really providing an exemption only for that browser on that computer.  

 

Understood, Kenneth.  As I wrote above, no problem.  

 

Then, when I opened the blue-and-white Google icon on my taskbar, I saw I again had to sign in to get into Gmail.  So I again provided my password, got my code, and instructed not to require codes in the future on this computer.  Why did I have to sign into my Google account twice, a few minutes apart

Perhaps this taskbar icon opened up a different browser than the shortcut above.   

 

Dare I ask how this can be?

 

Issue 2:  When I successfully got into my Gmail via the blue-and-white icon previously mentioned, I typed "d" because it is the shortcut I always use to get full-screen for composing my emails.  However, and this still is the case until I clear it, I received notification a pop-up blocker might be "preventing the application from opening the page."  Further, at the bottom was another message that "Internet Explorer blocked a pop-up from mail.google.com."  I don't understand why IE is involved since Chrome is my default browser, and I opened Gmail via the Google icon previously described on my taskbar. 

Sounds like Chrome isn't your default browser on this computer.  

 

But it is.

 

Also, if I simply click on the Compose bar instead of using the "d" shortcut, I can go right into the composing page and go full-screen from there.  No pop-up blocker.

I guess IE opened a pop-up window in response to d while it doesn't for the compose button.  Perhaps Chrome would behave differently or perhaps you have Chrome's pop-up blocker disabled  Try opening Chrome directly via the Chrome icon and see if it asks to be your default browser.  

 

It doesn't ask and I checked settings and confirmed Chrome is my default browser.

 

The subject line of this post says it all for me.  After all my problems and confusion with enabling 2-step verification (approx. 2 weeks' worth) and now these.  I suspect Issue 1 is related to 2-step.

Well it does sound like you have two different browsers open somehow.  Perhaps the shortcut or the icon specifies opening the requested page via a specific program rather than just whatever is your default.  

 

What can I do to ensure these icons open via Chrome?  I thought they did because I use Chrome virtually exclusively.  I guess I'll do some experimenting.

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Regards,

Kenneth

[DEP/Dodo]

It just doesn't end!  I composed a post to Marko's last comment and it wouldn't send.  See 2 attachments.

~Diane

[Diane]

I'm on another computer now.  Just wanted to say that what I had composed in reply to Marko's post is reflected in the first screen shot. So that inability to post wasn't a total failure.  Why couldn't I post?

[Andy]

On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 8:21 AM, Diane <depf...@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm on another computer now.  Just wanted to say that what I had composed in reply to Marko's post is reflected in the first screen shot. So that inability to post wasn't a total failure.  Why couldn't I post?

​I don't know if this is why, but I noticed that when you wrote your reply text, it came within those vertical bars on the left that indicate it is "quoted" text from someone else's post or message.

Perhaps Google Groups saw that every line in your post was preceded by the "quote" vertical line, and figured you had written no content of your own.

The only thing that differentiates your text from what you replied to, was that you wrote it in bold.  It's generally a good idea (IMHO) to separate your own text from the text you are replying to ... as I have done here.  There are no vertical lines to the left of what I wrote.  When you write your reply by tacking it directly onto the end of someone else's paragraph, it's confusing.

Anyway, you are asking about a Google Groups problem, not about Gmail.

Andy

[Marko Vukovic]

​Hey Diane

See below, you will see two vertical bars, with your and Andy's reply. This displays two levels of quoting.​

On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 6:18 PM, Andy <AI.e...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 8:21 AM, Diane <depf...@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm on another computer now.  Just wanted to say that what I had composed in reply to Marko's post is reflected in the first screen shot. So that inability to post wasn't a total failure.  Why couldn't I post?

​I don't know if this is why, but I noticed that when you wrote your reply text, it came within those vertical bars on the left that indicate it is "quoted" text from someone else's post or message.

​The easiest way to do this is to select the text that you wish to quote, in Gmail, and then hit the reply button. The reply will be generated with only the quoted text and then you can intersperse your replies within that. ​

​Cheers​

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Marko

[Andy]

On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 2:20 PM, Marko Vukovic <marko....@gmail.com> wrote:

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​The easiest way to do this is to select the text that you wish to quote, in Gmail, and then hit the reply button. The reply will be generated with only the quoted text and then you can intersperse your replies within that. ​

​Diane doesn't use Gmail for those replies.  She replied from the Google Groups​ webpages.

I don't do that, but there might be something similar in Google Groups.

In any event, whenever I reply to something, I first hit the Enter key a couple of times before I type, to separate my reply from the original text.  I think she isn't doing that.

Andy

[DEP/Dodo]

Thanks, Andy.  I didn't notice the vertical lines.  That time, I was replying via the group's site where, until now, I never had a problem.  Of course, here in Gmail, there are no vertical lines to be an issue.  

~Diane

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[DEP/Dodo]

On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 12:16 PM, Andy <AI.e...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 2:20 PM, Marko Vukovic <marko....@gmail.com> wrote:

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​The easiest way to do this is to select the text that you wish to quote, in Gmail, and then hit the reply button. The reply will be generated with only the quoted text and then you can intersperse your replies within that. ​

​

 

Yes, I do this (select text, etc.) routinely with personal messages, but as I just mentioned in a previous post and as Andy pointed out, I was using Gmail User's site that particular time. ​   

​Diane doesn't use Gmail for those replies.  She replied from the Google Groups​ webpages.

I don't do that, but there might be something similar in Google Groups.

​  ​

In any event, whenever I reply to something, I first hit the Enter key a couple of times before I type, to separate my reply from the original text.  I think she isn't doing that.

​I'm doing it here, Andy.  But I typically begin my response right after the other person's as just above with Marko.  I either let it start right there, immediately after the last word ("that" in Marko's) or I hit Enter so that my text is immediately under the other person's as I did with Marko's comment.  I have used bold for further differentiation.   Replying in this way (here) is foreign to me.  I guess "my" way works in Gmail but not on the group's site.  Certainly it didn't work that one time.  I wonder why I've had no problems before this incident.  

~Diane

[DEP/Dodo]

Correction:  There are no vertical lines if I reply only at the top of my message, both in Gmail and at the groups's site.

BTW. Andy, I see this as a Gmail issue.

~Diane

[Marko Vukovic]

On Sat, Aug 1, 2015 at 12:47 AM, DEP/Dodo <depf...@gmail.com> wrote:

Correction:  There are no vertical lines if I reply only at the top of my message, both in Gmail and at the groups's site.

​The quotes are always there, just hidden underneath the ellipsis...​

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Marko

[Andy]

On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 6:47 PM, DEP/Dodo <depf...@gmail.com> wrote:

Correction:  There are no vertical lines if I reply only at the top of my message, both in Gmail and at the groups's site.

You are a "top poster".  At least in Gmail.  You type your replies above the text that it is a reply to.

There are Internet 'wars' about top-posting versus bottom-posting.  Top-posting has the advantage that you can ignore the old previous text that the sender didn't bother to delete.  But it requires you to read the entire message from the bottom to the top.​  (Actually, you need to start somewhere in the middle, read down, then jump up, read down again ... and so on until you reach the top.)  Bottom-posting reads from the top to the bottom, which is how I was taught to read when I was in school.  (Would you believe, bottom-posting is actually banned in some forums?)

If you had clicked on the ellipsis (little box with three dots in the lower left corner), you would have seen the message text you are replying to, complete with those vertical lines.  You even could have written your reply text among them.  Like I am doing now.

BTW. Andy, I see this as a Gmail issue.

​Why?  It happened in Google Groups, due to the way Google Groups works when you post a reply in Google Groups.  It had nothing to do with Gmail.

The fact that it was a Google Group about the subject of Gmail users is irrelevant.  It could have been a Google Group about red-wing blackbirds.

Andy

[DEP/Dodo]

​I really don't understand what you wrote, Andy.  Yes, it was a Google Group, the Gmail Users Google Group.  That has nothing to do with Gmail??

[DEP/Dodo]

I always click on the ellipsis section to show the content that was trimmed.  And, yes, I do reply in the manner I described in a previous post.  It hasn't seemed to be problematic in Gmail, and, until this one incident, I have had no problems on the Group's site, whether I responded immediately after the other person's comment or skipped a line or two within his/her verticals.  I did it that way so my comments would address immediately what the other person wrote rather than be at the top and away from the actual statement.  Essentially, I was doing the same thing you are below but in "violation" of the vertical lines ("vertical violation"?)

I am going to be more mindful of this.  Apparently, I'm notified when I am told to the effect that no text showed--or whatever the wording was that I saw.  Otherwise, it seems to be okay.  

~Diane

[Marko Vukovic]

On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 9:44 AM, DEP/Dodo <depf...@gmail.com> wrote:

I really don't understand what you wrote, Andy.  Yes, it was a Google Group, the Gmail Users Google Group.  That has nothing to do with Gmail??

​I think Andy's point is that the 'issue' occurs in the Groups interface and not in Gmail. So from that perspective, it has nothing to do with Gmail. ​

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Marko

[Diane]

Why am I getting these additional lines if I click within a post?  What is their purpose?  See screen shot please.

~Diane

On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 1:15:51 AM UTC-7, Diane wrote:

I always click on the ellipsis section to show the content that was trimmed.  And, yes, I do reply in the manner I described in a previous post.  It hasn't seemed to be problematic in Gmail, and, until this one incident, I have had no problems on the Group's site, whether I responded immediately after the other person's comment or skipped a line or two within his/her verticals.  I did it that way so my comments would address immediately what the other person wrote rather than be at the top and away from the actual statement.  Essentially, I was doing the same thing you are below but in "violation" of the vertical lines ("vertical violation"?)

I am going to be more mindful of this.  Apparently, I'm notified when I am told to the effect that no text showed--or whatever the wording was that I saw.  Otherwise, it seems to be okay.  

~Diane

On Sat, Aug 1, 2015 at 12:20 PM, Andy wrote:

[Diane]

Thanks, Marko.  That makes more sense to me.  

[Diane]

Oops!  Not a Gmail issue.

[Marko Vukovic]

On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 10:54 AM, Diane <depf...@gmail.com> wrote:

Why am I getting these additional lines if I click within a post?  What is their purpose?  See screen shot please.

​The blue line on the left indicates that you have selected that post (by clicking on it).  ​

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Marko

[DEP/Dodo]

But I wasn't in the posting window (or whatever it's called).  I got these particular lines when I clicked within someone's post, not when I clicked the post arrow.  I cleared those same lines by clicking again anywhere not within the message text.  It happened accidentally the first time, but I have been able to duplicate it so I could describe it.  Just wondered if a purpose is served by those particular lines.

[Marko Vukovic]

On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 11:35 AM, DEP/Dodo <depf...@gmail.com> wrote:

But I wasn't in the posting window (or whatever it's called).  I got these particular lines when I clicked within someone's post, not when I clicked the post arrow.  I cleared those same lines by clicking again anywhere not within the message text.  It happened accidentally the first time, but I have been able to duplicate it so I could describe it.  Just wondered if a purpose is served by those particular lines.

​This is simply showing you that you have selected that post.​

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Marko

[Jeff Grossman]

Diane,
I think what Andy was saying is the problem you were talking about had to do with the way replies are handled in the Google Groups system works.  This mailing list is for Gmail related issues not Google Groups issues.

Jeff